I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: tyyreaunn: Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?To me? Kind of, yes. Because they "suggest" and the point of peer review is to point out things that could look significant at first glance but really aren't.Look at all the papers on Hydroxycholoquine that happened before actual rigorous studies were done proving that the drug was at best ineffective against COVID-19.Skepticism is at the core of science. You cannot assert, you must prove and anybody can find a flaw in your proof and then it's not a poof anymore. You either go back and make your proof more rigorous or you stop talking about it.It's how the work gets done. Indeed, one reason for preprints is if they shoot your pet theory down as a preprint, no harm - properly used, the preprint process provides more feedback and better studies.
dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.FTFY./Pet peave.
Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.
CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.The short answer is: Effective government response.The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).
Lord Dimwit: We have to remember, the primary victims of the Chinese government are the Chinese people.
Ivo Shandor: aungen: I was assured this would not mutate. I demand a refund!They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.
great_tigers: herp a derp
bikkurikun: It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.
some_beer_drinker: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.this is god's punishment for electing trump
Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.
stuffy: Is this the same China that said nothing was wrong? subby.
billstewart: Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.It's not just SARS. There was a pneumonic plague outbreak in the late 1800s, and a big debate over whether masks would help or not (remember that the Germ Theory of Disease was still pretty new by then, and China had its own medical theories); the big proponent of "no masks" died later the same day. (To be fair, a lot of the argument was about whether it was bubonic plague, where masks don't make much difference, vs. pneumonic.)And masks got a lot of resistance, and weren't at all close to universal, but they learned some things. Then they had the 1918 flu pandemic, and a few others here and there, and gradually they got the clue.And it's not just China. Almost all of Africa kept COVID under tight control, having just had Ebola as a lesson. There were fewer total cases of COVID on the whole continent than there have been deaths from COVID in the US. (A few countries may fail on that, mostly the ones with ongoing wars or crazy post-colonial leaders, but at least Mugabe is gone.)
Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.
Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: G as in Gates?G as in 5G?China not affected, but the western world is?International Marxist conspiracy confirmed!/not serious//but you know it will be a talking point on Facebook and/ Faux News///has Trump endorsed the 5G conspiracy theory yet?
way south: Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face. It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did. I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.
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