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(Daily Star)   Chernobyl secret documents released for first time in 34 years from the world's biggest-ever nuclear accident show that the Soviet cover-up was bigger than thought. It happened before the time they said it did and had already spread across Europe (possible nsfw content on page)   (dailystar.co.uk) divider line
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2020-06-29 3:55:05 PM  
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2020-06-29 3:59:04 PM  
Some of the documents featured in the new book allegedly say accidents happened at the plant even before the accident.

That's some fine writing there, Lou.
 
2020-06-29 4:21:21 PM  
So it was never great, and always terrible?
 
2020-06-29 4:21:38 PM  
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2020-06-29 4:22:25 PM  
The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...
 
2020-06-29 4:25:57 PM  
Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.
 
2020-06-29 4:25:57 PM  
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Peanut butter and graphite sandwich, anyone?
 
2020-06-29 4:26:21 PM  
The Poles knew and tried to take measures to protect their children.
 
2020-06-29 4:26:37 PM  

ObscureNameHere: The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...


I'm replaying Stalker via Call of Chernobyl, so I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.
 
2020-06-29 4:27:11 PM  
yes.. The Star has all the troothiness.
 
2020-06-29 4:27:11 PM  

Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.


So long since dead then...
 
2020-06-29 4:31:12 PM  
Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.
 
2020-06-29 4:32:11 PM  
FUKOOOOOOOV!!!
 
2020-06-29 4:32:28 PM  

GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...


Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.
 
2020-06-29 4:35:25 PM  

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.


^^^^^^^
Veritas
 
2020-06-29 4:36:41 PM  
I was stationed in W.Germany at the time, I remember the street markets being empty and people staying inside more. Strange days indeed.
 
2020-06-29 4:38:50 PM  

Nobody in Peculiar: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.


Possibly iodine, yes.  One of the big contaminants was a potasium isotope, which binds in the body as happily as iodine, especially in the thyroid gland.  The iodine suppliments flood your system with 'normal' iodine to help prevent that.
 
2020-06-29 4:40:58 PM  

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...


As you grow older you learn the true wisdom.
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2020-06-29 4:41:57 PM  

GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...


Not nearly as likely as you might think.

However many of those involved in the early stages of the cleanup did suffer serious cumulative radiation dose. More often than giving them cancer, its basically aged them... When interview ca 2010 around age 50 they all looked 75. Which is sort of like what you might expect if your body was forced to burn through half a lifetime of radiation repair in a few weeks.
 
2020-06-29 4:43:30 PM  

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.


It worked for Obama didn't it?
 
2020-06-29 4:45:44 PM  

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.



When your ideology is based on the infallibility of The Party/The Great Leader/The Bigly Dealmaking man, or on historical inevitability, then admitting that you've ever made one mistake forces the entire house of cards to collapse.
 
2020-06-29 4:46:02 PM  

Ivo Shandor: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

As you grow older you learn the true wisdom.
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"Write 3 letters"
/obscure
 
2020-06-29 4:47:20 PM  
No shiat.

The record of national governments (all of them, not just Russia and China and us) being truthful about disasters is not confidence-inspiring.

What I've learned from "9/11," Katrina, the current disaster of an administration is, whatever is going on, assume the government knew about it before it became public, and it's worse than they are letting on.
 
2020-06-29 4:48:25 PM  
So... all Europeaners are radioactive scorch people?

That explains a lot.
 
2020-06-29 4:48:54 PM  

Kit Fister: ObscureNameHere: The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...

I'm replaying Stalker via Call of Chernobyl, so I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.


I have at least one of that series on Steam and can't play it for very long. Radiation is one of those things that scares the ever loving shiat out of me. I know it's everywhere in minute levels and isn't always lethal, but the way it kills just completely farks with me. About 30 minutes into the game and I get to an anomalous zone and that Geiger counter starts rapidly ticking away...
 
2020-06-29 4:58:31 PM  

Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?


[citation needed]
 
2020-06-29 4:59:53 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: No shiat.

The record of national governments (all of them, not just Russia and China and us) being truthful about disasters is not confidence-inspiring.

What I've learned from "9/11," Katrina, the current disaster of an administration is, whatever is going on, assume the government knew about it before it became public, and it's worse than they are letting on.


Or, just as bad, they SHOULD have known, since they've spent billions prepping for Disaster X...and were just too inept to actually deal with it when it happened.

/official ineptitude can kill you just as dead as official malice
 
2020-06-29 5:02:42 PM  
I think we all know that one day a similar report will come out regarding how our government farked up the response to this pandemic. I remember when I was younger and everyone used to mock the communist countries for having such malicious and self serving leaders, and all those party members just going along with the leader and screwing over the people. It makes me think of some Bob Dylan lyrics.
"Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud"
 
2020-06-29 5:08:26 PM  
Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.
 
2020-06-29 5:10:07 PM  

erik-k: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Not nearly as likely as you might think.

However many of those involved in the early stages of the cleanup did suffer serious cumulative radiation dose. More often than giving them cancer, its basically aged them... When interview ca 2010 around age 50 they all looked 75. Which is sort of like what you might expect if your body was forced to burn through half a lifetime of radiation repair in a few weeks.


Hell of the three divers that went into the flooded basement to release the reservoirs, two are still alive and one died in 2005 of a heart attack.
 
2020-06-29 5:10:41 PM  
I'm shocked!

/not shocked
 
2020-06-29 5:11:36 PM  

OlderGuy: Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.


Do you always hurp so hard when you derp?
 
2020-06-29 5:21:28 PM  

rcain: OlderGuy: Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.

Do you always hurp so hard when you derp?


Annd a typical lib response.... go back to your playground, child.
 
2020-06-29 5:22:50 PM  

Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?


Plus the uppitiness.  He really brought the office down.
Shamed by a non citizen.
 
2020-06-29 5:31:47 PM  

GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...


don't dead open inside
 
2020-06-29 5:34:37 PM  

erik-k: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Not nearly as likely as you might think.

However many of those involved in the early stages of the cleanup did suffer serious cumulative radiation dose. More often than giving them cancer, its basically aged them... When interview ca 2010 around age 50 they all looked 75. Which is sort of like what you might expect if your body was forced to burn through half a lifetime of radiation repair in a few weeks.


In all fairness, living in Eastern Bloc Europe will age you 75 years in 50.
 
2020-06-29 5:35:55 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Some of the documents featured in the new book allegedly say accidents happened at the plant even before the accident.

That's some fine writing there, Lou.


This is just viral marketing for Tenet trying to keep up hype for the delayed release...
 
2020-06-29 5:36:46 PM  

Jake Havechek: Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?

[citation needed]


No, it's not.
_You_ know what he covered up.
 
2020-06-29 5:38:12 PM  

Iczer: Kit Fister: ObscureNameHere: The person who released these better hope they don't get a S.T.A.L.K.E.R on the Metro...

I'm replaying Stalker via Call of Chernobyl, so I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.

I have at least one of that series on Steam and can't play it for very long. Radiation is one of those things that scares the ever loving shiat out of me. I know it's everywhere in minute levels and isn't always lethal, but the way it kills just completely farks with me. About 30 minutes into the game and I get to an anomalous zone and that Geiger counter starts rapidly ticking away...


It's only 3.6 Roentgen. And there's no graphite on the ground.
 
2020-06-29 5:44:41 PM  

whatisaidwas: Jake Havechek: Alien Robot: vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up.

It worked for Obama didn't it?

[citation needed]

No, it's not.
_You_ know what he covered up.


Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't a good cover-up preclude that?

This is Obamma after all, not the Orange Monkey.
 
2020-06-29 6:12:58 PM  

vevolis: Why do we have to perpetually cover @#$! up. We learned at a young age that honesty and accountability can solve problems quickly and circumvent larger, longer drawn out issues...

But a sea of grown-ass adults can't do the same? Covid wouldn't have been so horrible. Chernobyl wouldn't have been so horrible. Pretty much every major incident past and present wouldn't have been so horrible. Pride is a weak source of vigor.


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2020-06-29 6:29:18 PM  
That article was terrible.  Not. Great.  Terrible.
 
2020-06-29 6:33:13 PM  
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2020-06-29 6:38:06 PM  
What book are they referencing in the article. I couldn't get through all of it with the zillions of ads and videos (even with ad-blocker turned all the way up).
 
2020-06-29 6:48:21 PM  

jim32rr: I was stationed in W.Germany at the time, I remember the street markets being empty and people staying inside more. Strange days indeed.


Boxed milk & no leafy greens weird.
 
2020-06-29 6:52:40 PM  

OlderGuy: rcain: OlderGuy: Well, we now where Xi got his domination plans from...   don't think Covid is an accident.

Do you always hurp so hard when you derp?

Annd a typical lib response.... go back to your playground, child.


ya... typical "Lib" response. A "lib" being anyone that is even remotely "left" of being a white nationalist cretin who doesn't jerk off daily to FOX, OANN and other right wing propaganda outlets

Keep on keeping on spewingyour precious "talking points" without a shred of proof to back it up, clown child
 
2020-06-29 7:02:39 PM  

badcommand: What book are they referencing in the article. I couldn't get through all of it with the zillions of ads and videos (even with ad-blocker turned all the way up).


There wasn't anything mentioned about the book other than it will include information from newly released documents.  I couldn't imagine it will be really earth shattering since there was a lot of information released by Boris Yeltsin after he became President if Russia.  I can't imagine it'll be much better than Midnight In Chernobyl.
 
2020-06-29 7:08:11 PM  
And if it was 34 years ago, we could probably do something about it.
 
2020-06-29 7:29:40 PM  

GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: GrogSmash: Nobody in Peculiar: Back in the 90s, I worked with a Ukrainian guy who was actively involved in the cleanup at Chernobyl. He was saying all of this back then.

So long since dead then...

Couldn't say for sure. The last time I saw him was about 10 years ago when we both applied for the same job at another company (he got the job, the bastage). He's been taking some sort of anti-radiation drug (iodine based?) since the accident. I don't know how well that type of drug works though.

Possibly iodine, yes.  One of the big contaminants was a potasium isotope, which binds in the body as happily as iodine, especially in the thyroid gland.  The iodine suppliments flood your system with 'normal' iodine to help prevent that.


The Irish government once supplied those to the public as a terrifying preventative measure.

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2020-06-29 7:34:49 PM  

AbuHashish: jim32rr: I was stationed in W.Germany at the time, I remember the street markets being empty and people staying inside more. Strange days indeed.

Boxed milk & no leafy greens weird.


I don't recall, was hanging out with your cousin (Something, Something Hashish) back then though.
 
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