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(Daily Star)   Chernobyl secret documents released for first time in 34 years from the world's biggest-ever nuclear accident show that the Soviet cover-up was bigger than thought. It happened before the time they said it did and had already spread across Europe (possible nsfw content on page)   (dailystar.co.uk) divider line
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2020-06-29 4:31:12 PM  
32 votes:
Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.
 
2020-06-29 4:25:57 PM  
24 votes:
Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.
 
2020-06-29 4:26:21 PM  
17 votes:
The Poles knew and tried to take measures to protect their children.
 
2020-06-29 4:40:58 PM  
15 votes:

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...


As you grow older you learn the true wisdom.
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2020-06-29 4:45:44 PM  
13 votes:

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.



When your ideology is based on the infallibility of The Party/The Great Leader/The Bigly Dealmaking man, or on historical inevitability, then admitting that you've ever made one mistake forces the entire house of cards to collapse.
 
2020-06-29 4:43:30 PM  
8 votes:

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.


It worked for Obama didn't it?
 
2020-06-29 7:38:51 PM  
7 votes:

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.


As far as trump is concerned:

His primary rules are: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

/Sadly, it's actually not a quote about trump... It was the psychological analysis the US wrote about Hitler.
 
2020-06-29 5:02:42 PM  
7 votes:
I think we all know that one day a similar report will come out regarding how our government farked up the response to this pandemic. I remember when I was younger and everyone used to mock the communist countries for having such malicious and self serving leaders, and all those party members just going along with the leader and screwing over the people. It makes me think of some Bob Dylan lyrics.
"Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud"
 
2020-06-29 4:47:20 PM  
7 votes:
No shiat.

The record of national governments (all of them, not just Russia and China and us) being truthful about disasters is not confidence-inspiring.

What I've learned from "9/11," Katrina, the current disaster of an administration is, whatever is going on, assume the government knew about it before it became public, and it's worse than they are letting on.
 
2020-06-29 4:21:38 PM  
7 votes:
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2020-06-29 4:58:31 PM  
6 votes:

Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?


[citation needed]
 
2020-06-29 7:45:47 PM  
5 votes:

Paddy: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.

As far as trump is concerned:

His primary rules are: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

/Sadly, it's actually not a quote about trump... It was the psychological analysis the US wrote about Hitler.


It's not just Trump. It's every political and business leader in the world, it's every peon that doesn't want to risk losing their job, and it's everyone in between. People have lost the ability to take responsibilities for their actions and accept the consequences (assuming we could do that in the first place).
 
2020-06-29 6:33:13 PM  
5 votes:
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2020-06-29 5:34:37 PM  
5 votes:

erik-k: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Not nearly as likely as you might think.

However many of those involved in the early stages of the cleanup did suffer serious cumulative radiation dose. More often than giving them cancer, its basically aged them... When interview ca 2010 around age 50 they all looked 75. Which is sort of like what you might expect if your body was forced to burn through half a lifetime of radiation repair in a few weeks.


In all fairness, living in Eastern Bloc Europe will age you 75 years in 50.
 
2020-06-29 4:46:02 PM  
5 votes:

Ivo Shandor: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

As you grow older you learn the true wisdom.
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"Write 3 letters"
/obscure
 
2020-06-29 4:41:57 PM  
4 votes:

GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...


Not nearly as likely as you might think.

However many of those involved in the early stages of the cleanup did suffer serious cumulative radiation dose. More often than giving them cancer, its basically aged them... When interview ca 2010 around age 50 they all looked 75. Which is sort of like what you might expect if your body was forced to burn through half a lifetime of radiation repair in a few weeks.
 
2020-06-29 11:54:17 PM  
3 votes:

Gordon Bennett: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.

Possibly iodine, yes.  One of the big contaminants was a potasium isotope, which binds in the body as happily as iodine, especially in the thyroid gland.  The iodine suppliments flood your system with 'normal' iodine to help prevent that.

The Irish government once supplied those to the public as a terrifying preventative measure.

[Fark user image image 850x637]


I know they hand them out to everyone in Canada who lives within a certain radius of nuclear reactors.
 
2020-06-29 7:43:43 PM  
3 votes:

rcain: OlderGuy: rcain: OlderGuy: Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.

Do you always hurp so hard when you derp?

Annd a typical lib response.... go back to your playground, child.

ya... typical "Lib" response. A "lib" being anyone that is even remotely "left" of being a white nationalist cretin who doesn't jerk off daily to FOX, OANN and other right wing propaganda outlets

Keep on keeping on spewingyour precious "talking points" without a shred of proof to back it up, clown child


Does your mommy know that you are on her keyboard again ?    You like those spankings, though...
 
2020-06-29 7:29:40 PM  
3 votes:

GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.

Possibly iodine, yes.  One of the big contaminants was a potasium isotope, which binds in the body as happily as iodine, especially in the thyroid gland.  The iodine suppliments flood your system with 'normal' iodine to help prevent that.


The Irish government once supplied those to the public as a terrifying preventative measure.

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2020-06-29 5:21:28 PM  
3 votes:

rcain: OlderGuy: Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.

Do you always hurp so hard when you derp?


Annd a typical lib response.... go back to your playground, child.
 
2020-06-29 5:10:07 PM  
3 votes:

erik-k: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Not nearly as likely as you might think.

However many of those involved in the early stages of the cleanup did suffer serious cumulative radiation dose. More often than giving them cancer, its basically aged them... When interview ca 2010 around age 50 they all looked 75. Which is sort of like what you might expect if your body was forced to burn through half a lifetime of radiation repair in a few weeks.


Hell of the three divers that went into the flooded basement to release the reservoirs, two are still alive and one died in 2005 of a heart attack.
 
2020-06-30 1:53:39 AM  
2 votes:
In the aftermath of Chernobyl's Reactor 4 exploding on April 26, 1986, thousands of people died from radiation poisoning or conditions related to radiation,

Stopped reading about here. There is nothing like thousands of people dead from radiation poisoning or conditions related to radiation.

There are about 60 real deaths and about as many projections with any number from low hundreds to tens of thousands, depending on which propaganda outlet one chooses to believe.
 
2020-06-29 8:11:41 PM  
2 votes:

Gordon Bennett: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.

Possibly iodine, yes.  One of the big contaminants was a potasium isotope, which binds in the body as happily as iodine, especially in the thyroid gland.  The iodine suppliments flood your system with 'normal' iodine to help prevent that.

The Irish government once supplied those to the public as a terrifying preventative measure.

[Fark user image image 850x637]


Those are only needed for a short time after an accident because the radioactive isotope of iodine decays quickly. If someone has been taking a drug for years then it's something different.
 
2020-06-29 7:37:39 PM  
2 votes:

whatisaidwas: Jake Havechek: Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?

[citation needed]

No, it's not.
_You_ know what he covered up.


No, I'm pretty sure we all knew he was a black man who wore a tan suit a couple times and liked Dijon mustard on his burgers.
 
2020-06-29 6:48:21 PM  
2 votes:

jim32rr: I was stationed in W.Germany at the time, I remember the street markets being empty and people staying inside more. Strange days indeed.


Boxed milk & no leafy greens weird.
 
2020-06-29 6:12:58 PM  
2 votes:

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.


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2020-06-29 5:44:41 PM  
2 votes:

whatisaidwas: Jake Havechek: Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?

[citation needed]

No, it's not.
_You_ know what he covered up.


Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't a good cover-up preclude that?

This is Obamma after all, not the Orange Monkey.
 
2020-06-29 5:08:26 PM  
2 votes:
Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.
 
2020-06-29 4:48:25 PM  
2 votes:
So... all Europeaners are radioactive scorch people?

That explains a lot.
 
2020-06-29 4:38:50 PM  
2 votes:

Nobody in Peculiar: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.


Possibly iodine, yes.  One of the big contaminants was a potasium isotope, which binds in the body as happily as iodine, especially in the thyroid gland.  The iodine suppliments flood your system with 'normal' iodine to help prevent that.
 
2020-06-29 4:36:41 PM  
2 votes:
I was stationed in W.Germany at the time, I remember the street markets being empty and people staying inside more. Strange days indeed.
 
2020-06-29 4:26:37 PM  
2 votes:

ObscureNameHere: The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...


I'm replaying Stalker via Call of Chernobyl, so I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.
 
2020-06-29 3:59:04 PM  
2 votes:
Some of the documents featured in the new book allegedly say accidents happened at the plant even before the accident.

That's some fine writing there, Lou.
 
2020-06-30 1:31:49 AM  
1 vote:

Iczer: Kit Fister: ObscureNameHere: The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...

I'm replaying Stalker via Call of Chernobyl, so I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.

I have at least one of that series on Steam and can't play it for very long. Radiation is one of those things that scares the ever loving shiat out of me. I know it's everywhere in minute levels and isn't always lethal, but the way it kills just completely farks with me. About 30 minutes into the game and I get to an anomalous zone and that Geiger counter starts rapidly ticking away...


In STALAKER when you die of radiation they need to have a microwave ding.
 
2020-06-29 11:09:26 PM  
1 vote:

atomic-age: whatisaidwas: Jake Havechek: whatisaidwas: Jake Havechek: Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?

[citation needed]

No, it's not.
_You_ know what he covered up.

No, I'm pretty sure we all knew he was a black man who wore a tan suit a couple times and liked Dijon mustard on his burgers.

The gall of that man.  Like he owned the place.

Eating crackers in bed?

Sounds a bit rude.


That,s kind of overboard... accusing Obama of being a cannibal......besides, he can't go back..
 
2020-06-29 9:05:48 PM  
1 vote:

gopher321: [Fark user image 500x247]


Not great, not terrible.


/just here for the Chernobyl memes
 
2020-06-29 7:08:11 PM  
1 vote:
And if it was 34 years ago, we could probably do something about it.
 
2020-06-29 6:38:06 PM  
1 vote:
What book are they referencing in the article. I couldn't get through all of it with the zillions of ads and videos (even with ad-blocker turned all the way up).
 
2020-06-29 5:36:46 PM  
1 vote:

Jake Havechek: Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?

[citation needed]


No, it's not.
_You_ know what he covered up.
 
2020-06-29 4:59:53 PM  
1 vote:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: No shiat.

The record of national governments (all of them, not just Russia and China and us) being truthful about disasters is not confidence-inspiring.

What I've learned from "9/11," Katrina, the current disaster of an administration is, whatever is going on, assume the government knew about it before it became public, and it's worse than they are letting on.


Or, just as bad, they SHOULD have known, since they've spent billions prepping for Disaster X...and were just too inept to actually deal with it when it happened.

/official ineptitude can kill you just as dead as official malice
 
2020-06-29 4:48:54 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: ObscureNameHere: The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...

I'm replaying Stalker via Call of Chernobyl, so I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.


I have at least one of that series on Steam and can't play it for very long. Radiation is one of those things that scares the ever loving shiat out of me. I know it's everywhere in minute levels and isn't always lethal, but the way it kills just completely farks with me. About 30 minutes into the game and I get to an anomalous zone and that Geiger counter starts rapidly ticking away...
 
2020-06-29 4:35:25 PM  
1 vote:

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.


^^^^^^^
Veritas
 
2020-06-29 4:27:11 PM  
1 vote:

Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.


So long since dead then...
 
2020-06-29 4:21:21 PM  
1 vote:
So it was never great, and always terrible?
 
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