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(MSN)   Why was China able to get the coronavirus under control in February? Because they weren't dealing with the highly infectious "G" version that took over the world in March   (msn.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
Did anyone else get a persistent CAPTCHA warning on that site?
 
4 days ago  
Coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why.

Ummm...that's what a VIRUS does...to survive...it MUTATES in order to get around our
body's antibodies.  By sneezing or some other way, the virus tries to infect someone else.
It's why a vaccine will be somewhat ineffective.  By the time they make a vaccine, the
virus has mutated into something else.  Although the vaccine might help, it most likely
won't "stop" it.
 
4 days ago  
"The epidemiological study and our data together really explain why the [G variant's] spread in Europe and the U.S. was really fast," said Hyeryun Choe, a virologist at Scripps Research and a lead author of an unpublished study on the G variant's enhanced infectiousness in laboratory cell cultures. "This is not just accidental."


Oh crap. Mischaracterized by other news sources in 3... 2... 1...
 
4 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!

They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.


To add on to your point, Nextstrain has a graph that shows the mutation of SARS-CoV-2 over time and shows where the virus samples were taken from. The blue at the bottom is the start of the Wuhan strains, the olive green lines at the top are the strains that went into Europe. The last sequenced virus from North America on those original strain lines was seen in Washington on 6 May. Most of the ones being seen and sequenced in North America are European in descent.
 
4 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


Why I read your posts; succinct (usually) and accurate.
 
4 days ago  
The same China, that so successfully controlled the virus back in Feb, that they have since, put both Wuhan as well as large swatch of Beijing, back on lock down, for the 3 or 4th time (for Wuhan), since it all began.

That same China?
Well thank the farking lords they figured it out and certainly didn't mislead anyone with repeated bogus claims.
 
4 days ago  
Egon Ozer? Seriously?
 
4 days ago  

way south: Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.

There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.


but they wont.
 
4 days ago  

some_beer_drinker: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

this is god's punishment for electing trump


No, pretty sure this is punishment for offending Rha, by sunning our assholes.

Or licking toilet seats.
 
4 days ago  
Why did it mutate?  Why does any virus mutate?  Because it reproduces in new hosts, and each reproduction creates the chance for mutation.  So when it hits a population that wears masks, it does not have as many opportunities to reproduce.  When it hits a population that does not wear masks, it has many opportunities to mutate.  Hence the form that hit Europe became different, because it mutated as it overran the no-mask European states.
 
4 days ago  

rebelyell2006: Why did it mutate?  Why does any virus mutate?  Because it reproduces in new hosts, and each reproduction creates the chance for mutation.  So when it hits a population that wears masks, it does not have as many opportunities to reproduce.  When it hits a population that does not wear masks, it has many opportunities to mutate.  Hence the form that hit Europe became different, because it mutated as it overran the no-mask European states.


But evolution is just the tin foil that evolutionsts use to keep God out of their brainwaves or something.
 
4 days ago  
China is better at controlling any type of virus because of their low regard for human rights. Contageous disease spreading? No problem for a country that can wield people into their apartments and haul people off to undisclosed locations for caughing in public.

Viral diseases are horrible for the US because  necessary measures to stop a pandemic are antithetical to its very framework. The right to assemble is legally granted in the first amemndment. Anti-authorianism is so much a part of the Untied States that we've seen both the right and left wings of the political spectrum convene and protest in public for what each side believes is an unjust exercise of government power.

Sometimes features become bugs.
 
4 days ago  
The "government" version

(Just like G-man refers to a government agent)
 
4 days ago  

rcain: portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.

The G strain has been known about for a couple months and is common knowledge. What's your beef?
Oh that's right, this is fark and some one has to take a stand FOR SCIENCE!

Or are you one of those people who champion knowledge fascists like Elsevier, who would keep all scientific knowledge locked away behind prohibitively expensive paywalls that only Institutions can afford?


Holy fark i agree with rcain

Somebody shoot me in the face
 
4 days ago  

sxacho: Egon Ozer? Seriously?


He warned us not to cross the streams.
 
4 days ago  

Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.

Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet.
 
4 days ago  

dragonchild: Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet.

Or the Cyrillic alphabet, for that matter.
 
4 days ago  

tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?


They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.
 
4 days ago  
We were unable to deal with D...

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.

/runs
 
4 days ago  

aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!


Came here to say this, looks for those farkers.
 
4 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


I like this phrase. Could be applied to just about everything.
 
4 days ago  

dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet



How did Gorbachev spell his name?
 
4 days ago  
What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.

Who the hell smarted this insane garbage?
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""


The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.
 
4 days ago  

Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?


It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.
 
4 days ago  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


wat
 
4 days ago  
William Birkin is behind this. Damn you, William Birkin!
 
4 days ago  

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


Not all languages translate letter for letter, or have the same sounds as in English.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbac​hev_(surname)#:~:text=Gorbachev%20(Rus​sian%3A%20%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%​B0%D1%87%D1%91%D0%B2%2C%20IPA,the%20Be​larusian%20equivalent%20is%20Harbachow​.

Maybe Fark will like this link better, though above explains it better.

https://en.www.wiktionary.org/wiki/Go​r​bachev


/ 8 years of Russian
 
4 days ago  

RonRon893: dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.

I think the point was "Strains of the virus that are more infectious will always dominate over strains that are less infectious."


And weaker less symptomatic strains dominate over the ones that make you obviously sick.  The natural course of most every virus is to become more transmissible and less severe over time. That way it spreads easier from people who don't even know they're sick and/or aren't incapacitated.
 
4 days ago  

Clarence Brown: tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?

They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.


Which is absolutely appalling, because what we just can't have here on Fark is inaccurate clickbaity headlines that generate lots of comments.
 
4 days ago  
backhand.slap.of.reason:

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

Why would you think that an administration that can't construct a single square foot of a wall with the military budget be able to engineer an effective biological weapon?
 
4 days ago  

dittybopper: They dealt better because they tested less

 
4 days ago  

rebelyell2006: backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

wat


SARS-CoV-2 D614 is actually a Replication Defective variant of SARS-CoV-2 D614G.

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4 days ago  

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


Горбачёв
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbach​e​v_(surname)
 
4 days ago  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


You might find this of interest.

https://skepticalscience.com/conspira​c​y-theory-handbook-downloads-translatio​ns.html
 
4 days ago  

great_tigers: Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?

It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.


You are very intelligent.
 
4 days ago  

sxacho: Egon Ozer? Seriously?


Ebn Ozn - Aeiou Sometimes Y (1983)
Youtube 2wkP0rlKZXA
 
4 days ago  

great_tigers: Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?

It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.


Now, I'm no super-genius, but it sounds to me like this is sarcasm.  Is this sarcasm?  Because if it's sarcasm, it's hilarious.
 
4 days ago  

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


"Михаил Горбачев"
 
4 days ago  
It wasn't because they edited 100000 dead to be 4000 dead? Because I thought it might have something to do with that.

Theres no way only a few thousand died in Hebei province.
 
4 days ago  

GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.

The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.


Not the first disease to do that. Heck, there are diseases where your immune system just attacks you. (Lupus, for example.)
 
4 days ago  

evilsofa: Clarence Brown: tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?

They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.

Which is absolutely appalling, because what we just can't have here on Fark is inaccurate clickbaity headlines that generate lots of comments.


We can have them, and then we can have posts about the headline being inaccurate.

Like this one!
 
4 days ago  

NateAsbestos: What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.

Who the hell smarted this insane garbage?

It's not insane; the Republican Defense Brigade always shifts to "concern trolling" when they sense a blue wave election, to set things up for the next cycle.  After thoroughly trashing & looting the country, they start setting expectations that the Democrats will fix everything immediately.  I'm already hearing constant reports that the economy should be "back to normal" within a year.

And it works.  In fact it's incredibly effective.  Obama had to steer the country out of the worst recession in over half a century yet within weeks the Republicans had voters demanding why he hadn't restored everything to normalcy.  After, you know, Dumbya and his "50%+1 mandate" threw the economy into a black hole.  Obama got hit with a red wave in only two years.

Americans are duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumm​m​mmmmmmmmmmmbbb.
 
4 days ago  

p51d007: Coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why.

Ummm...that's what a VIRUS does...to survive...it MUTATES in order to get around our
body's antibodies.  By sneezing or some other way, the virus tries to infect someone else.
It's why a vaccine will be somewhat ineffective.  By the time they make a vaccine, the
virus has mutated into something else.  Although the vaccine might help, it most likely
won't "stop" it.


Actually, for this mutation, it's about more than evading the host defense, which is not as interesting.

It's about the virus becoming much better at infecting human cells.

But if you could ask the virus, it might say, "why not both?"
 
4 days ago  

tyyreaunn: Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?


To me? Kind of, yes. Because they "suggest" and the point of peer review is to point out things that could look significant at first glance but really aren't.

Look at all the papers on Hydroxycholoquine that happened before actual rigorous studies were done proving that the drug was at best ineffective against COVID-19.

Skepticism is at the core of science. You cannot assert, you must prove and anybody can find a flaw in your proof and then it's not a poof anymore. You either go back and make your proof more rigorous or you stop talking about it.

It's how the work gets done. Indeed, one reason for preprints is if they shoot your pet theory down as a preprint, no harm - properly used, the preprint process provides more feedback and better studies.
 
4 days ago  

GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.

The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.


Yeah thats why dexamethasone and many other drugs in trials are working.
 
4 days ago  
Or maybe it was the barbed wire, checkpoints, requiring passes to go out for any reason, preventing all travel to/from certain regions, summary execution for certain violators, etc. In any case, if a more virulent strain is extant in the West, it'll find its way back to China too.
 
4 days ago  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


Dude... Not the appropriate subject for joking about this sort of thing.
 
4 days ago  

erik-k: backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

Dude... Not the appropriate subject for joking about this sort of thing.


He's not joking.  He's an antivaxxer.  So, you know.  A moron.
 
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