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(MSN)   Nation's most populous county, L.A. County issues dire warning that things are deteriorating very rapidly after "alarming increases" in coronavirus cases. States that did not act so stupidly say: Good luck, we're all counting on you   (msn.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.

As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.


Since its 2020, prepare for another pandemic folks.
 
6 days ago  
It's a good thing Randy Newman didn't live to see this.
 
6 days ago  
States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.
 
6 days ago  
Subby, it almost sounds like you don't like California very much.  Almost.
 
6 days ago  
with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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6 days ago  
Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.
 
6 days ago  
Ca.has been averaging 5-6000 new cases a day for about a week .. 2 weeks from now is going to be brutal ..
 
6 days ago  

lolmao500: Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.

As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.

Since its 2020, prepare for another pandemic folks.


It was October that the 1918 flu mutation became seriously lethal
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.


Two weeks ago was when The Donald declared that the virus was over and we could all go back to normal. June 15th.
 
6 days ago  

robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.


Protests, rioting, bars opening, summer, young people doing the pokey poke with random strangers...
 
6 days ago  

lolmao500: Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


The good news is that we already know how to avoid a flu pandemic - by doing all of the same stuff that we're supposed to be doing to avoid COVID-19 (masks, limited social interaction, physical distance, frequent hand washing, etc).
 
6 days ago  

Summercat: (especially compared to Republican led states)?


For best results do NOT check how Oregon is faring just now
 
6 days ago  

lolmao500: Meanwhile in China...
Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.

As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.

Since its 2020, prepare for another pandemic folks.


At least the Branch Covidians will actually be kinda right when they say that one is "just like the flu," or some nonsense. They'll just be saying it without awareness of how bad an unchecked flu can truly be.
 
6 days ago  
Again, I know I've said this before...

I think we've pretty much reached that point where you just drop what you are doing, laughing or weeping, or both...  because you've realized the sheer futility of it.

You know you've seen that look on someone's face before...
 
6 days ago  

NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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So what?  Appeal to emotions or something with an invalid comparison
 
6 days ago  
California could certainly do better, but there are 30 states with more cases per capita. We're the largest state, with 50% more people than the next most populous state (Texas), so we'll always have high raw numbers.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

DippityDoo: [Fark user image 425x319] Everything's fine  Nothing's farked here man


I would sooner believe that White Russian cocktails are the cure to coronavirus than whatever injecting bleach nonsense the president espouses. Plus, they're damn tasty. Needs more Kahlua
 
6 days ago  

mofa: California could certainly do better, but there are 30 states with more cases per capita. We're the largest state, with 50% more people than the next most populous state (Texas), so we'll always have high raw numbers.


Oh you, with your accurate and relevant numbers. Why must you impede Subby's California hate-boner? So rude.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

mikaloyd: Summercat: (especially compared to Republican led states)?

For best results do NOT check how Oregon is faring just now


I give it 2 weeks until most of the state's population is back to shutdown.

Masks were just made mandatory.
 
6 days ago  
What states are those, subby?
 
6 days ago  

mudesi: What states are those, subby?


Yeah, I'm confused, we were among the first and trust me, living here was dystopian for a while there...  I almost had to leave because I couldn't take it here in the city.
 
6 days ago  
I just want to say that I really like the graphs in the article.

The first couple of metrics didn't start at zero, but the graph did.

Good work LA Times.

Modern trash news would have cut the first graph into two, one with the first chunk starting at 400 and ending at 600 with a lot of unnumbered points on the Y axis, and the second starting at 350.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

dyhchong: I just want to say that I really like the graphs in the article.

The first couple of metrics didn't start at zero, but the graph did.

Good work LA Times.

Modern trash news would have cut the first graph into two, one with the first chunk starting at 400 and ending at 600 with a lot of unnumbered points on the Y axis, and the second starting at 350.



Almost* (not all) of the major news outlets (print, TV, etc)  have shiatty graphs made by business dorks who don't understand anything about math or science but have a license for Tableau.  The best was that guy for ft.com digital who made a simple linear regression with multiple observations of the dependent variable at the same value of the independent variable.

I've tried on social media to get my per capita chart to get traction, to no avail. It's too busy and complicated for joe 6 pack and his/her generic excel experiences.
 
6 days ago  

robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.


I know what happened 2 weeks ago.
 
6 days ago  

Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.


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6 days ago  

mofa: California could certainly do better, but there are 30 states with more cases per capita. We're the largest state, with 50% more people than the next most populous state (Texas) with the most idiots, so we'll always have high raw numbers.


/ftfm
 
6 days ago  

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6 days ago  
RIP Abe Vigoda

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6 days ago  
However, since I'm that guy (I even wear masks when alone in my car in case any children see me, so they can ask their parents why they aren't wearing their masks), I walked a bit before sunrise and watered my lawn; otherwise I stayed inside all day (ditto over the weekend). I'm totally avoiding humans.

Still, Merced County is using 100% of their ICU beds, whereas Los Angeles shows 37%. I don't know why the LA Times is showing approx 95% used on their predictions/"actuals," other than to note that they're counting only "ICU planned capacity without activation of alternative ICU locations or staffing." Maybe that's where the 95% turns into the more likely 37%.

fark these jerkwads. I've analyzed radar data for 32 years. I have problems with their numbers. I'll have to check back in later.
 
6 days ago  

mofa: However, since I'm that guy (I even wear masks when alone in my car in case any children see me, so they can ask their parents why they aren't wearing their masks), I walked a bit before sunrise and watered my lawn; otherwise I stayed inside all day (ditto over the weekend). I'm totally avoiding humans.

Still, Merced County is using 100% of their ICU beds, whereas Los Angeles shows 37%. I don't know why the LA Times is showing approx 95% used on their predictions/"actuals," other than to note that they're counting only "ICU planned capacity without activation of alternative ICU locations or staffing." Maybe that's where the 95% turns into the more likely 37%.

fark these jerkwads. I've analyzed radar data for 32 years. I have problems with their numbers. I'll have to check back in later.


Do to as well, my neighbor is a nurse here, she's not your normal nurse either... she's the one intubating patients.  Nothing in this article jives with what she's saying is happening here.  I trust her over the media, which has always made it's money on selling fear.
 
6 days ago  

Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.


Even San Diego hasn't been completely stupid, and outside some outliers in North County and, obviously, East County, most people are still wearing masks and social distancing day to day.

The other problem, besides the obvious MAGAheads and anti-vaxxers, is partiers in Gaslamp, PB, etc., Zonie tourists bringing it with them to the beach, etc.

Separate from that, I know the hospital network I work for here has been bombarded by extra cases from two places: Imperial county, which was unable to handle the number of cases they had, and US citizens living in TJ and Rosarito, where cost of living is cheaper, coming across the border and getting treatment here, because TJ hospitals are swamped, too.
 
6 days ago  
Don't think it,s been figured out yet, but every person who has not been exposed to the virus is a future 'spike'...
 
6 days ago  

erik-k: mikaloyd: Summercat: (especially compared to Republican led states)?

For best results do NOT check how Oregon is faring just now

I give it 2 weeks until most of the state's population is back to shutdown.

Masks were just made mandatory.



LA just closed the beaches for the entire 4th of July weekend.

All of them.
 
6 days ago  

NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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It wasn't over when the Chinese bombed Pearl Harbor.

NOTHING is over until we say it is.
 
6 days ago  

StevieWonder_DrivingInstructor: Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.

Even San Diego hasn't been completely stupid, and outside some outliers in North County and, obviously, East County, most people are still wearing masks and social distancing day to day.

The other problem, besides the obvious MAGAheads and anti-vaxxers, is partiers in Gaslamp, PB, etc., Zonie tourists bringing it with them to the beach, etc.

Separate from that, I know the hospital network I work for here has been bombarded by extra cases from two places: Imperial county, which was unable to handle the number of cases they had, and US citizens living in TJ and Rosarito, where cost of living is cheaper, coming across the border and getting treatment here, because TJ hospitals are swamped, too.


Anecdotally, while at Costco today I saw one older man without a mask, and far too many people who'd let it slide down under their nose.
 
6 days ago  
Still, San Diego County's not looking good.

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6 days ago  

Summercat: States that what?

I'm not wholly up to speed on my state of origin but what did California do stupidly (especially compared to Republican led states)?

Difficulty: you can't point at Orange County or San Diego.


I'm in Santa Clara county (norcal). We were the first county in the country to order a SIP, two days before the rest of the state. Our bars and restaurants are still only open for take out. Hospitals currently have plenty of open beds. Our health director is one badass lady.

The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.
 
6 days ago  
Time for trump to throw a couple trillion to the airlines again.
That'll fix everything.
 
6 days ago  

phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.



We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".
 
6 days ago  
Living in densely packed urban areas is going to be an untenable life choice for awhile.   Perhaps indefinitely.
 
6 days ago  
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There are more people in this red dot than there are in each state that is colored blue:

The only other area that can compare to the population of Los Angeles is New York.

New York has 32K Covid19 deaths
Los Angeles has 6K Covid19 deaths.

Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?

Yeah I agree opening up early was stupid, but when you look at the data prior to Memorial Day, it indicated that the curve had been flattened and it was decided that it would be ok to start reopening. Eric Garcetti has already stated numerous times that he will not hesitate to lock down the county again if needed.

Watching other states and counties totally fark up their responses, I'm actually extremely proud of our leadership here for taking the initiative that our Federal Government totally dismissed.
 
6 days ago  

corn-bread: Living in densely packed urban areas is going to be an untenable life choice for awhile.   Perhaps indefinitely.


We'll come back together once we have a vaccine we know is working.
 
6 days ago  

ng2810: Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?



NYC was densely populated enough to achieve critical mass for exponential SARS-CoV-2 spread.

LA, at only 1/3 the density, was only 1/3 as "enriched" and did not detonate with the same yield.

/We nearly lost NYC.
 
6 days ago  

studebaker hoch: corn-bread: Living in densely packed urban areas is going to be an untenable life choice for awhile.   Perhaps indefinitely.

We'll come back together once we have a vaccine we know is working.



We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses.  The common cold and SARS come to mind.
I'm not optimistic for a vaccine.  A better treatment perhaps.  But herd immunity?  I'm taking the under.
 
6 days ago  

studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".


Isn't he a germaphobe?  As President Germaphobe, this should have been where he excelled.  Wouldn't even a self-centered germaphobe logically want everyone else to be more germaphobic if only to keep himself safer/healthier in the long run?  He has no problems preaching on twitter on everything else... even on trivial things at 3am.  He's a stupid germaphobe.
 
6 days ago  

studebaker hoch: NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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It wasn't over when the Chinese bombed Pearl Harbor.

NOTHING is over until we say it is.


Not sure if serious...

/It was the GERMANS that bombed Pearl Harbor
 
6 days ago  
I blame protesting.  Gathering in large groups was lauded by the press, so others thought it was okay to follow suit at bars, restaurants, and family gatherings.

/Keep politics out of it
//Keep masks on
 
6 days ago  

Mad Canadian: studebaker hoch: NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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It wasn't over when the Chinese bombed Pearl Harbor.

NOTHING is over until we say it is.

Not sure if serious...

/It was the GERMANS that bombed Pearl Harbor


Username...
 
6 days ago  

studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".


You really don't want DC trying to craft policy to cover 50 states and God knows how many localities, even assuming they had the Constitutional authority and the resources to do so. The leaders at those levels are much better positioned to decide what needs to be done under each of their unique circumstances.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

PyroStock: studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".

Isn't he a germaphobe?  As President Germaphobe, this should have been where he excelled.  Wouldn't even a self-centered germaphobe logically want everyone else to be more germaphobic if only to keep himself safer/healthier in the long run?  He has no problems preaching on twitter on everything else... even on trivial things at 3am.  He's a stupid germaphobe.


No he isn't a germaphobe, it was a cover for the girls peeing on him rumor.
 
6 days ago  

ng2810: [Fark user image image 850x527]There are more people in this red dot than there are in each state that is colored blue:

The only other area that can compare to the population of Los Angeles is New York.

New York has 32K Covid19 deaths
Los Angeles has 6K Covid19 deaths.

Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?

Yeah I agree opening up early was stupid, but when you look at the data prior to Memorial Day, it indicated that the curve had been flattened and it was decided that it would be ok to start reopening. Eric Garcetti has already stated numerous times that he will not hesitate to lock down the county again if needed.

Watching other states and counties totally fark up their responses, I'm actually extremely proud of our leadership here for taking the initiative that our Federal Government totally dismissed.


Flattening the curve shouldn't have been enough. We needed to see a significant decline in new infections in order to reduce the possibility of a resurgence in transmissions as we started opening businesses. Health officials told us. Government officials should have been aware of it. Even the White House said this in its dumbed-down reopening guidelines.

The only reason I can see that LA County or the state of California would allow everything to reopen so quickly is that they were bleeding money, and didn't want to go further into debt.
 
6 days ago  

corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses. The common cold and SARS come to mind.


SARS was eliminated through a strong test / trace / isolate strategy before there was time to develop a vaccine. Biotechnology has also improved a lot since then, and we do have a bit of a head start on COVID-19 thanks to the preliminary work on SARS and MERS vaccines.

The "common cold" covers a whole bunch of unrelated virus families, and does not cause a severe enough disease to justify a massive vaccine development program.

There is at least one vaccine for a coronavirus in dogs.
 
6 days ago  

haknudsen: PyroStock: studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".

Isn't he a germaphobe?  As President Germaphobe, this should have been where he excelled.  Wouldn't even a self-centered germaphobe logically want everyone else to be more germaphobic if only to keep himself safer/healthier in the long run?  He has no problems preaching on twitter on everything else... even on trivial things at 3am.  He's a stupid germaphobe.

No he isn't a germaphobe, it was a cover for the girls peeing on him rumor.


The pee rumor is said to have happened in 2013.  He's been saying he's a germaphobe since 1993 or earlier.  He seems more stupid, including about germs and health (like his bleach blunder), than anything else,
 
6 days ago  

8 inches: I blame protesting.  Gathering in large groups was lauded by the press, so others thought it was okay to follow suit at bars, restaurants, and family gatherings.

/Keep politics out of it
//Keep masks on


The overwhelming majority of protesters were wearing masks.

Wearing masks is a nearly 100% effective way to prevent covid from spreading.

You are, as usual, full of it.
 
6 days ago  

ng2810: [Fark user image image 850x527]There are more people in this red dot than there are in each state that is colored blue:

The only other area that can compare to the population of Los Angeles is New York.

New York has 32K Covid19 deaths
Los Angeles has 6K Covid19 deaths.

Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?

Yeah I agree opening up early was stupid, but when you look at the data prior to Memorial Day, it indicated that the curve had been flattened and it was decided that it would be ok to start reopening. Eric Garcetti has already stated numerous times that he will not hesitate to lock down the county again if needed.

Watching other states and counties totally fark up their responses, I'm actually extremely proud of our leadership here for taking the initiative that our Federal Government totally dismissed.


The SF bay area metropolitan area is slightly smaller than LA county and has a slightly smaller population. SF (the city) has about 20X the population density of LA. The bay area metro has 1/10 of the deaths of LA. Less than 600.

The bay area has a few things going for it. Because of all the high tech jobs, more people can work productively from home. Also, people are generally better educated here. The vast majority of people are wearing masks and excercising social distancing. Lastly, the health directors around here are taking it very seriously. No bars or restaurants open for anything other than takeout.

LA should've done better. As a norcal resident, it's usually easy to bash on socal. Not this time. I have friends and relatives in socal.
 
6 days ago  

corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses.  The common cold and SARS come to mind.
I'm not optimistic for a vaccine.  A better treatment perhaps.  But herd immunity?  I'm taking the under.


I would take that action.

Every medical research lab on Earth is working on this right now.  Something like two hundred vaccines in various trials.

There hasn't been this much money, technology, and brainpower focused on a single objective since the Moon Race.  There's fame, fortune, a Nobel Prize, and virtually unlimited top-shelf intern tail waiting for the team that gets there first.

My money says it happens sooner than later.   Spring of next year, plus or minus a season.
 
6 days ago  
So California is now a "state that did things stupidly?"  Because it was held up as a model earlier.  They were awful proud of taking steps really early.

This thing is going to tear through every single country, every single state.  So many countries or states are trying to pat themselves on the back and declare moral superiority when it's all pointless.
 
6 days ago  

CitizenReserveCorps: Subby, it almost sounds like you don't like California very much.  Almost.


Other than Californians, no one likes it. The land itself is beautiful but those living there are insufferable.
 
6 days ago  

bfh0417: CitizenReserveCorps: Subby, it almost sounds like you don't like California very much.  Almost.

Other than Californians, no one likes it. The land itself is beautiful but those living there are insufferable.


And it reminds you of just how little there is to do in your hillbilly fly over town you were born in and will most likely die in.
 
6 days ago  

FarkQued: robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.

Protests, rioting, bars opening, summer, young people doing the pokey poke with random strangers...


Yup.

All of the above.
California started a phased reopening, but even when reopening, every state needs to enforce good behavior.

That's not political, that's common sense.
 
6 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses. The common cold and SARS come to mind.

SARS was eliminated through a strong test / trace / isolate strategy before there was time to develop a vaccine. Biotechnology has also improved a lot since then, and we do have a bit of a head start on COVID-19 thanks to the preliminary work on SARS and MERS vaccines.

The "common cold" covers a whole bunch of unrelated virus families, and does not cause a severe enough disease to justify a massive vaccine development program.

There is at least one vaccine for a coronavirus in dogs.


This virus is worse than SARS-1, and its way past the point of tracing.

It will continue to spread here.
 
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Bartleby the Scrivener: [i.imgur.com image 474x266]


Came to make sure this was here!
 
5 days ago  

RussianPotato: So California is now a "state that did things stupidly?"  Because it was held up as a model earlier.  They were awful proud of taking steps really early.

This thing is going to tear through every single country, every single state.  So many countries or states are trying to pat themselves on the back and declare moral superiority when it's all pointless.


Congrats... you get it..  most don't... yet.   Think of animals in rutting season.. a biological drive to survive..  the designed purpose of a virus is to replicate.  It will search for and find any host available, as a host and as a vector, to aid in the search.  It is programmed, via DNA, to do that.   You can isolate in a house, where vectors cannot go : you cannot isolate in a country, where vectors are everywhere.  Theoretically, if every country had 'airtight' shut their borders, and did a 100 % lockdown for 30-45 days, the virus would die for lack of hosts.   Theoretically.   In reality, not going to happen.  People need to eat.  There has to be a support group that keeps everything running..  call them hosts and vectors... people cross borders everywhere, always have and always will..  more hosts and vectors...
The bottom line, whether you accept it or not, is that the virus will have to run the course and run out of viable hosts.  Then, and only then, will new cases stop.  With the number of hosts on Planet Earth, you better think long term and hope that a functioning vaccine is developed.  Soon.   OMG ! New cases ! = OMG ! The Sun rose !    Get used to it.    World population - # of cases = future cases.  It is what it is.
 
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studebaker hoch: corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses.  The common cold and SARS come to mind.
I'm not optimistic for a vaccine.  A better treatment perhaps.  But herd immunity?  I'm taking the under.

I would take that action.

Every medical research lab on Earth is working on this right now.  Something like two hundred vaccines in various trials.

There hasn't been this much money, technology, and brainpower focused on a single objective since the Moon Race.  There's fame, fortune, a Nobel Prize, and virtually unlimited top-shelf intern tail waiting for the team that gets there first.

My money says it happens sooner than later.   Spring of next year, plus or minus a season.


That intern tail is indeed a powerful motivating factor.

I'm hoping that recent academic studies are wrong regarding how long antibodies remain in recovered patients.  A couple have said 2 - 3 months.  One found only something like 4 - 10 percent of recovered patients had antibodies.  I recall one study that thought immunity might last for two years.

Regardless those facts, if true, are going to make vaccine development difficult.
 
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Ivo Shandor: corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses. The common cold and SARS come to mind.

SARS was eliminated through a strong test / trace / isolate strategy before there was time to develop a vaccine. Biotechnology has also improved a lot since then, and we do have a bit of a head start on COVID-19 thanks to the preliminary work on SARS and MERS vaccines.

The "common cold" covers a whole bunch of unrelated virus families, and does not cause a severe enough disease to justify a massive vaccine development program.

There is at least one vaccine for a coronavirus in dogs.



In regards to the common cold, I speak specifically of the variety that are cold corona viruses.  Your points on SARS and MERS are well taken, but my point stands: For whatever reason, we don't have many (any?) effective corona virus vaccines in humans (I looked and was unable to find any.  If you know of one please enlighten me).

Corona viruses have characteristics that make them harder than normal to vaccinate against.
 
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corn-bread: In regards to the common cold, I speak specifically of the variety that are cold corona viruses. Your points on SARS and MERS are well taken, but my point stands: For whatever reason, we don't have many (any?) effective corona virus vaccines in humans (I looked and was unable to find any. If you know of one please enlighten me).


Historically we haven't needed to make a vaccine against human a human coronavirus. It's not like HIV or dengue fever where scientists have been trying and failing for decades. The human coronavirus diseases had either been too mild or too limited in scope for us to invest much effort.

Coronaviruses don't mutate particularly rapidly, they do not reverse-transcribe themselves into cellular DNA, and they don't specifically target immune-system cells. In preliminary trials (animals at least), introducing bits of the spike protein does cause the host to generate an antibody response.

There are questions about how long those antibodies will last, and about the relative importance of antibodies vs. T cells or other aspects of the immune system. If only a single company was working on a vaccine, I wouldn't give them great odds on being successful. When there are more than 100 around the globe working on different strategies in parallel, the odds go up of at least one of them producing something which is at least somewhat effective against the disease. Maybe it will give life-long immunity, or maybe it will require a booster shot every 6 months. Even the second scenario would let us protect the most important people (healthcare workers, retail clerks, migrant farm workers and meat packers, etc) and would help to get the rest of society back to a somewhat-normal life.
 
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