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(The Hill)   The Trump campaign, the RNC, and 4 Pennsylvania Republican members of Congress have sued PA to stop mail-in voting. It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote   (thehill.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
Ain't gonna win that, some states have had mail-in voting for a while already.
 
6 days ago  
If voting by mail is good enough for Trump's press secretary, it's good enough for me.
 
6 days ago  
RFID the mail in ballots.
 
6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: If voting by mail is good enough for Trump's press secretary, it's good enough for me.


His press secretary is female.
 
6 days ago  
Remember, absentee voting is totes OK, but vote-by-mail is the devil.
 
6 days ago  
I saw this on the nightly news a bit ago, I wish it wasn't a video but I can't find a transcript.
For states that haven't done massive mail-in voting before, there are a lot of hurdles to be able to do it. I'm kinda crushed.
Well worth listening to, you won't be surprised later.

nightly-news/video/key-election-offici​al-raises-alarm-over-expanded-mail-in-​voting-86385221668
 
6 days ago  
shiat, goofy Fark throwaway.
 
6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: If voting by mail is good enough for Trump's press secretary, it's good enough for me.


All the Trump staffers who have voted by mail.

Trump
Mike & Karen Pence
Ivanka & Jared
Kayleigh MAGAninny
Bill Barr
Betsy DeVos
Wilbur Ross
Larry Kudlow
Ronna McDaniel
Brad Parscale

It's fine for them.  Just not for YOU.
 
6 days ago  
Voting by Mail: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube l-nEHkgm_Gk
 
6 days ago  

fusillade762: Marcus Aurelius: If voting by mail is good enough for Trump's press secretary, it's good enough for me.

All the Trump staffers who have voted by mail.

Trump
Mike & Karen Pence
Ivanka & Jared
Kayleigh MAGAninny
Bill Barr
Betsy DeVos
Wilbur Ross
Larry Kudlow
Ronna McDaniel
Brad Parscale

It's fine for them.  Just not for YOU.


That's cause we'll vote wrong!
 
6 days ago  
Awww, poor whittle Rethuglican snowflakes don't like citizens voting.


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6 days ago  
 
6 days ago  
And thus begins the legal battle of a President who is terrified that he has so royally screwed the pooch that he is going to lose the election.

Only four months to go folks.  Your election process is about to get reamed so badly its going to need a cholostomy bag afterwards.
 
6 days ago  
PA, MI and WI were all really close in 2016. If those states flip - he's lost. Even if FL goes Trump.
 
6 days ago  
Remember when my state started mail in. It was the Dems having shiat fits.
 
6 days ago  
I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.
 
6 days ago  
Silly democrats, trying to bring letter openers to a steamroller fight.
 
6 days ago  

stuffy: Remember when my state started mail in. It was the Dems having shiat fits.


Then the Dems in your state were assholes too.
 
6 days ago  
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.


Regardless of how the election plays out I figure there's zero chance the orange bastard goes quietly.  He'll throw a temper tantrum like the spoiled child he is, and might even have to be literally dragged out kicking and screaming.
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.


Trump has no intention of leaving this to chance.
I warned America that if Trump was elected, it would be the end of our country, and I was right.
It's already over - you gave it away in 2016. America is done.
Oh, well - she had Emails, and reminded me of my unloving mother, so I wasn't inspired. Cest la vie.
 
6 days ago  
The mail in primary voting here in PA was the most farked up thing I have ever seen.. misprinted ballots all over the place..

My two neighbors, both Democrats who have lived here 20+ years and live in the same household, received ballots with different US and PA rep choices on it.
 
6 days ago  
All they have to do is not count them.
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.


I said on here months ago that if they try to postpone the election there will be mass-protests and riots in the streets.

Some farkers replied that there most certainly would not be mass protests and riots by basically saying that a whole lot of other shiat has happened before where people would be outraged and then just move on once the next distraction came along.

Well, if the past few weeks have proven anything.....
 
6 days ago  
Trumpanzees - you aren't fooling anybody.
All you know or care is that if the people vote, your side loses.
You would argue that giraffes fly if you thought it would serve that end.
 
6 days ago  
From TFA:

The Trump campaign and Republicans are seeking an order that would prohibit Pennsylvania from permitting absentee and mail-in ballots to be returned to locations other than the offices of the county boards of elections.


I'm actually OK with that.


/Pennsylvanian
 
6 days ago  

fusillade762: Marcus Aurelius: If voting by mail is good enough for Trump's press secretary, it's good enough for me.

All the Trump staffers who have voted by mail.

Trump
Mike & Karen Pence
Ivanka & Jared
Kayleigh MAGAninny
Bill Barr
Betsy DeVos
Wilbur Ross
Larry Kudlow
Ronna McDaniel
Brad Parscale

It's fine for them.  Just not for YOU.


That's what Trump said.
 
6 days ago  

Alien Robot: Voting fraud charges filed against Paterson councilman and councilman-elect

Close Results In Paterson Vote Plagued By Fraud Claims; Over 3K Ballots Seemingly Set Aside

1 in 5 Ballots Rejected as Fraud Is Charged in N.J. Mail-In Election


So they were able to detect the fraud?
 
6 days ago  

lindalouwho: Ain't gonna win that, some states have had mail-in voting for a while already.


But Hillary is colluding with China and Russia to hack the USPS so she can finally be president!
 
6 days ago  
There is a small element of comedy in this idiocy.

A relatively simple way to provide more convenience to voting is early voting -- live, in person voting at polling places, but on multiple days prior to election day, including weekends, so that people don't have to take off work to vote, or get crowded into long lines in the evening after they get out from work and hurry home.

In Pennsylvania, early voting was proposed. Republicans don't like early voting. They don't like making it easier for working people to vote. They don't like that black churches use Sunday voting to organize church members, to encourage them to vote, and to get them to the polls.

Republicans favor mail voting -- it makes it more convenient to vote in rural areas (which they see as their voter), makes it more convenient for snowbirds to vote (again, people that can afford two homes -- their voter).

So when PA's republican dominated legislature recently amended the election code to provide a form of early voting, what did they do? Mail in voting, to favor their voters.

Now their Trump-commanded base is complaining about the type of voting Republicans wanted and complain about the lack of in person voting safeguards --- which they would have had if they'd allowed the in person early voting Democrats preferred.

And they have to twist themselves into intellectually deficient twisty-ties while biatching about the voting their party preferred. Sad/comic face.
 
6 days ago  

way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html


Yep, but don't worry.  Next time we'll make sure they don't notice the fraud.
 
6 days ago  

way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html


And was caught immediately
 
6 days ago  
18,000 mail in ballots not counted in Florida.
 
6 days ago  
Estonia has had verified online voting since 2005. Get your shiat together, America.
 
6 days ago  

jso2897: Herr Morgenstern: I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.

Trump has no intention of leaving this to chance.
I warned America that if Trump was elected, it would be the end of our country, and I was right.
It's already over - you gave it away in 2016. America is done.
Oh, well - she had Emails, and reminded me of my unloving mother, so I wasn't inspired. Cest la vie.


Personally it feels to me like America was done sometime during the Reagan administration.  Once Nixon & Kissinger's pioneering in electoral shenanigans, deficit spending, deregulation, fearmongering, media takeover, rampant warmongering (and profiteering!), and winner-take-all politics within the 2-party system demolishing any remaining concept of a "loyal" opposition really got going in high gear, it was always going to be nigh impossible to wrench the far-right fascists from power.

I think in 2016-2020, they simply stopped pretending to be anything but far-right fascists, and decided they don't want to pay anymore for the bread & circuses that distracted us since 1980...
 
6 days ago  

exqqqme: PA, MI and WI were all really close in 2016. If those states flip - he's lost. Even if FL goes Trump.


I still say Biden - who was born in Scranton and for years was known as "Pennsylvania's Third Senator" - will win PA by 8 points. suing the counties to stop voting by mail - which turned out to be very popular in the primary election a few weeks back - might drive Biden's winning percentage up even more

/I voted by mail in the primary
//and will do so again in November
 
6 days ago  
Gosh, I just can't wait for this to be used ad nauseam by Trump and the GOP as proof that vote-by-mail can never be trusted.
 
6 days ago  

GrogSmash: And thus begins the legal battle of a President who is terrified that he has so royally screwed the pooch that he is going to lose the election.

Only four months to go folks.  Your election process is about to get reamed so badly its going to need a cholostomy bag afterwards.


I'll do walk in voting if I have to. I will be voting. This clown has got to go.
 
6 days ago  

qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately


How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.
 
6 days ago  
LYING SCUM.

trump, his family and everyone who supports him are lying scum.
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.


I expected a Trump royal sharpie proclamation forbidding all mail in voting
 
6 days ago  

WTFDYW: GrogSmash: And thus begins the legal battle of a President who is terrified that he has so royally screwed the pooch that he is going to lose the election.

Only four months to go folks.  Your election process is about to get reamed so badly its going to need a cholostomy bag afterwards.

I'll do walk in voting if I have to. I will be voting. This clown has got to go.


You are assuming walk-in voting will be allowed.

I don't know how, but I am willing to bet that is going to farked over as well, and some system put in place that only favors the rich, sorry, I mean assures the health and safety of the proud working class citizens, while ensuring that fraud is kept to a minimum.

Some sort of expensive prescreening that allows for online voting perhaps?  Also easily rigged.
 
6 days ago  
The incumbent will lose the popular and the electoral college by a landslide.  Before bedtime on election night there will be insufferable cries of interference, hacking, and widespread voting fraud.

/ it will be delicious.
 
6 days ago  
Interesting that the state GOP isn't mentioned as one of the parties. Wonder if it has to do with them mailing out vote by mail applications back in March.
 
6 days ago  
Personally, I am looking forward to the EPIC level shiatstorm that follows the election, as the Lame-Duck does everything in his power to invalid the results in his favour.

And when that fails...  what he does as his final 'scorched earth' retribution.
 
6 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.


Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.
 
6 days ago  
I just returned a covid relief check I found in the street. Fell out of someone's mail.

Probably the biggest problem is legal guardians - how many votes does an old folks home get?

Loved the 60 minutes piece last night interviewing  random Jane Blow from Oregon on the pros/cons of mail-in voting. Riveting, top-biatch journalism. 'Try it, you might like it!'

Let's postpone until there's a vaccine. Or boycott until we get a real choice.
 
6 days ago  
FTFA: They're also seeking an order that bars the county election board from counting absentee and mail-in ballots that "lack a secrecy envelope" or have any text or symbols on envelopes revealing the elector's identity, party affiliation or candidate preference.

So if I mail my ballot in with my return address on the postal envelope my ballot is void ?
I've been a life-long resident of PA, so I wouldn't be surprised.
 
6 days ago  
If you have to lie and cheat for your philosophy, maybe your philosophy is shiat.
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: RFID the mail in ballots.


They don't want to make elections secure, they want to prevent people from voting.  These are the same people who are ignoring foreign interference in our elections.  They want to win, how doesn't matter.  They don't have to attract more votes, if they can prevent people from voting for democrats.
 
6 days ago  
To be free and fair, elections must be transparent and verifiable.

Which is exactly what Republicans don't want to happen.
 
6 days ago  
Too late, Donny.
Oh, and when they hold you in prison prior to the execution of your sentence for war crimes, treason, and crimes against humanity, enjoy the few moments of freedom they give you when they pull you out to stand trial for tax fraud, mail fraud, and stonks manipulation, stripping you of any monetary credit you and your kin have left. They will body cavity search you coming and going.
 
6 days ago  

GrogSmash: Personally, I am looking forward to the EPIC level shiatstorm that follows the election, as the Lame-Duck does everything in his power to invalid the results in his favour.

And when that fails...  what he does as his final 'scorched earth' retribution.


I'm not. Perhaps it is a remnant of my family's own 'never forget, never forgive' mentality or maybe it is just because once in a while I read something other than Fark and the back of cereal boxes. But the Nero Decree was only prevented, in the end, because the horrified Speer knew what it would mean for Germany.

You think there is a Speer in the current White House, ready and willing to defy Hair Twitler? Our luck has been just spectacular so far ...
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.


You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.
 
6 days ago  

dwrash: The mail in primary voting here in PA was the most farked up thing I have ever seen.. misprinted ballots all over the place..

My two neighbors, both Democrats who have lived here 20+ years and live in the same household, received ballots with different US and PA rep choices on it.


No corruption in Pennsylvania.
Land of bought and paid for congressmen, cops, union thugs, and idiotic mobsters, bent on keeping the gambling action running on college ball hard enough to vaporize a DA who would have shiat down every thing.
Nope. No corruption in PA.
 
6 days ago  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: GrogSmash: Personally, I am looking forward to the EPIC level shiatstorm that follows the election, as the Lame-Duck does everything in his power to invalid the results in his favour.

And when that fails...  what he does as his final 'scorched earth' retribution.

I'm not. Perhaps it is a remnant of my family's own 'never forget, never forgive' mentality or maybe it is just because once in a while I read something other than Fark and the back of cereal boxes. But the Nero Decree was only prevented, in the end, because the horrified Speer knew what it would mean for Germany.

You think there is a Speer in the current White House, ready and willing to defy Hair Twitler? Our luck has been just spectacular so far ...


That is your only hope unfortunately...  that you have enough people willing to defy illegal orders, knowing what the consequences will be.

But most of those have been purged already.
 
6 days ago  

way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.


The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.
 
6 days ago  

way south: You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.


Disasters like the people who have the most support get the most votes winning elections?
 
6 days ago  
Trump is going to get even more desperate and unhinged. It's going to be a grade A shiatshow like you have never seen.
 
6 days ago  
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My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: GrogSmash: Personally, I am looking forward to the EPIC level shiatstorm that follows the election, as the Lame-Duck does everything in his power to invalid the results in his favour.

And when that fails...  what he does as his final 'scorched earth' retribution.

I'm not. Perhaps it is a remnant of my family's own 'never forget, never forgive' mentality or maybe it is just because once in a while I read something other than Fark and the back of cereal boxes. But the Nero Decree was only prevented, in the end, because the horrified Speer knew what it would mean for Germany.

You think there is a Speer in the current White House, ready and willing to defy Hair Twitler? Our luck has been just spectacular so far ...


And this was todays history lession.  I didn't realize Hilter had sgned such a decree, but it doesn't surprise me.

"If I can't have it, no oñe will."

Unfortunately, that rings true for another world leader..
 
6 days ago  

way south: You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.


I like the assumption that our current system isn't already a disaster.

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6 days ago  

jso2897: Herr Morgenstern: I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to halt the election, citing phoney voter fraud and coronavirus as their reasons. It will be... interesting to see how that goes over.

Trump has no intention of leaving this to chance.
I warned America that if Trump was elected, it would be the end of our country, and I was right.
It's already over - you gave it away in 2016. America is done.

Oh, well - she had Emails, and reminded me of my unloving mother, so I wasn't inspired. Cest la vie.


Eat my fark.  I believe in people to do the right thing.  Not for trump to do the right thing, but for the rest of us to do the right thing.  fark you and 'I told you so'.  farking pussy.
 
6 days ago  
I did absentee when I was in the military. I did absentee when I flew for airlines. I did absentee working for the federal government (traveled a lot). I've always just had jobs that meant I may not have been in town on election day. And at all of those jobs, my coworkers were conservative over liberal by about a 2:1 margin.

You're screwing everybody.
 
6 days ago  

GrogSmash: And this was todays history lession. I didn't realize Hilter had sgned such a decree, but it doesn't surprise me."If I can't have it, no oñe will."


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A must read.

The danger in reading it is that you might fall in love with Speer.

But, like the OSS guys who interrogated him said, "It's just a shame you weren't on our side".
 
6 days ago  
In 2016, Trump had to sweep FL, MI, PN, WI, MI... Hillary had to just win one of those states and she was in. He swept them. I remember monitoring the returns that night and she came in a bit light on the cities with little reporting from yet the rural counties. It was clear early in the evening that he won and she blew it big time.

It can happen again. Same challenge... Biden wins one and Trump falls.

Biden has a lock on a ton of delegate rich states. Trump sweeps the south.

Hillary barely gave any of those swing states attention because 'she was so far ahead in the national polls.'
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.


The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.


Well let's see how the voters feel about your zero fraud rate:

Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. "We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote," she said. "This is corruption. This is fraud."

Apparently the victims of fraud disagree that there was no fraud.
The test of the system isn't when you win, it's whether you still accept the results if you lose. If you lose and get a notice that your vote was discarded because of a mismatched signature, will you accept the outcome?Of course you won't. This becomes a new thing to biatch about.  A reason to contest the election and gum up the works, as happened....But you expect the other guy won't biatch, won't accuse you of fraud, won't cheat, and won't point to the same piles of discarded/missing/invalidated votes as proof they were short changed?That's short sighted to the point that it's bound to end in disaster. A contested election is the last thing anyone needs.
 
6 days ago  

way south: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

Well let's see how the voters feel about your zero fraud rate:

Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. "We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote," she said. "This is corruption. This is fraud."

Apparently the victims of fraud disagree that there was no fraud.
The test of the system isn't when you win, it's whether you still accept the results if you lose. If you lose and get a notice that your vote was discarded because of a mismatched signature, will you accept the outcome?Of course you won't. This becomes a new thing to biatch about.  A reason to contest the election and gum up the works, as happened....But you expect the other guy won't biatch, won't accuse you of fraud, won't cheat, and won't point to the same piles of discarded/missing/invalidated votes as proof they were short changed?That's short sighted to the point that it's bound to end in disaster. A contested election is the last thing anyone needs.


It's cute you think this upcoming election won't be contested either way.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.


So, the Dems were lying. Got it.
 
6 days ago  

way south: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

Well let's see how the voters feel about your zero fraud rate:

Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. "We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote," she said. "This is corruption. This is fraud."

Apparently the victims of fraud disagree that there was no fraud.
The test of the system isn't when you win, it's whether you still accept the results if you lose. If you lose and get a notice that your vote was discarded because of a mismatched signature, will you accept the outcome?Of course you won't. This becomes a new thing to biatch about.  A reason to contest the election and gum up the works, as happened....But you expect the other guy won't biatch, won't accuse you of fraud, won't cheat, and won't point to the same piles of discarded/missing/invalidated votes as proof they were short changed?That's short sighted to the point that it's bound to end in disaster. A contested election is the last thing anyone needs.


Are you implying that Trump will not contest it if he loses?
 
6 days ago  
Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes
 
6 days ago  

qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately


This one was. Alternatively they could just load them all into a large cargo van and wander around "lost" for a few hours on election night. Worked for GW.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.


The fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.
 
6 days ago  

Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes


Let's not forget that the only people caught doing anything like this were Republicans.
 
6 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.


Reaching, reaching, a little more...
 
6 days ago  

Fireproof: Are you implying that Trump won't contest if he loses?


I know you weren't asking me, but I don't think he will. Especially if it's not even close.

I think he wants out.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.


That's the thing though. If it's caught you say it didn't happen. If it's not caught you say it didn't happen...
 
6 days ago  

Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?


Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.
 
6 days ago  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: GrogSmash: And this was todays history lession. I didn't realize Hilter had sgned such a decree, but it doesn't surprise me."If I can't have it, no oñe will."

[Fark user image image 134x200]

A must read.

The danger in reading it is that you might fall in love with Speer.

But, like the OSS guys who interrogated him said, "It's just a shame you weren't on our side".


That might qualify as one of the few non-fiction books I might read.
 
6 days ago  
I bet it happens because people game the system at every opportunity.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.


Are you naive, or disingenuous?
 
6 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

So, the Dems were lying. Got it.


Lying about what?  Where are the fraudulent votes-by-mail that were actually counted in Paterson (or anywhere else) and threw the election?

Cry even harder.
 
6 days ago  

webron: RedVentrue: RFID the mail in ballots.

They don't want to make elections secure, they want to prevent people from voting.  These are the same people who are ignoring foreign interference in our elections.  They want to win, how doesn't matter.  They don't have to attract more votes, if they can prevent people from voting for democrats.


RFID removes the excuse they use to claim vulnerability.
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: webron: RedVentrue: RFID the mail in ballots.

They don't want to make elections secure, they want to prevent people from voting.  These are the same people who are ignoring foreign interference in our elections.  They want to win, how doesn't matter.  They don't have to attract more votes, if they can prevent people from voting for democrats.

RFID removes the excuse they use to claim vulnerability.


But but but... MARK OF THE BEAST!
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?


I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.
 
6 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.


Every time I read your name I think of this:

Degenerate
Youtube Gr5o63NZ3Rs


Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing.
 
6 days ago  

Gordon Bennett: Estonia has had verified online voting since 2005. Get your shiat together, America.


IIRC they also have completely digitized medical records so all your doctors have instant access to your history, records, and meds list without having to fill out 8 pages of tiny print forms every damn time you have an appt.

/ I actually got pissed and made a scene once talking my grandfather in to a eye care specialist for his macular degeneration and the forms were in tiny print and smudged like a crappy mimeograph. They treated me like I was nuts for expecting the forms to be readable and easy to fill out at a specialist dealing with elderly patients with freaking eye problems.
// End of rant
/// For now
 
6 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.


FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?
 
6 days ago  

cyberspacedout: Marcus Aurelius: If voting by mail is good enough for Trump's press secretary, it's good enough for me.

His press secretary is female.


Well that changes everything, mail in voting is terrible.  Women shouldn't have the right to vote!
 
6 days ago  
i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....
 
6 days ago  

GrogSmash: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: GrogSmash: And this was todays history lession. I didn't realize Hilter had sgned such a decree, but it doesn't surprise me."If I can't have it, no oñe will."

[Fark user image image 134x200]

A must read.

The danger in reading it is that you might fall in love with Speer.

But, like the OSS guys who interrogated him said, "It's just a shame you weren't on our side".

That might qualify as one of the few non-fiction books I might read.


His prison diaries are a good read too, and similarly revealing about the Third Reich's power-structure.

Gitta Sereny's book on him pretty much pops the balloon on the love fest that the West had with Speer - basically getting him to admit at the end of her numerous interviews to what he refused to confess to back in the day (knowingly using slave labor), and reminding readers that this "nice man" was also an evil man.

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6 days ago  
Kentucky still hasn't finished their counting for the election held a week ago.
 
6 days ago  

WTP 2: i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....


See why we say "Every accusation, a confession." ?
 
6 days ago  

jmr61: LYING SCUM.

trump, his family and everyone who supports him are lying scum.


No, they aren't.  Just deluded or have fallen prey to other cognitive faults.  Although, anyone who thinks Biden will be anything other than a placeholder and care-taker are probably going to be disappointed also. 

I was just texting a cousin of mine tonight.  She absolutely believes that Trump will get four more years and that eventually, we'll all come around to see how absolutely wonderful he was.  I really don't get it. She's not stupid.  But then again, she does believe that Soros is paying for all the BLM protests and that Coronavirus was cooked up in a lab in China. 

It would be one thing if there were any real debate going on about these things, but they're just conspiracy theories without any proof.  At best just some loudmouth on TV or Twitter or some other medium yelling about it and making insinuations.
 
6 days ago  

way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html


Republicans say "voter fraud" every time they lose an election.
Truth is, it's wealthy retirees (Republicans) who register to vote in 2 states.
And it's Republican operatives in North Carolina that perpetrated voter fraud.
//every accusation is an admission of guilt.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.


If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.
 
6 days ago  

WTP 2: i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....


Yet another deluded conservative who doesn't understand how vote-by-mail works.  Enjoy your federal prison sentence for attempted voter fraud.
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.


Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.
 
6 days ago  
I was under the impression that individual states control how they hold elections. I can't understand on what grounds a suit could be brought.

I hope the GOP gets smacked so hard, their great-grandkids feel
It.
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: If it's successful you won't see it by definition.


"The total lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!"

Classic Fark.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: WTP 2: i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....

Yet another deluded conservative who doesn't understand how vote-by-mail works.  Enjoy your federal prison sentence for attempted voter fraud.


You're supposed to use dead people. Dead people can't tell you they didn't receive a ballot and didn't vote.
 
6 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: RedVentrue: If it's successful you won't see it by definition.

"The total lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!"

Classic Fark.


Hi
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.


Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.
 
6 days ago  

way south: The test of the system isn't when you win, it's whether you still accept the results if you lose. If you lose and get a notice that your vote was discarded because of a mismatched signature, will you accept the outcome?Of course you won't. This becomes a new thing to biatch about.  A reason to contest the election and gum up the works, as happened....But you expect the other guy won't biatch, won't accuse you of fraud, won't cheat, and won't point to the same piles of discarded/missing/invalidated votes as proof they were short changed?That's short sighted to the point that it's bound to end in disaster. A contested election is the last thing anyone needs.



The fark are you blathering about?  Trump was crying fraud even while voting was going on, and farking won.
This time around, when he gets his ass beat in the electoral college, he's still going to cry fraud.

Your comments notwithstanding, it is not common for U.S. political candidates to cry fraud or dispute elections.  The man child in the White House is the anomaly here.
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.


There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov​/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.
 
6 days ago  

Fireproof: Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes

Let's not forget that the only people caught doing anything like this were Republicans.


Then you should be in favor of preventing it.
 
6 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I thought Fark just went over this about Covid testing. Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?
 
6 days ago  
/ I'm mailing-in my comment.
 
6 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I thought Fark just went over this about Covid testing. Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?


So you're basically using the exact same reasoning the Bush administration used to defend it's invasion of Iraq.  Just know that you are breathing some rarified air.
 
5 days ago  

Neondistraction: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I thought Fark just went over this about Covid testing. Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?

So you're basically using the exact same reasoning the ...


Umm... no. He used a bullshiat source to finish his daddy's war and I was against it myself. I'm talking about adding RFID to mail in ballots so they can be tracked and confirmed to be authentic.
 
5 days ago  

lindalouwho: Ain't gonna win that, some states have had mail-in voting for a while already.


IANAL, but I would assume any reasonable judge would ask the MAGAts about those states, and why they hadn't sued them as well.

If they want to stop mail-in balloting, they should show that it's flawed EVERYWHERE, with proof to back up their assertions.
 
5 days ago  

Not_Todd: Fireproof: Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes

Let's not forget that the only people caught doing anything like this were Republicans.

Then you should be in favor of preventing it.


I'm currently more concerned about catching the coronavirus while voting in person that someone showing up at my door with some BS about "I'm with the state. I'm here to pick up your ballot, and it's definitely not like that other incident that made national news that this sounds exactly like."
 
5 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: RedVentrue: If it's successful you won't see it by definition.

"The total lack of evidence only proves how deep the conspiracy goes!"

Classic Fark.


"Al Capone was just a simple used furniture dealer who forgot to pay taxes on some sales. There's no evidence he was involved in a violent criminal enterprise. Total good guy all around."

Classic Fark.
 
5 days ago  

Alien Robot: "Al Capone was just a simple used furniture dealer who forgot to pay taxes on some sales. There's no evidence he was involved in a violent criminal enterprise. Total good guy all around."

Classic Fark.


lol sure
 
5 days ago  

wademh: Kentucky still hasn't finished their counting for the election held a week ago.


They have now.

/Or, you know, close enough to declare a winner
 
5 days ago  

RedVentrue: Why are you so against safeguarding the electoral system?


When did you stop beating your wife?
 
5 days ago  

RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: WTP 2: i like the mail in vote,
now my parents, siblings and kids will all be voting for Trump,
i pick up their mail.
thanks dems.....

Yet another deluded conservative who doesn't understand how vote-by-mail works.  Enjoy your federal prison sentence for attempted voter fraud.

You're supposed to use dead people. Dead people can't tell you they didn't receive a ballot and didn't vote.

both parents are gone, one brother is also, and the kids aren't looking good....
 
5 days ago  

Not_Todd: Absentee voting is not the same as voting by mail. You have to request an absentee ballot. With vote-by-mail every name on the registered voter list gets sent a ballot. If that list has not been updated (and the one in LA, for example, has not been culled in over 20 years), then there will be lots of ballots sent to the last address of people who have died or moved out of state. Collecting these ballots, filling them out with a straight-line Democrat ticket, and handing them in with no checking to see if they are valid is what "ballot harvesting" is all about.

/ It's almost like PA is a battleground state and they know they can't win without suppressing the vote fake votes


Wrong.

Each cast ballot is placed in two nested envelopes. The outer envelope has the voter's name and address, which can be checked against the list of registered voters to eliminate duplicate or invalid votes. If the vote is valid, the blank inner envelope inside is then set aside to be counted without revealing any voter's identity.
 
5 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

So, the Dems were lying. Got it.

Lying about what?  Where are the fraudulent votes-by-mail that were actually counted in Paterson (or anywhere else) and threw the election?

Cry even harder.


The lie was "There is no voter fraud. It's all in the imaginations of Republicans." It's been repeated over and over again on every talking head show and by the dullards on this site.

You really should keep up.
 
5 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

So, the Dems were lying. Got it.

Lying about what?  Where are the fraudulent votes-by-mail that were actually counted in Paterson (or anywhere else) and threw the election?

Cry even harder.

The lie was "There is no voter fraud. It's all in the imaginations of Republicans." It's been repeated over and over again on every talking head show and by the dullards on this site.

You really should keep up.


The issue is whether vote-by-mail is vulnerable to significant fraud.  You have nothing.  Cry me a river, but first put those goalposts back where you found them.
 
5 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.

FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?


52 U.S. Code §20511 disagrees with you. Once the vote is made, the crime has been committed, not attempted.
 
5 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.


translation: Vote fraud doesn't exist except for when it does.
 
5 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.

FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?

52 U.S. Code §20511 disagrees with you. Once the vote is made, the crime has been committed, not attempted.


Irrelevant to my question, since attempted bank robbery and attempted voter fraud are both crimes.  Since you couldn't answer, though, I'll answer myself.  The bank loses as much money in an attempted robbery as there are votes successfully cast in an attempted voter fraud scheme.
 
5 days ago  

Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

translation: Vote fraud doesn't exist except for when it does.


And?
 
4 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: qorkfiend: way south: So this happened...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020​/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_​mail-in_election_515452.html

And was caught immediately

How can something be caught that the Dems have maintained doesn't exist? That would be a neat trick.

Examples like this, which you pants-wetting conservatives claim is proof of fraud, instead prove that vote-by-mail works at both detecting fraud attempts and identifying the perpetrators.

Cry harder.

You consider a 20% fraud rate acceptable?

What happens if you hold an election with such a questionable turnout, but it does not go the way you want and Trump wins.  Will you accept the outcome or rant about Russian/Chinese/alien collision for the next four years?
Will you condone a leftist shooting the place up in anger because they saw reports of a bunch of ballots getting dumped? Will you call for endless investigations and recounts?
I suspect it wouldn't go down well with the fark crowd.

We still have people crying foul over the last election when most polls had far fewer issues.
You're mad if you think this isn't going to end in disaster.

The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The attempted fraud occured the moment the ballot was cast so it wasn't a zero rate.

FTFY.

Quick question:  How much money is lost in attempted bank robberies?

52 U.S. Code §20511 disagrees with you. Once the vote is made, the crime has been committed, not attempted.

Irrelevant to my question, since attempted bank robbery and attempted voter fraud are both crimes.  Since you couldn't answer, though, I'll answer myself.  The bank loses as much money in an attempted robbery as there are votes successfully cast in an attempted voter fraud scheme.


Deflect all you want by asking questions unrelated to your claim that there is no fraud. You may have just as well asked if cars usually have rubber tires or square teeth on them or why zebras have stripes instead of spots.
 
4 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: Benjimin_Dover: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: RedVentrue: common sense is an oxymoron: Alien Robot: common sense is an oxymoron: The actual fraud rate was zero.  These bozos got caught because the vote-by-mail system worked.

The USCBP and Coast Guard catches all the drugs that cross the border. They are no foreign drugs in America. It's all domestic production. Every time they catch a shipment, that's proof the drug interdiction system works perfectly. None slip through. Amirite?

Worst.  Analogy.  Ever.

Do you think you don't need to register in order to vote by mail?  Or that each ballot received isn't checked against that list of registered voters?

If sowing paranoia over a delusion is your go-to strategy at this point, it might be a long election night for the red team.

Are you naive, or disingenuous?

I have yet to see any evidence of successful vote-by-mail fraud.  What I have seen is a lot of delusion-based paranoia over allowing as many registered voters to cast ballots as possible.

If it's successful you won't see it by definition. I guess I have more faith in humanity to be dirty lying shiatbags.

Conservatives have yet to explain how voting by mail is more susceptible to fraud than voting in person.

Not a conservative, but vote by mail ballots are out of custody of the election staff and and more easily switched/ stolen.

There have been nearly 50 million general-election ballots cast in vote-by-mail states.  The Heritage Foundation lists 29 cases of vote-by-mail fraud among them.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/​2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-​by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outwe​igh-the-risks/

The problem you're worried about doesn't exist.

translation: Vote fraud doesn't exist except for when it does.

And?


But?

I can post one word questions too.
 
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