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(MSN)   Nation's most populous county, L.A. County issues dire warning that things are deteriorating very rapidly after "alarming increases" in coronavirus cases. States that did not act so stupidly say: Good luck, we're all counting on you   (msn.com) divider line
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2020-06-29 9:55:00 PM  
Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.

As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.


Since its 2020, prepare for another pandemic folks.
 
2020-06-29 9:55:10 PM  
It's a good thing Randy Newman didn't live to see this.
 
2020-06-29 9:55:15 PM  
States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.
 
2020-06-29 10:00:24 PM  
Subby, it almost sounds like you don't like California very much.  Almost.
 
2020-06-29 10:00:37 PM  
with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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2020-06-29 10:03:13 PM  
Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.
 
2020-06-29 10:04:24 PM  
Ca.has been averaging 5-6000 new cases a day for about a week .. 2 weeks from now is going to be brutal ..
 
2020-06-29 10:05:25 PM  

lolmao500: Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.

As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.

Since its 2020, prepare for another pandemic folks.


It was October that the 1918 flu mutation became seriously lethal
 
2020-06-29 10:06:44 PM  
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2020-06-29 10:06:44 PM  

robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.


Two weeks ago was when The Donald declared that the virus was over and we could all go back to normal. June 15th.
 
2020-06-29 10:08:32 PM  

robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.


Protests, rioting, bars opening, summer, young people doing the pokey poke with random strangers...
 
2020-06-29 10:09:30 PM  

lolmao500: Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


The good news is that we already know how to avoid a flu pandemic - by doing all of the same stuff that we're supposed to be doing to avoid COVID-19 (masks, limited social interaction, physical distance, frequent hand washing, etc).
 
2020-06-29 10:12:46 PM  

Summercat: (especially compared to Republican led states)?


For best results do NOT check how Oregon is faring just now
 
2020-06-29 10:13:59 PM  

lolmao500: Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.

As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.

Since its 2020, prepare for another pandemic folks.


At least the Branch Covidians will actually be kinda right when they say that one is "just like the flu," or some nonsense. They'll just be saying it without awareness of how bad an unchecked flu can truly be.
 
2020-06-29 10:14:09 PM  
Again, I know I've said this before...

I think we've pretty much reached that point where you just drop what you are doing, laughing or weeping, or both...  because you've realized the sheer futility of it.

You know you've seen that look on someone's face before...
 
2020-06-29 10:14:58 PM  

NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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So what?  Appeal to emotions or something with an invalid comparison
 
2020-06-29 10:16:21 PM  
California could certainly do better, but there are 30 states with more cases per capita. We're the largest state, with 50% more people than the next most populous state (Texas), so we'll always have high raw numbers.
 
2020-06-29 10:16:39 PM  
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2020-06-29 10:19:05 PM  

DippityDoo: [Fark user image 425x319] Everything's fine  Nothing's farked here man


I would sooner believe that White Russian cocktails are the cure to coronavirus than whatever injecting bleach nonsense the president espouses. Plus, they're damn tasty. Needs more Kahlua
 
2020-06-29 10:19:55 PM  

mofa: California could certainly do better, but there are 30 states with more cases per capita. We're the largest state, with 50% more people than the next most populous state (Texas), so we'll always have high raw numbers.


Oh you, with your accurate and relevant numbers. Why must you impede Subby's California hate-boner? So rude.
 
2020-06-29 10:20:27 PM  
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2020-06-29 10:23:55 PM  

mikaloyd: Summercat: (especially compared to Republican led states)?

For best results do NOT check how Oregon is faring just now


I give it 2 weeks until most of the state's population is back to shutdown.

Masks were just made mandatory.
 
2020-06-29 10:24:42 PM  
What states are those, subby?
 
2020-06-29 10:34:33 PM  

mudesi: What states are those, subby?


Yeah, I'm confused, we were among the first and trust me, living here was dystopian for a while there...  I almost had to leave because I couldn't take it here in the city.
 
2020-06-29 10:36:59 PM  
I just want to say that I really like the graphs in the article.

The first couple of metrics didn't start at zero, but the graph did.

Good work LA Times.

Modern trash news would have cut the first graph into two, one with the first chunk starting at 400 and ending at 600 with a lot of unnumbered points on the Y axis, and the second starting at 350.
 
2020-06-29 10:39:48 PM  
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2020-06-29 10:42:46 PM  

dyhchong: I just want to say that I really like the graphs in the article.

The first couple of metrics didn't start at zero, but the graph did.

Good work LA Times.

Modern trash news would have cut the first graph into two, one with the first chunk starting at 400 and ending at 600 with a lot of unnumbered points on the Y axis, and the second starting at 350.



Almost* (not all) of the major news outlets (print, TV, etc)  have shiatty graphs made by business dorks who don't understand anything about math or science but have a license for Tableau.  The best was that guy for ft.com digital who made a simple linear regression with multiple observations of the dependent variable at the same value of the independent variable.

I've tried on social media to get my per capita chart to get traction, to no avail. It's too busy and complicated for joe 6 pack and his/her generic excel experiences.
 
2020-06-29 10:45:59 PM  

robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.


I know what happened 2 weeks ago.
 
2020-06-29 10:46:11 PM  

Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.


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2020-06-29 10:48:36 PM  

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2020-06-29 10:50:21 PM  

mofa: California could certainly do better, but there are 30 states with more cases per capita. We're the largest state, with 50% more people than the next most populous state (Texas) with the most idiots, so we'll always have high raw numbers.


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2020-06-29 10:54:22 PM  

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2020-06-29 10:58:12 PM  
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2020-06-29 10:58:28 PM  
However, since I'm that guy (I even wear masks when alone in my car in case any children see me, so they can ask their parents why they aren't wearing their masks), I walked a bit before sunrise and watered my lawn; otherwise I stayed inside all day (ditto over the weekend). I'm totally avoiding humans.

Still, Merced County is using 100% of their ICU beds, whereas Los Angeles shows 37%. I don't know why the LA Times is showing approx 95% used on their predictions/"actuals," other than to note that they're counting only "ICU planned capacity without activation of alternative ICU locations or staffing." Maybe that's where the 95% turns into the more likely 37%.

fark these jerkwads. I've analyzed radar data for 32 years. I have problems with their numbers. I'll have to check back in later.
 
2020-06-29 11:09:49 PM  

mofa: However, since I'm that guy (I even wear masks when alone in my car in case any children see me, so they can ask their parents why they aren't wearing their masks), I walked a bit before sunrise and watered my lawn; otherwise I stayed inside all day (ditto over the weekend). I'm totally avoiding humans.

Still, Merced County is using 100% of their ICU beds, whereas Los Angeles shows 37%. I don't know why the LA Times is showing approx 95% used on their predictions/"actuals," other than to note that they're counting only "ICU planned capacity without activation of alternative ICU locations or staffing." Maybe that's where the 95% turns into the more likely 37%.

fark these jerkwads. I've analyzed radar data for 32 years. I have problems with their numbers. I'll have to check back in later.


Do to as well, my neighbor is a nurse here, she's not your normal nurse either... she's the one intubating patients.  Nothing in this article jives with what she's saying is happening here.  I trust her over the media, which has always made it's money on selling fear.
 
2020-06-29 11:10:49 PM  

Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.


Even San Diego hasn't been completely stupid, and outside some outliers in North County and, obviously, East County, most people are still wearing masks and social distancing day to day.

The other problem, besides the obvious MAGAheads and anti-vaxxers, is partiers in Gaslamp, PB, etc., Zonie tourists bringing it with them to the beach, etc.

Separate from that, I know the hospital network I work for here has been bombarded by extra cases from two places: Imperial county, which was unable to handle the number of cases they had, and US citizens living in TJ and Rosarito, where cost of living is cheaper, coming across the border and getting treatment here, because TJ hospitals are swamped, too.
 
2020-06-29 11:16:51 PM  
Don't think it,s been figured out yet, but every person who has not been exposed to the virus is a future 'spike'...
 
2020-06-29 11:19:08 PM  

erik-k: mikaloyd: Summercat: (especially compared to Republican led states)?

For best results do NOT check how Oregon is faring just now

I give it 2 weeks until most of the state's population is back to shutdown.

Masks were just made mandatory.



LA just closed the beaches for the entire 4th of July weekend.

All of them.
 
2020-06-29 11:19:53 PM  

NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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It wasn't over when the Chinese bombed Pearl Harbor.

NOTHING is over until we say it is.
 
2020-06-29 11:21:55 PM  

StevieWonder_DrivingInstructor: Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.

Even San Diego hasn't been completely stupid, and outside some outliers in North County and, obviously, East County, most people are still wearing masks and social distancing day to day.

The other problem, besides the obvious MAGAheads and anti-vaxxers, is partiers in Gaslamp, PB, etc., Zonie tourists bringing it with them to the beach, etc.

Separate from that, I know the hospital network I work for here has been bombarded by extra cases from two places: Imperial county, which was unable to handle the number of cases they had, and US citizens living in TJ and Rosarito, where cost of living is cheaper, coming across the border and getting treatment here, because TJ hospitals are swamped, too.


Anecdotally, while at Costco today I saw one older man without a mask, and far too many people who'd let it slide down under their nose.
 
2020-06-29 11:27:24 PM  
Still, San Diego County's not looking good.

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2020-06-29 11:45:41 PM  

Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.


I'm in Santa Clara county (norcal). We were the first county in the country to order a SIP, two days before the rest of the state. Our bars and restaurants are still only open for take out. Hospitals currently have plenty of open beds. Our health director is one badass lady.

The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.
 
2020-06-29 11:50:48 PM  
Time for trump to throw a couple trillion to the airlines again.
That'll fix everything.
 
2020-06-30 12:18:56 AM  

phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.



We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".
 
2020-06-30 12:31:42 AM  
Living in densely packed urban areas is going to be an untenable life choice for awhile.   Perhaps indefinitely.
 
2020-06-30 12:39:08 AM  
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There are more people in this red dot than there are in each state that is colored blue:

The only other area that can compare to the population of Los Angeles is New York.

New York has 32K Covid19 deaths
Los Angeles has 6K Covid19 deaths.

Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?

Yeah I agree opening up early was stupid, but when you look at the data prior to Memorial Day, it indicated that the curve had been flattened and it was decided that it would be ok to start reopening. Eric Garcetti has already stated numerous times that he will not hesitate to lock down the county again if needed.

Watching other states and counties totally fark up their responses, I'm actually extremely proud of our leadership here for taking the initiative that our Federal Government totally dismissed.
 
2020-06-30 12:41:54 AM  

corn-bread: Living in densely packed urban areas is going to be an untenable life choice for awhile.   Perhaps indefinitely.


We'll come back together once we have a vaccine we know is working.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:17 AM  

ng2810: Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?



NYC was densely populated enough to achieve critical mass for exponential SARS-CoV-2 spread.

LA, at only 1/3 the density, was only 1/3 as "enriched" and did not detonate with the same yield.

/We nearly lost NYC.
 
2020-06-30 1:08:40 AM  

studebaker hoch: corn-bread: Living in densely packed urban areas is going to be an untenable life choice for awhile.   Perhaps indefinitely.

We'll come back together once we have a vaccine we know is working.



We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses.  The common cold and SARS come to mind.
I'm not optimistic for a vaccine.  A better treatment perhaps.  But herd immunity?  I'm taking the under.
 
2020-06-30 1:25:10 AM  

studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".


Isn't he a germaphobe?  As President Germaphobe, this should have been where he excelled.  Wouldn't even a self-centered germaphobe logically want everyone else to be more germaphobic if only to keep himself safer/healthier in the long run?  He has no problems preaching on twitter on everything else... even on trivial things at 3am.  He's a stupid germaphobe.
 
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