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(Daily Mail)   Missouri lawyer couple who brandished an AR-15 and a handgun at protesters now say the protesters broke down their mansion gate and claim they were 'in fear of our lives' and were told they 'would be killed'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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6 days ago  
Boogaloo story
 
6 days ago  

The Irresponsible Captain: They didn't bring guillotines. This time.


And some people told me that the guillotines thing did not apply. Here you go. A Farker saying next time there will be guillotines....
 
6 days ago  

js34603: .

Private property is like, a myth anyway. You can't own property man, if these racial justice freedom fighters want to protest in your yard, it is your duty and obligation as an ally to run inside and lock yourself up and hope they don't need to destroy anything of yours to achieve racial equality.


Right?
Once you kill all the brown people on land it's your land forever.
 
6 days ago  

js34603: I don't believe them at all. There's no way peaceful protestors like these would ever damage property or threaten people.

Unless it turns out they did damage properly and threaten people. In which case, those people deserved it for being white and rich.


Racism and classism are A-OK on Fark.

Change either adjective and see how long a time out is.
 
6 days ago  

Rhyno45: pedrop357: Other than some shiatty trigger discipline, they did nothing wrong.

Wow. Poor trigger discipline with a cell phone has killed how many unarmed people without consequence? How many range accidents killed people because of poor firearm control and trigger discipline? They are lethal instruments and waving them around is an immediate lethal threat. A cop would have shot them instantly if it was in their direction. So yeah, they did nothing wrong other than endanger everyone in front of the muzzle of that gun with potential instant death.


Remember that kid who accidentally killed her instructor by holding down the trigger?  Not really a trigger discipline thing, but truly farked up, none the less.
 
6 days ago  

I_told_you_so: This is one of those two wrongs situations. Protesters are not entitled to go on private property and threaten residents just by their numbers, and the home owners shouldn't be brandishing firearms. I can't necessarily fault the home owners.


Didn't a Lady to get in trouble for firing a warning shot?

You can shoot someone who's trespassing on your property.
shooting a trespasser is not the same thing as firing a warning shot or brandishing a firearm.

But your mileage may vary depending on how much Justice  is afforded you  by the justice system
 
6 days ago  

WastrelWay: You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want.


Section 571.030, Revised Statutes of Missouri, A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:

(4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or
 
6 days ago  

Megathuma: Cythraul: Megathuma: They reference the storming of the Bastille, casting themselves as the wealthy monarchy finally being targeted for abusing the rest of their society.
They are *almost* self-aware.

Also, their story?

[Fark user image image 254x254]

Storming the Bastille?   Wasn't that place a prison? So... their mansion is a prison?

You be the judge, I guess. Looks more like a posh private mental institution to me.


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Doesn't look very Prison / Fortess like to me.  A better comparison they could have used would have been the march on Versailles.

Stupid rich people, not knowing their history.
 
6 days ago  
outside their $1.5million mansion in to a well-to-do St. Louis neighborhood.

Police said Monday that the McCloskeys would not be charged


The American justice system in a nutshell, folks.
 
6 days ago  

cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

[Fark user image image 850x686]

The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.


Look at that damage. The fence gave quicker than the lock?
LOL.
 
6 days ago  

MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x686]
You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
[Fark user image 850x566]
It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.


Ah, exactly what I was wondering.  So it is actually a community gate.

The way the woman was pointing her gun at people was absolutely against all firearm safety rules.  At the very minimum she should lose her license for that.  Someone could have easily been killed.  FFS, it's not a pointing device.  He wasn't much better.  If he'd have accidentally shot his wife this would have been something special.  So 2020.
 
6 days ago  

Mock26: WastrelWay: You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want.

Section 571.030, Revised Statutes of Missouri, A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:

(4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or


Check the other provisions and castle doctrine and stand your ground and "reasonable person in fear of their life" loophole...

Pretty sure no charges will be filed other than for the rioters and trespassers.
 
6 days ago  

State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.


Oh look, a liar...back from the dead.
 
6 days ago  

NephilimNexus: outside their $1.5million mansion in to a well-to-do St. Louis neighborhood.

Police said Monday that the McCloskeys would not be charged

The American justice system in a nutshell, folks.


Break no laws, have/be a lawyer, don't get charged?

/the 2nd part helps, but isn't generally required
 
6 days ago  
They better have some proof that they were facing imminent danger as that in most states brandishing a weapon without cause is a felony.

Wait, they are from Missouri? Nevermind, they should have gone ahead and started shooting just for the sport of it.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

PaulRB: Somebody actually pays these people to be lawyers?



Not anymore.
 
6 days ago  
Also, I'd like to add: for as much as people insist that the proliferation in guns in America are to deter tyranny, it's sure weird how the only ones with guns in this story are the wealthy socialites that likened themselves to French nobility in the French revolution, brandishing them at protestors marching upon their mayor's house.
 
6 days ago  

MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x686]
You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
[Fark user image image 850x566]
It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.


So...stay inside and let them come in or destroy your property from the outside? Is that your advice?
 
6 days ago  
 
6 days ago  

vrax: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x686]
You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
[Fark user image 850x566]
It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

Ah, exactly what I was wondering.  So it is actually a community gate.

The way the woman was pointing her gun at people was absolutely against all firearm safety rules.  At the very minimum she should lose her license for that.  Someone could have easily been killed.  FFS, it's not a pointing device.  He wasn't much better.  If he'd have accidentally shot his wife this would have been something special.  So 2020.


License? Where do you live where your need a license to own or possess a gun?
 
6 days ago  

pedrop357: Other than some shiatty trigger discipline, they did nothing wrong.


They did nothing right, either.
 
6 days ago  

Skleenar: Seen in the background of the patriots' stand against tyranny


A pitcher of iced tea?
 
6 days ago  

Mrtraveler01: js34603: yohohogreengiant: Megathuma: They reference the storming of the Bastille, casting themselves as the wealthy monarchy finally being targeted for abusing the rest of their society.
They are *almost* self-aware.

Also, their story?

[Fark user image image 254x254]

They are quite self aware. If they had really felt endangered they would have fled or locked themselves inside. Had the "mob" armed they would have died right there on their farking mansion.

They knew they were safe. They knew they could pull this shiat.

Private property is like, a myth anyway. You can't own property man, if these racial justice freedom fighters want to protest in your yard, it is your duty and obligation as an ally to run inside and lock yourself up and hope they don't need to destroy anything of yours to achieve racial equality.

Except they didn't protest in their yard, they protested on the sidewalk.


Not according to the video. The protesters were actually in the yard.

The couple are seen in front of their front door, which is about one hundred feet and 90 degrees from the wall separating the property from the street.
 
6 days ago  

waxbeans: cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

[Fark user image image 850x686]

The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.

Look at that damage. The fence gave quicker than the lock?
LOL.


I'm assuming the gate was open when the damage was done. Otherwise, both sides would be wrecked.
 
6 days ago  
These are rank amateurs compared to the tort centered successful law firm of Westboro Baptist.  The business model is to incite people, through outrageously insensitive acts and communication to strike back at them.

Also, they could probably use some diet discipline since the covid 19 really likes the fatties.
 
6 days ago  

Boojum2k: Mrtraveler01: js34603: yohohogreengiant: Megathuma: They reference the storming of the Bastille, casting themselves as the wealthy monarchy finally being targeted for abusing the rest of their society.
They are *almost* self-aware.

Also, their story?

[Fark user image image 254x254]

They are quite self aware. If they had really felt endangered they would have fled or locked themselves inside. Had the "mob" armed they would have died right there on their farking mansion.

They knew they were safe. They knew they could pull this shiat.

Private property is like, a myth anyway. You can't own property man, if these racial justice freedom fighters want to protest in your yard, it is your duty and obligation as an ally to run inside and lock yourself up and hope they don't need to destroy anything of yours to achieve racial equality.

Except they didn't protest in their yard, they protested on the sidewalk.

Not according to the video. The protesters were actually in the yard.

The couple are seen in front of their front door, which is about one hundred feet and 90 degrees from the wall separating the property from the street.


See, but this doesn't matter to the spickle-flecked posters in this thread. None of it matters as one person said because they're rich and white.
 
6 days ago  

quiotu: I had to check to see what exactly Missouri's gun laws were. Honestly I wasn't sure what I was expecting, Missouri's gun laws are pretty much nonexistent other than 'buy and own and conceal whatever you want within federal guidelines'.

It doesn't paint a better picture that these two look like they forgot their zombie apocalypse cosplay. If they were holding the guns any worse, they'd be pointing them at each other.


(4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner;


*571.030.  Unlawful use of weapons
 
6 days ago  

State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.


GATE LIVES MATTER.

If the protesters weren't murderous thugs intent on pillage, they would have opened the gate like these polite people:

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6 days ago  

NephilimNexus: outside their $1.5million mansion in to a well-to-do St. Louis neighborhood.

Police said Monday that the McCloskeys would not be charged

The American justice system in a nutshell, folks.


Holy shiat!  I cannot believe that place is so cheap.  If you moved that here to Palo Alto it would be like $10-20m.
 
6 days ago  

vrax: cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

[Fark user image 850x686]

The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.

Was that a community gate or was that a gate that directly accesses their property?  Do we know?


Zimmerman and Martin know
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x686]
You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
[Fark user image image 850x566]
It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

So...stay inside and let them come in or destroy your property from the outside? Is that your advice?


YES.

Oh my Dog, how is running outside to meet a bunch of protestors that you think mean you harm--they didn't--not an incredibly bad idea?

If the protestors were there to do damage--they didn't--the home owners are millionaires. They could easily replace facades and resod their lawns. I know this, because they've owned the house since the 80s and they're well-known in the area for having previously restored the house.

You can replace windows. You can't replace a life.

At any rate, if the protestors had broken inside--again, they didn't--then sure... By all means, get your guns. But as I've reiterated numerous times already, that didn't happen, so them running outside with their guns was a really, really, really dumb thing to do.
 
6 days ago  

State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.


🤔🧐😯🙄
 
6 days ago  
WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?
 
6 days ago  

waxbeans: cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

[Fark user image image 850x686]

The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.

Look at that damage. The fence gave quicker than the lock?
LOL.


Also, as I already said, apparently the entire crowd also hopped over the broken gate one at a time.

But has already been stated, there is video of them going through an unbroken gate.
 
6 days ago  

MattytheMouse: ColonelCathcart: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x686]
You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
[Fark user image image 850x566]
It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

So...stay inside and let them come in or destroy your property from the outside? Is that your advice?

YES.

Oh my Dog, how is running outside to meet a bunch of protestors that you think mean you harm--they didn't--not an incredibly bad idea?

If the protestors were there to do damage--they didn't--the home owners are millionaires. They could easily replace facades and resod their lawns. I know this, because they've owned the house since the 80s and they're well-known in the area for having previously restored the house.

You can replace windows. You can't replace a life.

At any rate, if the protestors had broken inside--again, they didn't--then sure... By all means, get your guns. But as I've reiterated numerous times already, that didn't happen, so them running outside with their guns was a really, really, really dumb thing to do.


Waiting for a mob to break in is a terrible idea from a tactical perspective. You have no visibility or control over the situation once they are inside.

I'm sorry, but I have to politely disagree with the waiting part.

I do agree that pulling out a weapon is a bad idea, but it's way worse to let something bad happen.

/never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers and it only takes one idiot to make a mob of people violent
//this applies to *all* mobs
 
6 days ago  

Fireproof: waxbeans: cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

[Fark user image image 850x686]

The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.

Look at that damage. The fence gave quicker than the lock?
LOL.

Also, as I already said, apparently the entire crowd also hopped over the broken gate one at a time.

But has already been stated, there is video of them going through an unbroken gate.


Sounds like trespassing either way.
 
6 days ago  

Skleenar: State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.

GATE LIVES MATTER.

If the protesters weren't murderous thugs intent on pillage, they would have opened the gate like these polite people:

[Fark user image 850x477]


Okay, now that's interesting. When did this:
Fark user imageView Full Size


Become this:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
6 days ago  

Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[Fark user image 850x686]

Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

[Fark user image 850x477]

If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?


Of course, there is the possibility that some protesters broke the gate on the way out, as petty revenge for getting an AR and a Walther pulled on them by pink grimace and Hamburgler's girlfriend.
 
6 days ago  
$1.5 million?  That's a 3 bedroom townhouse around here...
 
6 days ago  

vrax: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x686]
You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
[Fark user image 850x566]
It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

Ah, exactly what I was wondering.  So it is actually a community gate.

The way the woman was pointing her gun at people was absolutely against all firearm safety rules.  At the very minimum she should lose her license for that.  Someone could have easily been killed.  FFS, it's not a pointing device.  He wasn't much better.  If he'd have accidentally shot his wife this would have been something special.  So 2020.


Hahaha, license.
 
6 days ago  
<p><BLOCKQUOTE>Holy shiat!  I cannot believe that place is so cheap.</BLOCKQUOTE></p><p> </p>
Have you ever been to StLouis? That's an asperational price.
 
6 days ago  
I reiterate: the protest was headed to the mayor's house.

The mayor lives in a gated area. That, alone, tells you something about them.

No, these idiot need to be arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, because they *did* point them.
 
6 days ago  

MattytheMouse: Skleenar: State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.

GATE LIVES MATTER.

If the protesters weren't murderous thugs intent on pillage, they would have opened the gate like these polite people:

[Fark user image 850x477]

Okay, now that's interesting. When did this:
[Fark user image image 850x477]

Become this:

[Fark user image image 850x686]


Ya that is suspicious, and considering they are grifting ambulance chasers...I wouldn't put it past them to play up the story.
 
6 days ago  
i just can't get over the lady being barefoot.

i HATE wearing shoes. now that i live in FL and don't deal with snow i NEVER wear shoes unless i'm in a public business where it's required/polite to do so. i run and exercise without shoes. i pick beach bars/restaurants for dinner based on if they require shoes...

BUT if i'm expecting a tornado, or fleeing a hurricane, or hiking in the jungle around venomous snakes, i damn sure wear shoes. sturdy, thick-soled boots even.

if these assholes sincerely thought they were seconds away from needing to literally kill other people, and physically run for their very lives over uncertain terrain, she would DEFINITELY have put on shoes. and not strappy sandals or heels either.

being barefoot proves she was just cosplaying as a tough old broad. and doing a VERY shiatty job of it.
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: I do agree that pulling out a weapon is a bad idea, but it's way worse to let something bad happen.


Well, in this case, they may be disbarred and are being investigated for assault, so i'd say something bad did happen.  Because they were frightened idiots.
 
6 days ago  
Meanwhile, in a galaxy far far away.....

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
6 days ago  

State_College_Arsonist: That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.


Protip: If you have n bullets, as long as there are at least n+1 determined mob members, your ass is grass.
 
6 days ago  
Sounds like bullshiat that they're trying to use to counter the fact that they should be charged with several hundred counts of brandishing and assault with a deadly weapon.
 
6 days ago  

Skleenar: ColonelCathcart: I do agree that pulling out a weapon is a bad idea, but it's way worse to let something bad happen.

Well, in this case, they may be disbarred and are being investigated for assault, so i'd say something bad did happen.  Because they were frightened idiots.


Bad idea is not illegal.

Disbarred for what exactly? Being frightened assholes? That's not illegal.

Pretty sure you gotta do something illegal related to your job, or a serious crime unrelated to your job.
 
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