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(MSN)   Why was China able to get the coronavirus under control in February? Because they weren't dealing with the highly infectious "G" version that took over the world in March   (msn.com) divider line
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4 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: tyyreaunn: Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?

To me? Kind of, yes. Because they "suggest" and the point of peer review is to point out things that could look significant at first glance but really aren't.

Look at all the papers on Hydroxycholoquine that happened before actual rigorous studies were done proving that the drug was at best ineffective against COVID-19.

Skepticism is at the core of science. You cannot assert, you must prove and anybody can find a flaw in your proof and then it's not a poof anymore. You either go back and make your proof more rigorous or you stop talking about it.

It's how the work gets done. Indeed, one reason for preprints is if they shoot your pet theory down as a preprint, no harm - properly used, the preprint process provides more feedback and better studies.


Yeah, that a conclusion is speculation isn't criticism. It's just a fact. Good research exists on a continuum of credibility, depending on how often something has been studying, how many different ways, how rigorous controls were, and so on. Speculation doesn't necessarily mean a couple of bloviating potheads talking through their asses.
 
4 days ago  

dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.


The original is grammatically correct. "Less" is modifying "infectious" not "strains". You'd hardly be likely to say the infection is fewer infectious.

/pet peave
 
4 days ago  

Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.


The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).
 
4 days ago  
Prussian_Roulette:
ARE you reasonably sure?  If Biden was President, I'm sure he would've authorized Defense Secretary Corn Pop to sterilize NYC with nukes, just as soon as the Germans were done bombing Pearl Harbor.

Drink mor bleech
 
4 days ago  

CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.

The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).


Well a working country goes a long way in managing these disasters
 
4 days ago  

Lord Dimwit: We have to remember, the primary victims of the Chinese government are the Chinese people.


China has caused unspeakable suffering by depriving Americans of their inalienable rights to haircuts and chain restaurants, and causing us to risk our health by wearing suffocating masks.
 
4 days ago  

CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.

The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).


Yep. It's not really mysterious, but I think a good postmortem (there really are no good words left) on the responses could underscore for a lot of people what we need for any future global pandemics, which seems to boil down to a population that can focus on more than individual wants for a time. Whether it gets enough eyes is up in the air, but it'd be nice.
 
4 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!

They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.


I know. I'm mocking the people who keep telling me it is stable. :)

And pretending I paid for their advice.  Like ... Charlie Brown level.
 
4 days ago  

great_tigers: herp a derp


Brain like a billiard ball, that one.
 
4 days ago  
Because they're lying through their farking teeth?  Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to believe anything China says?
 
4 days ago  
Not having a complete idiot like Trump, Boris, or Bolsenaro in charge of the response is probably a far greater factor....
 
4 days ago  
My guess, they are lying. They lied about it when it started and they are still lying.
 
4 days ago  
It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.
 
4 days ago  

bikkurikun: It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.


Okay comrade.
 
4 days ago  
G as in Gates?
G as in 5G?
China not affected, but the western world is?
International Marxist conspiracy confirmed!

/not serious
//but you know it will be a talking point on Facebook and/ Faux News
///has Trump endorsed the 5G conspiracy theory yet?
 
4 days ago  
Is this the same China that said nothing was wrong? subby.
 
4 days ago  

some_beer_drinker: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

this is god's punishment for electing trump


Please don't blame God for this.  Darwin can do this job just fine with only Trump's help.

More seriously, if the G version is more infectious, all the countries that did their masking and lockdowns early had a huge advantage over the countries that did it late, which makes Trump's negligence much more damaging.
 
4 days ago  

Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.


It's not just SARS.  There was a pneumonic plague outbreak in the late 1800s, and a big debate over whether masks would help or not (remember that the Germ Theory of Disease was still pretty new by then, and China had its own medical theories); the big proponent of "no masks" died later the same day.  (To be fair, a lot of the argument was about whether it was bubonic plague, where masks don't make much difference, vs. pneumonic.)

And masks got a lot of resistance, and weren't at all close to universal, but they learned some things.  Then they had the 1918 flu pandemic, and a few others here and there, and gradually they got the clue.

And it's not just China.  Almost all of Africa kept COVID under tight control, having just had Ebola as a lesson.  There were fewer total cases of COVID on the whole continent than there have been deaths from COVID in the US.  (A few countries may fail on that, mostly the ones with ongoing wars or crazy post-colonial leaders, but at least Mugabe is gone.)
 
4 days ago  

stuffy: Is this the same China that said nothing was wrong? subby.


They said plenty was wrong, not their fault the United states is a failed state that can't do anything right except extra judicially kill Minorities
 
4 days ago  

billstewart: Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.

It's not just SARS.  There was a pneumonic plague outbreak in the late 1800s, and a big debate over whether masks would help or not (remember that the Germ Theory of Disease was still pretty new by then, and China had its own medical theories); the big proponent of "no masks" died later the same day.  (To be fair, a lot of the argument was about whether it was bubonic plague, where masks don't make much difference, vs. pneumonic.)

And masks got a lot of resistance, and weren't at all close to universal, but they learned some things.  Then they had the 1918 flu pandemic, and a few others here and there, and gradually they got the clue.

And it's not just China.  Almost all of Africa kept COVID under tight control, having just had Ebola as a lesson.  There were fewer total cases of COVID on the whole continent than there have been deaths from COVID in the US. (A few countries may fail on that, mostly the ones with ongoing wars or crazy post-colonial leaders, but at least Mugabe is gone.)


383,990 confirmed cases in Africa as of June 23, so no, not even close, and this is certainly enormously undercounted, with so many countries in Africa not having even the most basic health care infrastructure, much less the ability to test.
 
3 days ago  

Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.


Kill whitey, right?
 
3 days ago  
Jeez, I'm disappointed by how few Resident Evil G-Virus jokes are on here. Not a single picture of a G-Virus mutant/William Birkin.
 
3 days ago  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: G as in Gates?
G as in 5G?
China not affected, but the western world is?
International Marxist conspiracy confirmed!

/not serious
//but you know it will be a talking point on Facebook and/ Faux News
///has Trump endorsed the 5G conspiracy theory yet?



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3 days ago  

way south: Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.

There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.


The actual deaths in Wuhan were 10 to 50 times greater than reported, based on traffic in crematoriums.

The way China's government tells lies and everyone still believes them its amazing.
Now they have 3 million Ugyurs  in camps and they are forcing mass sterilizations and abortions on them, kind of slow genocide, and still hardly a peep from media who are obsessed with the latest tweet from you know who.
 
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