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(MSN)   Nation's most populous county, L.A. County issues dire warning that things are deteriorating very rapidly after "alarming increases" in coronavirus cases. States that did not act so stupidly say: Good luck, we're all counting on you   (msn.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 1:32:39 AM  

studebaker hoch: NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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It wasn't over when the Chinese bombed Pearl Harbor.

NOTHING is over until we say it is.


Not sure if serious...

/It was the GERMANS that bombed Pearl Harbor
 
2020-06-30 1:32:46 AM  
I blame protesting.  Gathering in large groups was lauded by the press, so others thought it was okay to follow suit at bars, restaurants, and family gatherings.

/Keep politics out of it
//Keep masks on
 
2020-06-30 1:33:58 AM  

Mad Canadian: studebaker hoch: NephilimNexus: with nearly 98,000 confirmed cases and more than 3,300 deaths - but officials said Monday that the outbreak is worsening.

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It wasn't over when the Chinese bombed Pearl Harbor.

NOTHING is over until we say it is.

Not sure if serious...

/It was the GERMANS that bombed Pearl Harbor


Username...
 
2020-06-30 1:56:11 AM  

studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".


You really don't want DC trying to craft policy to cover 50 states and God knows how many localities, even assuming they had the Constitutional authority and the resources to do so. The leaders at those levels are much better positioned to decide what needs to be done under each of their unique circumstances.
 
2020-06-30 1:58:44 AM  
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2020-06-30 2:13:56 AM  

PyroStock: studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".

Isn't he a germaphobe?  As President Germaphobe, this should have been where he excelled.  Wouldn't even a self-centered germaphobe logically want everyone else to be more germaphobic if only to keep himself safer/healthier in the long run?  He has no problems preaching on twitter on everything else... even on trivial things at 3am.  He's a stupid germaphobe.


No he isn't a germaphobe, it was a cover for the girls peeing on him rumor.
 
2020-06-30 2:16:05 AM  

ng2810: [Fark user image image 850x527]There are more people in this red dot than there are in each state that is colored blue:

The only other area that can compare to the population of Los Angeles is New York.

New York has 32K Covid19 deaths
Los Angeles has 6K Covid19 deaths.

Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?

Yeah I agree opening up early was stupid, but when you look at the data prior to Memorial Day, it indicated that the curve had been flattened and it was decided that it would be ok to start reopening. Eric Garcetti has already stated numerous times that he will not hesitate to lock down the county again if needed.

Watching other states and counties totally fark up their responses, I'm actually extremely proud of our leadership here for taking the initiative that our Federal Government totally dismissed.


Flattening the curve shouldn't have been enough. We needed to see a significant decline in new infections in order to reduce the possibility of a resurgence in transmissions as we started opening businesses. Health officials told us. Government officials should have been aware of it. Even the White House said this in its dumbed-down reopening guidelines.

The only reason I can see that LA County or the state of California would allow everything to reopen so quickly is that they were bleeding money, and didn't want to go further into debt.
 
2020-06-30 2:18:25 AM  

corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses. The common cold and SARS come to mind.


SARS was eliminated through a strong test / trace / isolate strategy before there was time to develop a vaccine. Biotechnology has also improved a lot since then, and we do have a bit of a head start on COVID-19 thanks to the preliminary work on SARS and MERS vaccines.

The "common cold" covers a whole bunch of unrelated virus families, and does not cause a severe enough disease to justify a massive vaccine development program.

There is at least one vaccine for a coronavirus in dogs.
 
2020-06-30 3:08:45 AM  

haknudsen: PyroStock: studebaker hoch: phishrace: The states didn't screw up. The orders should've come from Washington. Instead, states allow the counties to basically do what they want. LA opened the bars and restaurants too early. The governor is now threatening to withhold money from counties that open too early, but it's too little too late. When this is all over, hopefully we'll have a national plan for the next one. Leaving it to the states and counties was a bad idea.


We really needed the steady hand and wise words of a competent national leader through all of this.

What we got was "You're on your own".

Isn't he a germaphobe?  As President Germaphobe, this should have been where he excelled.  Wouldn't even a self-centered germaphobe logically want everyone else to be more germaphobic if only to keep himself safer/healthier in the long run?  He has no problems preaching on twitter on everything else... even on trivial things at 3am.  He's a stupid germaphobe.

No he isn't a germaphobe, it was a cover for the girls peeing on him rumor.


The pee rumor is said to have happened in 2013.  He's been saying he's a germaphobe since 1993 or earlier.  He seems more stupid, including about germs and health (like his bleach blunder), than anything else,
 
2020-06-30 3:55:22 AM  

8 inches: I blame protesting.  Gathering in large groups was lauded by the press, so others thought it was okay to follow suit at bars, restaurants, and family gatherings.

/Keep politics out of it
//Keep masks on


The overwhelming majority of protesters were wearing masks.

Wearing masks is a nearly 100% effective way to prevent covid from spreading.

You are, as usual, full of it.
 
2020-06-30 4:05:32 AM  

ng2810: [Fark user image image 850x527]There are more people in this red dot than there are in each state that is colored blue:

The only other area that can compare to the population of Los Angeles is New York.

New York has 32K Covid19 deaths
Los Angeles has 6K Covid19 deaths.

Tell me what the fark we've been doing wrong exactly?

Yeah I agree opening up early was stupid, but when you look at the data prior to Memorial Day, it indicated that the curve had been flattened and it was decided that it would be ok to start reopening. Eric Garcetti has already stated numerous times that he will not hesitate to lock down the county again if needed.

Watching other states and counties totally fark up their responses, I'm actually extremely proud of our leadership here for taking the initiative that our Federal Government totally dismissed.


The SF bay area metropolitan area is slightly smaller than LA county and has a slightly smaller population. SF (the city) has about 20X the population density of LA. The bay area metro has 1/10 of the deaths of LA. Less than 600.

The bay area has a few things going for it. Because of all the high tech jobs, more people can work productively from home. Also, people are generally better educated here. The vast majority of people are wearing masks and excercising social distancing. Lastly, the health directors around here are taking it very seriously. No bars or restaurants open for anything other than takeout.

LA should've done better. As a norcal resident, it's usually easy to bash on socal. Not this time. I have friends and relatives in socal.
 
2020-06-30 4:26:53 AM  

corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses.  The common cold and SARS come to mind.
I'm not optimistic for a vaccine.  A better treatment perhaps.  But herd immunity?  I'm taking the under.


I would take that action.

Every medical research lab on Earth is working on this right now.  Something like two hundred vaccines in various trials.

There hasn't been this much money, technology, and brainpower focused on a single objective since the Moon Race.  There's fame, fortune, a Nobel Prize, and virtually unlimited top-shelf intern tail waiting for the team that gets there first.

My money says it happens sooner than later.   Spring of next year, plus or minus a season.
 
2020-06-30 5:43:06 AM  
So California is now a "state that did things stupidly?"  Because it was held up as a model earlier.  They were awful proud of taking steps really early.

This thing is going to tear through every single country, every single state.  So many countries or states are trying to pat themselves on the back and declare moral superiority when it's all pointless.
 
2020-06-30 6:21:37 AM  

CitizenReserveCorps: Subby, it almost sounds like you don't like California very much.  Almost.


Other than Californians, no one likes it. The land itself is beautiful but those living there are insufferable.
 
2020-06-30 6:53:27 AM  

bfh0417: CitizenReserveCorps: Subby, it almost sounds like you don't like California very much.  Almost.

Other than Californians, no one likes it. The land itself is beautiful but those living there are insufferable.


And it reminds you of just how little there is to do in your hillbilly fly over town you were born in and will most likely die in.
 
2020-06-30 7:01:40 AM  

FarkQued: robodog: Not sure what happened 2 weeks ago, but even Ohio is trending upwards at an alarming rate. Till now we've been very middle of the pack for cases, and very good on a per-population basis and never needed more than 20% of our ICU beds for Covid patients, but that's looking like it might be history here shortly. I don't know if some particularly bad piece of misinformation swept through the right wing zeitgeist about 2 weeks ago or what but it's not a good thing at all.

Protests, rioting, bars opening, summer, young people doing the pokey poke with random strangers...


Yup.

All of the above.
California started a phased reopening, but even when reopening, every state needs to enforce good behavior.

That's not political, that's common sense.
 
2020-06-30 7:05:31 AM  

Ivo Shandor: corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses. The common cold and SARS come to mind.

SARS was eliminated through a strong test / trace / isolate strategy before there was time to develop a vaccine. Biotechnology has also improved a lot since then, and we do have a bit of a head start on COVID-19 thanks to the preliminary work on SARS and MERS vaccines.

The "common cold" covers a whole bunch of unrelated virus families, and does not cause a severe enough disease to justify a massive vaccine development program.

There is at least one vaccine for a coronavirus in dogs.


This virus is worse than SARS-1, and its way past the point of tracing.

It will continue to spread here.
 
2020-06-30 9:37:29 AM  

Bartleby the Scrivener: [i.imgur.com image 474x266]


Came to make sure this was here!
 
2020-06-30 10:01:42 AM  

RussianPotato: So California is now a "state that did things stupidly?"  Because it was held up as a model earlier.  They were awful proud of taking steps really early.

This thing is going to tear through every single country, every single state.  So many countries or states are trying to pat themselves on the back and declare moral superiority when it's all pointless.


Congrats... you get it..  most don't... yet.   Think of animals in rutting season.. a biological drive to survive..  the designed purpose of a virus is to replicate.  It will search for and find any host available, as a host and as a vector, to aid in the search.  It is programmed, via DNA, to do that.   You can isolate in a house, where vectors cannot go : you cannot isolate in a country, where vectors are everywhere.  Theoretically, if every country had 'airtight' shut their borders, and did a 100 % lockdown for 30-45 days, the virus would die for lack of hosts.   Theoretically.   In reality, not going to happen.  People need to eat.  There has to be a support group that keeps everything running..  call them hosts and vectors... people cross borders everywhere, always have and always will..  more hosts and vectors...
The bottom line, whether you accept it or not, is that the virus will have to run the course and run out of viable hosts.  Then, and only then, will new cases stop.  With the number of hosts on Planet Earth, you better think long term and hope that a functioning vaccine is developed.  Soon.   OMG ! New cases ! = OMG ! The Sun rose !    Get used to it.    World population - # of cases = future cases.  It is what it is.
 
2020-06-30 12:42:58 PM  

studebaker hoch: corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses.  The common cold and SARS come to mind.
I'm not optimistic for a vaccine.  A better treatment perhaps.  But herd immunity?  I'm taking the under.

I would take that action.

Every medical research lab on Earth is working on this right now.  Something like two hundred vaccines in various trials.

There hasn't been this much money, technology, and brainpower focused on a single objective since the Moon Race.  There's fame, fortune, a Nobel Prize, and virtually unlimited top-shelf intern tail waiting for the team that gets there first.

My money says it happens sooner than later.   Spring of next year, plus or minus a season.


That intern tail is indeed a powerful motivating factor.

I'm hoping that recent academic studies are wrong regarding how long antibodies remain in recovered patients.  A couple have said 2 - 3 months.  One found only something like 4 - 10 percent of recovered patients had antibodies.  I recall one study that thought immunity might last for two years.

Regardless those facts, if true, are going to make vaccine development difficult.
 
2020-06-30 12:49:48 PM  

Ivo Shandor: corn-bread: We don't have a good track record against other corona viruses. The common cold and SARS come to mind.

SARS was eliminated through a strong test / trace / isolate strategy before there was time to develop a vaccine. Biotechnology has also improved a lot since then, and we do have a bit of a head start on COVID-19 thanks to the preliminary work on SARS and MERS vaccines.

The "common cold" covers a whole bunch of unrelated virus families, and does not cause a severe enough disease to justify a massive vaccine development program.

There is at least one vaccine for a coronavirus in dogs.



In regards to the common cold, I speak specifically of the variety that are cold corona viruses.  Your points on SARS and MERS are well taken, but my point stands: For whatever reason, we don't have many (any?) effective corona virus vaccines in humans (I looked and was unable to find any.  If you know of one please enlighten me).

Corona viruses have characteristics that make them harder than normal to vaccinate against.
 
2020-06-30 1:28:27 PM  

corn-bread: In regards to the common cold, I speak specifically of the variety that are cold corona viruses. Your points on SARS and MERS are well taken, but my point stands: For whatever reason, we don't have many (any?) effective corona virus vaccines in humans (I looked and was unable to find any. If you know of one please enlighten me).


Historically we haven't needed to make a vaccine against human a human coronavirus. It's not like HIV or dengue fever where scientists have been trying and failing for decades. The human coronavirus diseases had either been too mild or too limited in scope for us to invest much effort.

Coronaviruses don't mutate particularly rapidly, they do not reverse-transcribe themselves into cellular DNA, and they don't specifically target immune-system cells. In preliminary trials (animals at least), introducing bits of the spike protein does cause the host to generate an antibody response.

There are questions about how long those antibodies will last, and about the relative importance of antibodies vs. T cells or other aspects of the immune system. If only a single company was working on a vaccine, I wouldn't give them great odds on being successful. When there are more than 100 around the globe working on different strategies in parallel, the odds go up of at least one of them producing something which is at least somewhat effective against the disease. Maybe it will give life-long immunity, or maybe it will require a booster shot every 6 months. Even the second scenario would let us protect the most important people (healthcare workers, retail clerks, migrant farm workers and meat packers, etc) and would help to get the rest of society back to a somewhat-normal life.
 
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