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(MSN)   Why was China able to get the coronavirus under control in February? Because they weren't dealing with the highly infectious "G" version that took over the world in March   (msn.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
77 votes:
Asian countries don't have insane anti-mask populations.  That helps too.
 
6 days ago  
42 votes:
It wasn't because they welded the doors shut of apartment buildings? Because I figured it was that.
 
6 days ago  
33 votes:
That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""
 
6 days ago  
29 votes:
Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.
 
6 days ago  
25 votes:

great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.


At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.
 
6 days ago  
16 votes:

arrogantbastich: It wasn't because they welded the doors shut of apartment buildings? Because I figured it was that.


was going to bring up the whole welding people into their own apartment buildings, plus that rumour they were prematurely cremating lost cause victims to free up beds for the next round of patients.
 
6 days ago  
14 votes:
China is willing and able to enforce extremely strict quarantine measures on its population, far more than can be done in the Western world. Nobody in China is going to sue the government or say the police don't have the right to arrest them for not wearing a mask.

That and there is no watchdog to ensure the CCP was telling the truth about how bad it got in the first place. While I'm sure it wasn't as bad as some people in the West were saying, it was certainly worse than what the CCP claimed.

We have to remember, the primary victims of the Chinese government are the Chinese people.
 
6 days ago  
12 votes:
great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.


Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?
 
6 days ago  
10 votes:
If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.
 
6 days ago  
10 votes:
Or maybe they're lying about it being under control? I know that would hard to believe but it's possible.
 
6 days ago  
9 votes:

aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!


They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.
 
6 days ago  
7 votes:

Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?


Look at it this way... when you are so invested in a particular viewpoint, so tribal that the only thing that matters is your team "winning", you are afraid of any sort of new and founded information because it might destroy what you have chosen to mentally invest in. Things get to the point where you can not make a rational arguments because all the information shows how wrong you have been the entire time, so the only thing left to do is try to discredit or tear down the "opposition". Since you have nothing factual to stand on, you bring in sides and emotion to try sway others or counter rational, fact based points.
You say stupid schitt and make schitt up because you can't admit that you were wrong and never knew what you were talking about. Look for a red hat, it's a good indicator...
It is also a pretty good indication that you are a farking moron.
 
6 days ago  
7 votes:
I believe the more likely cause is that the Chinese must do what their government orders, for the most part.
 
6 days ago  
6 votes:
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6 days ago  
6 votes:
Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.
 
6 days ago  
6 votes:
The G virus?
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6 days ago  
6 votes:
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6 days ago  
6 votes:
nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.
 
6 days ago  
5 votes:
I was watching a documentary a few years back, about a virus that broke out of containment and devastated the remote, underground laboratory that had been studying it.  But that was the "T" form of the virus.  A little later, a more infectious "G-virus" appeared and basically wiped an entire American city off the map.

It looks like history is repeating itself.
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:

Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.


The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:

GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.

The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.


Not the first disease to do that. Heck, there are diseases where your immune system just attacks you. (Lupus, for example.)
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:
China is better at controlling any type of virus because of their low regard for human rights. Contageous disease spreading? No problem for a country that can wield people into their apartments and haul people off to undisclosed locations for caughing in public.

Viral diseases are horrible for the US because  necessary measures to stop a pandemic are antithetical to its very framework. The right to assemble is legally granted in the first amemndment. Anti-authorianism is so much a part of the Untied States that we've seen both the right and left wings of the political spectrum convene and protest in public for what each side believes is an unjust exercise of government power.

Sometimes features become bugs.
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:
Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one."

This is really the part that matters, but don't you dare try to science in a red state or a MAGAteer. Them masks is tireany, a hoax and kinnin' peoples!


great_tigers: NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.

What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.


Speaking of dipschittery... didn't we see you sleeping on a plane the other day?
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:

flucto: I mean, sure all that, but there's also "they get shot if they don't cooperate."  Which might work in Texas. Just sayin.


They see that an armed society is a polite society. They say that it's only polite to wear a mask in public.

The answer is clear. Everybody gets a gun, and if somebody is not wearing their masks, you get to shoot them.

If they sneeze on you, you get to shoot them in the stomach and watch them slowly die.

Come on people, how is this so complicated?
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:

Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.


There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:

BumpInTheNight: arrogantbastich: It wasn't because they welded the doors shut of apartment buildings? Because I figured it was that.

was going to bring up the whole welding people into their own apartment buildings, plus that rumour they were prematurely cremating lost cause victims to free up beds for the next round of patients.


You could see the smoke from space.

Plus a bullet to the head isn't a covid death.
 
6 days ago  
4 votes:

great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.


this is god's punishment for electing trump
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:

bikkurikun: It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.


Okay comrade.
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:

tyyreaunn: Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?


To me? Kind of, yes. Because they "suggest" and the point of peer review is to point out things that could look significant at first glance but really aren't.

Look at all the papers on Hydroxycholoquine that happened before actual rigorous studies were done proving that the drug was at best ineffective against COVID-19.

Skepticism is at the core of science. You cannot assert, you must prove and anybody can find a flaw in your proof and then it's not a poof anymore. You either go back and make your proof more rigorous or you stop talking about it.

It's how the work gets done. Indeed, one reason for preprints is if they shoot your pet theory down as a preprint, no harm - properly used, the preprint process provides more feedback and better studies.
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:
backhand.slap.of.reason:

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

Why would you think that an administration that can't construct a single square foot of a wall with the military budget be able to engineer an effective biological weapon?
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


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6 days ago  
3 votes:
The same China, that so successfully controlled the virus back in Feb, that they have since, put both Wuhan as well as large swatch of Beijing, back on lock down, for the 3 or 4th time (for Wuhan), since it all began.

That same China?
Well thank the farking lords they figured it out and certainly didn't mislead anyone with repeated bogus claims.
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:
Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:
Yes, we've been talking about this variant for 2 months.  I guess it's new to the people who read Buzzfeed.
 
6 days ago  
3 votes:
 More infectious strains will always dominate over less infectious strains.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
Not having a complete idiot like Trump, Boris, or Bolsenaro in charge of the response is probably a far greater factor....
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.

The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).


Well a working country goes a long way in managing these disasters
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
Prussian_Roulette:
ARE you reasonably sure?  If Biden was President, I'm sure he would've authorized Defense Secretary Corn Pop to sterilize NYC with nukes, just as soon as the Germans were done bombing Pearl Harbor.

Drink mor bleech
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.


The original is grammatically correct. "Less" is modifying "infectious" not "strains". You'd hardly be likely to say the infection is fewer infectious.

/pet peave
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
Or maybe it was the barbed wire, checkpoints, requiring passes to go out for any reason, preventing all travel to/from certain regions, summary execution for certain violators, etc. In any case, if a more virulent strain is extant in the West, it'll find its way back to China too.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

NateAsbestos: What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.

Who the hell smarted this insane garbage?

It's not insane; the Republican Defense Brigade always shifts to "concern trolling" when they sense a blue wave election, to set things up for the next cycle.  After thoroughly trashing & looting the country, they start setting expectations that the Democrats will fix everything immediately.  I'm already hearing constant reports that the economy should be "back to normal" within a year.

And it works.  In fact it's incredibly effective.  Obama had to steer the country out of the worst recession in over half a century yet within weeks the Republicans had voters demanding why he hadn't restored everything to normalcy.  After, you know, Dumbya and his "50%+1 mandate" threw the economy into a black hole.  Obama got hit with a red wave in only two years.

Americans are duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumm​m​mmmmmmmmmmmbbb.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


"Михаил Горбачев"
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


You might find this of interest.

https://skepticalscience.com/conspira​c​y-theory-handbook-downloads-translatio​ns.html
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

RonRon893: dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.

I think the point was "Strains of the virus that are more infectious will always dominate over strains that are less infectious."


And weaker less symptomatic strains dominate over the ones that make you obviously sick.  The natural course of most every virus is to become more transmissible and less severe over time. That way it spreads easier from people who don't even know they're sick and/or aren't incapacitated.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.

Who the hell smarted this insane garbage?
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

way south: Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.

There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.


but they wont.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
This is interesting, and I like how the article took the science of it seriously and didn't jump to broad conclusions.

with regards to China, and the rest of Asia, there's a lot more than the virus guy ain't going on no. obviously in China they strict intense lockdown was highly successful. But even in other countries which were less strict in the lockdown, mask-wearing is ubiquitous. and it seems to have a significant effect in slowing or curtailing the spread of the virus.

side note, for all the fact that America is generally doing quite poorly, a lot of places in the US are enforcing forcing my skis. I'm in Canada, and the number of unmasked people in public, including inside and crowded stores, it's redonkulous. People serving food or not required to wear masks.

Strange times. Strange times.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.


I think the point was "Strains of the virus that are more infectious will always dominate over strains that are less infectious."
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.


The G strain has been known about for a couple months and is common knowledge. What's your beef?
Oh that's right, this is fark and some one has to take a stand FOR SCIENCE!

Or are you one of those people who champion knowledge fascists like Elsevier, who would keep all scientific knowledge locked away behind prohibitively expensive paywalls that only Institutions can afford?
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
China doesn't know how many of their people got this bug, mortality rates are one thing to compare... if you trust their numbers... but even there, the sort of people this bug is mostly killing in America were mostly already dead in China.

Then there's the authoritarian government vs people in jam packed bars spreading the disease...

There are more answers than questions as to how China seemingly got this under control so fast.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
I mean, sure all that, but there's also "they get shot if they don't cooperate."  Which might work in Texas. Just sayin.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

NeoCortex42: Asian countries don't have insane anti-mask populations.  That helps too.


Or they did and they were wiped out several epidemics ago.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

abhorrent1: Or maybe they're lying about it being under control? I know that would hard to believe but it's possible.


China might be lying, but the scientist isn't.

Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:

NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


Yeah, he'll sniff it and get sick.
 
6 days ago  
2 votes:
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5 days ago  
1 vote:

Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.


Kill whitey, right?
 
6 days ago  
1 vote:

billstewart: Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.

It's not just SARS.  There was a pneumonic plague outbreak in the late 1800s, and a big debate over whether masks would help or not (remember that the Germ Theory of Disease was still pretty new by then, and China had its own medical theories); the big proponent of "no masks" died later the same day.  (To be fair, a lot of the argument was about whether it was bubonic plague, where masks don't make much difference, vs. pneumonic.)

And masks got a lot of resistance, and weren't at all close to universal, but they learned some things.  Then they had the 1918 flu pandemic, and a few others here and there, and gradually they got the clue.

And it's not just China.  Almost all of Africa kept COVID under tight control, having just had Ebola as a lesson.  There were fewer total cases of COVID on the whole continent than there have been deaths from COVID in the US. (A few countries may fail on that, mostly the ones with ongoing wars or crazy post-colonial leaders, but at least Mugabe is gone.)


383,990 confirmed cases in Africa as of June 23, so no, not even close, and this is certainly enormously undercounted, with so many countries in Africa not having even the most basic health care infrastructure, much less the ability to test.
 
6 days ago  
1 vote:
My guess, they are lying. They lied about it when it started and they are still lying.
 
6 days ago  
1 vote:
Because they're lying through their farking teeth?  Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to believe anything China says?
 
6 days ago  
1 vote:

CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.

The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).


Yep. It's not really mysterious, but I think a good postmortem (there really are no good words left) on the responses could underscore for a lot of people what we need for any future global pandemics, which seems to boil down to a population that can focus on more than individual wants for a time. Whether it gets enough eyes is up in the air, but it'd be nice.
 
6 days ago  
1 vote:

erik-k: backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

Dude... Not the appropriate subject for joking about this sort of thing.


He's not joking.  He's an antivaxxer.  So, you know.  A moron.
 
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backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


Dude... Not the appropriate subject for joking about this sort of thing.
 
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great_tigers: Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?

It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.


You are very intelligent.
 
6 days ago  
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Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


Горбачёв
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbach​e​v_(surname)
 
6 days ago  
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Clarence Brown: tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?

They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.


Which is absolutely appalling, because what we just can't have here on Fark is inaccurate clickbaity headlines that generate lots of comments.
 
6 days ago  
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Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


Not all languages translate letter for letter, or have the same sounds as in English.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbac​hev_(surname)#:~:text=Gorbachev%20(Rus​sian%3A%20%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%​B0%D1%87%D1%91%D0%B2%2C%20IPA,the%20Be​larusian%20equivalent%20is%20Harbachow​.

Maybe Fark will like this link better, though above explains it better.

https://en.www.wiktionary.org/wiki/Go​r​bachev


/ 8 years of Russian
 
6 days ago  
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William Birkin is behind this. Damn you, William Birkin!
 
6 days ago  
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I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


I like this phrase. Could be applied to just about everything.
 
6 days ago  
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rcain: portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.

The G strain has been known about for a couple months and is common knowledge. What's your beef?
Oh that's right, this is fark and some one has to take a stand FOR SCIENCE!

Or are you one of those people who champion knowledge fascists like Elsevier, who would keep all scientific knowledge locked away behind prohibitively expensive paywalls that only Institutions can afford?


Holy fark i agree with rcain

Somebody shoot me in the face
 
6 days ago  
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Ivo Shandor: aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!

They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.


To add on to your point, Nextstrain has a graph that shows the mutation of SARS-CoV-2 over time and shows where the virus samples were taken from. The blue at the bottom is the start of the Wuhan strains, the olive green lines at the top are the strains that went into Europe. The last sequenced virus from North America on those original strain lines was seen in Washington on 6 May. Most of the ones being seen and sequenced in North America are European in descent.
 
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"The epidemiological study and our data together really explain why the [G variant's] spread in Europe and the U.S. was really fast," said Hyeryun Choe, a virologist at Scripps Research and a lead author of an unpublished study on the G variant's enhanced infectiousness in laboratory cell cultures. "This is not just accidental."


Oh crap. Mischaracterized by other news sources in 3... 2... 1...
 
6 days ago  
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I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.
 
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Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.


FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?
 
6 days ago  
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portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.


Sure. Let's just utterly destroy Fark. We can just link strictly to Phys.org and get all our sports, politics and odd news from them. Hey, did you see that crazy article where they found that one star was only a semi-variable red giant? Wasn't that hilarious how they added "Dr." and "Professor" to the second author's name? You know, because like it's ever possible that a full professor might have just a MS or something. I thought it was just the levity the article needed, imo.
 
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NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


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ARE you reasonably sure?  If Biden was President, I'm sure he would've authorized Defense Secretary Corn Pop to sterilize NYC with nukes, just as soon as the Germans were done bombing Pearl Harbor.
 
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the 'g' is for 'gansta'
 
6 days ago  
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I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!
 
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