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(The Hill)   The Trump campaign, the RNC, and 4 Pennsylvania Republican members of Congress have sued PA to stop mail-in voting. It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote   (thehill.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
I was under the impression that individual states control how they hold elections. I can't understand on what grounds a suit could be brought.

I hope the GOP gets smacked so hard, their great-grandkids feel
It.
 
4 days ago  

RedVentrue: If it's successful you won't see it by definition.


"The total lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!"

Classic Fark.
 
4 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: WTP 2: i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....

Yet another deluded conservative who doesn't understand how vote-by-mail works.  Enjoy your federal prison sentence for attempted voter fraud.


You're supposed to use dead people. Dead people can't tell you they didn't receive a ballot and didn't vote.
 
4 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: RedVentrue: If it's successful you won't see it by definition.

"The total lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!"

Classic Fark.


Hi
 
4 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.


Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.
 
4 days ago  

way south: The test of the system isn't when you win, it's whether you still accept the results if you lose. If you lose and get a notice that your vote was discarded because of a mismatched signature, will you accept the outcome?Of course you won't. This becomes a new thing to biatch about.  A reason to contest the election and gum up the works, as happened....But you expect the other guy won't biatch, won't accuse you of fraud, won't cheat, and won't point to the same piles of discarded/missing/invalidated votes as proof they were short changed?That's short sighted to the point that it's bound to end in disaster. A contested election is the last thing anyone needs.



The fark are you blathering about?  Trump was crying fraud even while voting was going on, and farking won.
This time around, when he gets his ass beat in the electoral college, he's still going to cry fraud.

Your comments notwithstanding, it is not common for U.S. political candidates to cry fraud or dispute elections.  The man child in the White House is the anomaly here.
 
4 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.


There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov​/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.
 
4 days ago  

Fireproof: Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes

Let's not forget that the only people caught doing anything like this were Republicans.


Then you should be in favor of preventing it.
 
4 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I thought Fark just went over this about Covid testing. Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?
 
4 days ago  
/ I'm mailing-in my comment.
 
4 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I thought Fark just went over this about Covid testing. Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?


So you're basically using the exact same reasoning the Bush administration used to defend it's invasion of Iraq.  Just know that you are breathing some rarified air.
 
3 days ago  

Neondistraction: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I thought Fark just went over this about Covid testing. Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?

So you're basically using the exact same reasoning the ...


Umm... no. He used a bullshiat source to finish his daddy's war and I was against it myself. I'm talking about adding RFID to mail in ballots so they can be tracked and confirmed to be authentic.
 
3 days ago  

lindalouwho: Ain't gonna win that, some states have had mail-in voting for a while already.


IANAL, but I would assume any reasonable judge would ask the MAGAts about those states, and why they hadn't sued them as well.

If they want to stop mail-in balloting, they should show that it's flawed EVERYWHERE, with proof to back up their assertions.
 
3 days ago  

Not_Todd: Fireproof: Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes

Let's not forget that the only people caught doing anything like this were Republicans.

Then you should be in favor of preventing it.


I'm currently more concerned about catching the coronavirus while voting in person that someone showing up at my door with some BS about "I'm with the state. I'm here to pick up your ballot, and it's definitely not like that other incident that made national news that this sounds exactly like."
 
3 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: RedVentrue: If it's successful you won't see it by definition.

"The total lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!"

Classic Fark.


"Al Capone was just a simple used furniture dealer who forgot to pay taxes on some sales. There's no evidence he was involved in a violent criminal enterprise. Total good guy all around."

Classic Fark.
 
3 days ago  

Alien Robot: "Al Capone was just a simple used furniture dealer who forgot to pay taxes on some sales. There's no evidence he was involved in a violent criminal enterprise. Total good guy all around."

Classic Fark.


lol sure
 
3 days ago  

wademh: Kentucky still hasn't finished their counting for the election held a week ago.


They have now.

/Or, you know, close enough to declare a winner
 
3 days ago  

RedVentrue: Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?


When did you stop beating your wife?
 
3 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: WTP 2: i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....

Yet another deluded conservative who doesn't understand how vote-by-mail works.  Enjoy your federal prison sentence for attempted voter fraud.

You're supposed to use dead people. Dead people can't tell you they didn't receive a ballot and didn't vote.

both parents are gone, one brother is also, and the kids aren't looking good....
 
3 days ago  

Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes


Wrong.

Each cast ballot is placed in two nested envelopes. The outer envelope has the voter's name and address, which can be checked against the list of registered voters to eliminate duplicate or invalid votes. If the vote is valid, the blank inner envelope inside is then set aside to be counted without revealing any voter's identity.
 
3 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

So, the Dems were lying. Got it.

Lying about what?  Where are the fraudulent votes-by-mail that were actually counted in Paterson (or anywhere else) and threw the election?

Cry even harder.


The lie was "There is no voter fraud. It's all in the imaginations of Republicans." It's been repeated over and over again on every talking head show and by the dullards on this site.

You really should keep up.
 
3 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

So, the Dems were lying. Got it.

Lying about what?  Where are the fraudulent votes-by-mail that were actually counted in Paterson (or anywhere else) and threw the election?

Cry even harder.

The lie was "There is no voter fraud. It's all in the imaginations of Republicans." It's been repeated over and over again on every talking head show and by the dullards on this site.

You really should keep up.


The issue is whether vote-by-mail is vulnerable to significant fraud.  You have nothing.  Cry me a river, but first put those goalposts back where you found them.
 
3 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.

FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?


52 U.S. Code §20511 disagrees with you. Once the vote is made, the crime has been committed, not attempted.
 
3 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.


translation: Vote fraud doesn't exist except for when it does.
 
3 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.

FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?

52 U.S. Code §20511 disagrees with you. Once the vote is made, the crime has been committed, not attempted.


Irrelevant to my question, since attempted bank robbery and attempted voter fraud are both crimes.  Since you couldn't answer, though, I'll answer myself.  The bank loses as much money in an attempted robbery as there are votes successfully cast in an attempted voter fraud scheme.
 
3 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

translation: Vote fraud doesn't exist except for when it does.


And?
 
2 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.

FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?

52 U.S. Code §20511 disagrees with you. Once the vote is made, the crime has been committed, not attempted.

Irrelevant to my question, since attempted bank robbery and attempted voter fraud are both crimes.  Since you couldn't answer, though, I'll answer myself.  The bank loses as much money in an attempted robbery as there are votes successfully cast in an attempted voter fraud scheme.


Deflect all you want by asking questions unrelated to your claim that there is no fraud. You may have just as well asked if cars usually have rubber tires or square teeth on them or why zebras have stripes instead of spots.
 
2 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

translation: Vote fraud doesn't exist except for when it does.

And?


But?

I can post one word questions too.
 
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