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(MSN)   Why was China able to get the coronavirus under control in February? Because they weren't dealing with the highly infectious "G" version that took over the world in March   (msn.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""
 
6 days ago  
It wasn't because they welded the doors shut of apartment buildings? Because I figured it was that.
 
6 days ago  
Asian countries don't have insane anti-mask populations.  That helps too.
 
6 days ago  

arrogantbastich: It wasn't because they welded the doors shut of apartment buildings? Because I figured it was that.


was going to bring up the whole welding people into their own apartment buildings, plus that rumour they were prematurely cremating lost cause victims to free up beds for the next round of patients.
 
6 days ago  
Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
I was watching a documentary a few years back, about a virus that broke out of containment and devastated the remote, underground laboratory that had been studying it.  But that was the "T" form of the virus.  A little later, a more infectious "G-virus" appeared and basically wiped an entire American city off the map.

It looks like history is repeating itself.
 
6 days ago  
I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!
 
6 days ago  
the 'g' is for 'gansta'
 
6 days ago  
China found the G-spot?
 
6 days ago  
god i wish i could type stuff better
 
6 days ago  
nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.
 
6 days ago  
I believe the more likely cause is that the Chinese must do what their government orders, for the most part.
 
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6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Nuuu: I was watching a documentary a few years back, about a virus that broke out of containment and devastated the remote, underground laboratory that had been studying it.  But that was the "T" form of the virus.  A little later, a more infectious "G-virus" appeared and basically wiped an entire American city off the map.

It looks like history is repeating itself.


Bayer lawyers will come at you
 
6 days ago  
 More infectious strains will always dominate over less infectious strains.
 
6 days ago  
Or maybe they're lying about it being under control? I know that would hard to believe but it's possible.
 
6 days ago  

great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.


At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.
 
6 days ago  

drjekel_mrhyde: China found the G-spot?


The G-strain is a myth.  The G-string, however....
 
6 days ago  
If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.
 
6 days ago  

NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


Yeah, he'll sniff it and get sick.
 
6 days ago  

NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.
 
6 days ago  

aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!


They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.
 
6 days ago  
The G virus?
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6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.


this is god's punishment for electing trump
 
6 days ago  
Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.
 
6 days ago  

abhorrent1: Or maybe they're lying about it being under control? I know that would hard to believe but it's possible.


China might be lying, but the scientist isn't.

Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
 
6 days ago  

NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


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ARE you reasonably sure?  If Biden was President, I'm sure he would've authorized Defense Secretary Corn Pop to sterilize NYC with nukes, just as soon as the Germans were done bombing Pearl Harbor.
 
6 days ago  

BumpInTheNight: arrogantbastich: It wasn't because they welded the doors shut of apartment buildings? Because I figured it was that.

was going to bring up the whole welding people into their own apartment buildings, plus that rumour they were prematurely cremating lost cause victims to free up beds for the next round of patients.


You could see the smoke from space.

Plus a bullet to the head isn't a covid death.
 
6 days ago  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.


FTFY.

/Pet peave.
 
6 days ago  
China is willing and able to enforce extremely strict quarantine measures on its population, far more than can be done in the Western world. Nobody in China is going to sue the government or say the police don't have the right to arrest them for not wearing a mask.

That and there is no watchdog to ensure the CCP was telling the truth about how bad it got in the first place. While I'm sure it wasn't as bad as some people in the West were saying, it was certainly worse than what the CCP claimed.

We have to remember, the primary victims of the Chinese government are the Chinese people.
 
6 days ago  
great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.


Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?
 
6 days ago  

NeoCortex42: Asian countries don't have insane anti-mask populations.  That helps too.


Or they did and they were wiped out several epidemics ago.
 
6 days ago  
I mean, sure all that, but there's also "they get shot if they don't cooperate."  Which might work in Texas. Just sayin.
 
6 days ago  
China doesn't know how many of their people got this bug, mortality rates are one thing to compare... if you trust their numbers... but even there, the sort of people this bug is mostly killing in America were mostly already dead in China.

Then there's the authoritarian government vs people in jam packed bars spreading the disease...

There are more answers than questions as to how China seemingly got this under control so fast.
 
6 days ago  

portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.


The G strain has been known about for a couple months and is common knowledge. What's your beef?
Oh that's right, this is fark and some one has to take a stand FOR SCIENCE!

Or are you one of those people who champion knowledge fascists like Elsevier, who would keep all scientific knowledge locked away behind prohibitively expensive paywalls that only Institutions can afford?
 
6 days ago  

Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.


There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.
 
6 days ago  

dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.


I think the point was "Strains of the virus that are more infectious will always dominate over strains that are less infectious."
 
6 days ago  

portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.


Sure. Let's just utterly destroy Fark. We can just link strictly to Phys.org and get all our sports, politics and odd news from them. Hey, did you see that crazy article where they found that one star was only a semi-variable red giant? Wasn't that hilarious how they added "Dr." and "Professor" to the second author's name? You know, because like it's ever possible that a full professor might have just a MS or something. I thought it was just the levity the article needed, imo.
 
6 days ago  
Yes, we've been talking about this variant for 2 months.  I guess it's new to the people who read Buzzfeed.
 
6 days ago  

flucto: I mean, sure all that, but there's also "they get shot if they don't cooperate."  Which might work in Texas. Just sayin.


They see that an armed society is a polite society. They say that it's only polite to wear a mask in public.

The answer is clear. Everybody gets a gun, and if somebody is not wearing their masks, you get to shoot them.

If they sneeze on you, you get to shoot them in the stomach and watch them slowly die.

Come on people, how is this so complicated?
 
6 days ago  
Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one."

This is really the part that matters, but don't you dare try to science in a red state or a MAGAteer. Them masks is tireany, a hoax and kinnin' peoples!


great_tigers: NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.

What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.


Speaking of dipschittery... didn't we see you sleeping on a plane the other day?
 
6 days ago  
Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.


FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?
 
6 days ago  
This is interesting, and I like how the article took the science of it seriously and didn't jump to broad conclusions.

with regards to China, and the rest of Asia, there's a lot more than the virus guy ain't going on no. obviously in China they strict intense lockdown was highly successful. But even in other countries which were less strict in the lockdown, mask-wearing is ubiquitous. and it seems to have a significant effect in slowing or curtailing the spread of the virus.

side note, for all the fact that America is generally doing quite poorly, a lot of places in the US are enforcing forcing my skis. I'm in Canada, and the number of unmasked people in public, including inside and crowded stores, it's redonkulous. People serving food or not required to wear masks.

Strange times. Strange times.
 
6 days ago  
because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.
 
6 days ago  

NateAsbestos: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

At least we can be reasonably assured Biden will do farking something about it.

Get out of here with this weak shiat.


I'm predicting a big ol dose of austerity and more civil unrest myself
 
6 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.
 
6 days ago  

Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?


Look at it this way... when you are so invested in a particular viewpoint, so tribal that the only thing that matters is your team "winning", you are afraid of any sort of new and founded information because it might destroy what you have chosen to mentally invest in. Things get to the point where you can not make a rational arguments because all the information shows how wrong you have been the entire time, so the only thing left to do is try to discredit or tear down the "opposition". Since you have nothing factual to stand on, you bring in sides and emotion to try sway others or counter rational, fact based points.
You say stupid schitt and make schitt up because you can't admit that you were wrong and never knew what you were talking about. Look for a red hat, it's a good indicator...
It is also a pretty good indication that you are a farking moron.
 
6 days ago  
Did anyone else get a persistent CAPTCHA warning on that site?
 
6 days ago  
Coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why.

Ummm...that's what a VIRUS does...to survive...it MUTATES in order to get around our
body's antibodies.  By sneezing or some other way, the virus tries to infect someone else.
It's why a vaccine will be somewhat ineffective.  By the time they make a vaccine, the
virus has mutated into something else.  Although the vaccine might help, it most likely
won't "stop" it.
 
6 days ago  
"The epidemiological study and our data together really explain why the [G variant's] spread in Europe and the U.S. was really fast," said Hyeryun Choe, a virologist at Scripps Research and a lead author of an unpublished study on the G variant's enhanced infectiousness in laboratory cell cultures. "This is not just accidental."


Oh crap. Mischaracterized by other news sources in 3... 2... 1...
 
6 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!

They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.


To add on to your point, Nextstrain has a graph that shows the mutation of SARS-CoV-2 over time and shows where the virus samples were taken from. The blue at the bottom is the start of the Wuhan strains, the olive green lines at the top are the strains that went into Europe. The last sequenced virus from North America on those original strain lines was seen in Washington on 6 May. Most of the ones being seen and sequenced in North America are European in descent.
 
6 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


Why I read your posts; succinct (usually) and accurate.
 
6 days ago  
The same China, that so successfully controlled the virus back in Feb, that they have since, put both Wuhan as well as large swatch of Beijing, back on lock down, for the 3 or 4th time (for Wuhan), since it all began.

That same China?
Well thank the farking lords they figured it out and certainly didn't mislead anyone with repeated bogus claims.
 
6 days ago  
Egon Ozer? Seriously?
 
6 days ago  

way south: Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.

There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.


but they wont.
 
6 days ago  

some_beer_drinker: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

this is god's punishment for electing trump


No, pretty sure this is punishment for offending Rha, by sunning our assholes.

Or licking toilet seats.
 
6 days ago  
Why did it mutate?  Why does any virus mutate?  Because it reproduces in new hosts, and each reproduction creates the chance for mutation.  So when it hits a population that wears masks, it does not have as many opportunities to reproduce.  When it hits a population that does not wear masks, it has many opportunities to mutate.  Hence the form that hit Europe became different, because it mutated as it overran the no-mask European states.
 
6 days ago  

rebelyell2006: Why did it mutate?  Why does any virus mutate?  Because it reproduces in new hosts, and each reproduction creates the chance for mutation.  So when it hits a population that wears masks, it does not have as many opportunities to reproduce.  When it hits a population that does not wear masks, it has many opportunities to mutate.  Hence the form that hit Europe became different, because it mutated as it overran the no-mask European states.


But evolution is just the tin foil that evolutionsts use to keep God out of their brainwaves or something.
 
6 days ago  
China is better at controlling any type of virus because of their low regard for human rights. Contageous disease spreading? No problem for a country that can wield people into their apartments and haul people off to undisclosed locations for caughing in public.

Viral diseases are horrible for the US because  necessary measures to stop a pandemic are antithetical to its very framework. The right to assemble is legally granted in the first amemndment. Anti-authorianism is so much a part of the Untied States that we've seen both the right and left wings of the political spectrum convene and protest in public for what each side believes is an unjust exercise of government power.

Sometimes features become bugs.
 
6 days ago  
The "government" version

(Just like G-man refers to a government agent)
 
6 days ago  

rcain: portnoyd: Can we get a ban on submissions from articles referring to information that hasn't been peer reviewed? If one actually read the article, you'd see this too is not peer reviewed.

The G strain has been known about for a couple months and is common knowledge. What's your beef?
Oh that's right, this is fark and some one has to take a stand FOR SCIENCE!

Or are you one of those people who champion knowledge fascists like Elsevier, who would keep all scientific knowledge locked away behind prohibitively expensive paywalls that only Institutions can afford?


Holy fark i agree with rcain

Somebody shoot me in the face
 
6 days ago  

sxacho: Egon Ozer? Seriously?


He warned us not to cross the streams.
 
6 days ago  

Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.

Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet.
 
6 days ago  

dragonchild: Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet.

Or the Cyrillic alphabet, for that matter.
 
6 days ago  

tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?


They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.
 
6 days ago  
We were unable to deal with D...

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.

/runs
 
6 days ago  

aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!


Came here to say this, looks for those farkers.
 
6 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.


I like this phrase. Could be applied to just about everything.
 
6 days ago  

dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet



How did Gorbachev spell his name?
 
6 days ago  
What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.

Who the hell smarted this insane garbage?
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""


The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.
 
6 days ago  

Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?


It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.
 
6 days ago  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


wat
 
6 days ago  
William Birkin is behind this. Damn you, William Birkin!
 
6 days ago  

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


Not all languages translate letter for letter, or have the same sounds as in English.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbac​hev_(surname)#:~:text=Gorbachev%20(Rus​sian%3A%20%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%​B0%D1%87%D1%91%D0%B2%2C%20IPA,the%20Be​larusian%20equivalent%20is%20Harbachow​.

Maybe Fark will like this link better, though above explains it better.

https://en.www.wiktionary.org/wiki/Go​r​bachev


/ 8 years of Russian
 
6 days ago  

RonRon893: dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.

I think the point was "Strains of the virus that are more infectious will always dominate over strains that are less infectious."


And weaker less symptomatic strains dominate over the ones that make you obviously sick.  The natural course of most every virus is to become more transmissible and less severe over time. That way it spreads easier from people who don't even know they're sick and/or aren't incapacitated.
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?

They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.


Which is absolutely appalling, because what we just can't have here on Fark is inaccurate clickbaity headlines that generate lots of comments.
 
6 days ago  
backhand.slap.of.reason:

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

Why would you think that an administration that can't construct a single square foot of a wall with the military budget be able to engineer an effective biological weapon?
 
6 days ago  

dittybopper: They dealt better because they tested less

 
6 days ago  

rebelyell2006: backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

wat


SARS-CoV-2 D614 is actually a Replication Defective variant of SARS-CoV-2 D614G.

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6 days ago  

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


Горбачёв
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbach​e​v_(surname)
 
6 days ago  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


You might find this of interest.

https://skepticalscience.com/conspira​c​y-theory-handbook-downloads-translatio​ns.html
 
6 days ago  

great_tigers: Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?

It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.


You are very intelligent.
 
6 days ago  

sxacho: Egon Ozer? Seriously?


Ebn Ozn - Aeiou Sometimes Y (1983)
Youtube 2wkP0rlKZXA
 
6 days ago  

great_tigers: Flerkenpie070: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

Beating down COVID-19 with leadership that can actually plan and think is a BAD thing?

You want the disease to continue?

What's the motive in saying things like this?

It's not a bad thing at all! We just know that once bad orange man is out of the office, everything will be right with the world. He will single handily eliminate Covid-19 just by being elected.


Now, I'm no super-genius, but it sounds to me like this is sarcasm.  Is this sarcasm?  Because if it's sarcasm, it's hilarious.
 
6 days ago  

Atomic Jonb: dragonchild: Ketchuponsteak: Dunno why China couldn't get the G version from Russia or somewhere.
Nah, there isn't a "G" in the Cryillic alphabet


How did Gorbachev spell his name?


"Михаил Горбачев"
 
6 days ago  
It wasn't because they edited 100000 dead to be 4000 dead? Because I thought it might have something to do with that.

Theres no way only a few thousand died in Hebei province.
 
6 days ago  

GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.

The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.


Not the first disease to do that. Heck, there are diseases where your immune system just attacks you. (Lupus, for example.)
 
6 days ago  

evilsofa: Clarence Brown: tyyreaunn: Clarence Brown: It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation.

FTFA: At least four laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although none of that work has been peer-reviewed. Another unpublished study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?  Do you also think wearing masks is pseudo-scientific garbage?

They are speculating--not wildly guessing, but making inferences that, as the article says, might be wrong. The problem with the headline is that it goes from that speculation (or informed inference of probability, if you prefer) to something the article doesn't say at all: that this explains something about the difference in outcome in China v. other places. It doesn't say that at all.

You're thinking that, because I'm emphasizing that science is inference, I'm saying it's worthless. Nope, I understand how science works. The headline takes what is an inference, presents it as a conclusion, and draws another inference, one that is completely unwarranted.

Which is absolutely appalling, because what we just can't have here on Fark is inaccurate clickbaity headlines that generate lots of comments.


We can have them, and then we can have posts about the headline being inaccurate.

Like this one!
 
6 days ago  

NateAsbestos: What weak shiat? You know Corona will be completely eliminated the minute Biden takes office. So we have that going for us which is nice.

Who the hell smarted this insane garbage?

It's not insane; the Republican Defense Brigade always shifts to "concern trolling" when they sense a blue wave election, to set things up for the next cycle.  After thoroughly trashing & looting the country, they start setting expectations that the Democrats will fix everything immediately.  I'm already hearing constant reports that the economy should be "back to normal" within a year.

And it works.  In fact it's incredibly effective.  Obama had to steer the country out of the worst recession in over half a century yet within weeks the Republicans had voters demanding why he hadn't restored everything to normalcy.  After, you know, Dumbya and his "50%+1 mandate" threw the economy into a black hole.  Obama got hit with a red wave in only two years.

Americans are duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumm​m​mmmmmmmmmmmbbb.
 
6 days ago  

p51d007: Coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why.

Ummm...that's what a VIRUS does...to survive...it MUTATES in order to get around our
body's antibodies.  By sneezing or some other way, the virus tries to infect someone else.
It's why a vaccine will be somewhat ineffective.  By the time they make a vaccine, the
virus has mutated into something else.  Although the vaccine might help, it most likely
won't "stop" it.


Actually, for this mutation, it's about more than evading the host defense, which is not as interesting.

It's about the virus becoming much better at infecting human cells.

But if you could ask the virus, it might say, "why not both?"
 
6 days ago  

tyyreaunn: Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?


To me? Kind of, yes. Because they "suggest" and the point of peer review is to point out things that could look significant at first glance but really aren't.

Look at all the papers on Hydroxycholoquine that happened before actual rigorous studies were done proving that the drug was at best ineffective against COVID-19.

Skepticism is at the core of science. You cannot assert, you must prove and anybody can find a flaw in your proof and then it's not a poof anymore. You either go back and make your proof more rigorous or you stop talking about it.

It's how the work gets done. Indeed, one reason for preprints is if they shoot your pet theory down as a preprint, no harm - properly used, the preprint process provides more feedback and better studies.
 
6 days ago  

GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Interesting but speculative - there's a bunch of preprints out but not much has made it to publication.

Given the way it roared in Wuhan, I don't know if I buy the "more infectious" argument. "more virulent?" Yeah, I could see that. But we really don't know - every day we're learning something new, and some days, we learn what we thought we learned isn't exactly right.

Forex: General rule in ARDS due to infection is don't give steroids. Yes, they're powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but they're also powerful immune system suppressors, and the last thing you want to do when someone is fighting an infection is to weaken their immune system.

Well, turns out that now a "usually" - because the combination of oxygen and dexamethasone has some decent if not compelling evidence that it is effective in at least keeping bad cases from becoming critical cases. You probably don't want to use in a mild illness (and turn it into a major one when you blotto the immune system) but in cases where breathing difficulty is the issue, it's turning out to be helpful.

Well, we'll know in a couple of weeks what we learned wrong this week.

The interesting bit there is the fact that one of the main killing features of C19 isn't the virus, but an over reaction by the immune system.  Weakening the immune system might be the ideal thing to do in certain cases.


Yeah thats why dexamethasone and many other drugs in trials are working.
 
6 days ago  
Or maybe it was the barbed wire, checkpoints, requiring passes to go out for any reason, preventing all travel to/from certain regions, summary execution for certain violators, etc. In any case, if a more virulent strain is extant in the West, it'll find its way back to China too.
 
6 days ago  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.


Dude... Not the appropriate subject for joking about this sort of thing.
 
6 days ago  

erik-k: backhand.slap.of.reason: Clarence Brown: That isn't what the article says. At all.

It says that the "G" mutation might be more infectious, but that's speculation. What the article does say that's worth noting is: "The mutation does not seem to lead to worse outcomes in patients. Nor did it alter the virus's response to antibodies from patients who had the D variant, Choe said, suggesting that vaccines being developed based on the original version of the virus will be effective against the new strain."

It also says, "Solving the mystery of the D614G mutation won't make much of a difference in the short term, Andersen said. "We were unable to deal with D," he said. "If G transmits even better, we're going to be unable to deal with that one.""

The G version is hands down both more infectious and more deadly.  D614 was actually an attenuated version of D614G. Nature doesn't propagate physical and functional deformities unless they confer benefit to the organism.  D614 confers no such benefit-it is a deliberately modified version of D614G that was either released en masse in Wuhan in the hopes that it would field vaccinate residents there, or released with the understanding that it would it would mutate to become much more virulent and deadly.

SARS-CoV-2 is the product of a weapons program.  Is it China's?  Maybe.  Can't help but notice that the only motherfarkers in the world not terrified of it is the Trump Administration.  That makes them just as likely as China for the source in my book.  Don't trust they're cavalier attitude at all.

Dude... Not the appropriate subject for joking about this sort of thing.


He's not joking.  He's an antivaxxer.  So, you know.  A moron.
 
6 days ago  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: tyyreaunn: Five separate studies - albeit not yet reviewed or published - are speculation?

To me? Kind of, yes. Because they "suggest" and the point of peer review is to point out things that could look significant at first glance but really aren't.

Look at all the papers on Hydroxycholoquine that happened before actual rigorous studies were done proving that the drug was at best ineffective against COVID-19.

Skepticism is at the core of science. You cannot assert, you must prove and anybody can find a flaw in your proof and then it's not a poof anymore. You either go back and make your proof more rigorous or you stop talking about it.

It's how the work gets done. Indeed, one reason for preprints is if they shoot your pet theory down as a preprint, no harm - properly used, the preprint process provides more feedback and better studies.


Yeah, that a conclusion is speculation isn't criticism. It's just a fact. Good research exists on a continuum of credibility, depending on how often something has been studying, how many different ways, how rigorous controls were, and so on. Speculation doesn't necessarily mean a couple of bloviating potheads talking through their asses.
 
6 days ago  

dittybopper: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: More infectious strains will always dominate over less fewer infectious strains.

FTFY.

/Pet peave.


The original is grammatically correct. "Less" is modifying "infectious" not "strains". You'd hardly be likely to say the infection is fewer infectious.

/pet peave
 
6 days ago  

Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.


The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).
 
6 days ago  
Prussian_Roulette:
ARE you reasonably sure?  If Biden was President, I'm sure he would've authorized Defense Secretary Corn Pop to sterilize NYC with nukes, just as soon as the Germans were done bombing Pearl Harbor.

Drink mor bleech
 
6 days ago  

CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.

The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).


Well a working country goes a long way in managing these disasters
 
6 days ago  

Lord Dimwit: We have to remember, the primary victims of the Chinese government are the Chinese people.


China has caused unspeakable suffering by depriving Americans of their inalienable rights to haircuts and chain restaurants, and causing us to risk our health by wearing suffocating masks.
 
6 days ago  

CordycepsInYourBrain: Nullav: If the line was, "stay the fark home or get shot," I'd probably stay the fark home. A way more fruitful question would be how South Korea handled it.

The short answer is: Effective government response.

The long answer is: Effective government response, along with a population willing to go along with things that Americans are not, such as extensive non-voluntary contact tracing using cell phone data and, of course, mask-wearing (effing snowflakes).


Yep. It's not really mysterious, but I think a good postmortem (there really are no good words left) on the responses could underscore for a lot of people what we need for any future global pandemics, which seems to boil down to a population that can focus on more than individual wants for a time. Whether it gets enough eyes is up in the air, but it'd be nice.
 
6 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: aungen: I was assured this would not mutate.  I demand a refund!

They have been tracking mutations for months, mainly as a tool to trace how the virus is spreading around the globe. The rate of mutation is low for an RNA virus and only a few of the mutations have showed any indication of being clinically significant. There is also a 'founder effect' where the genetic sequences in one region might look different from those of an earlier outbreak due to the random chance of which variants happened to colonize that new region. So far the mutations have not been in areas which would interfere with an eventual vaccine and/or synthetic antibody treatment.


I know. I'm mocking the people who keep telling me it is stable. :)

And pretending I paid for their advice.  Like ... Charlie Brown level.
 
6 days ago  

great_tigers: herp a derp


Brain like a billiard ball, that one.
 
6 days ago  
Because they're lying through their farking teeth?  Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to believe anything China says?
 
6 days ago  
Not having a complete idiot like Trump, Boris, or Bolsenaro in charge of the response is probably a far greater factor....
 
6 days ago  
My guess, they are lying. They lied about it when it started and they are still lying.
 
6 days ago  
It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.
 
6 days ago  

bikkurikun: It's really kind of funny, and sad, reading this thread full of people rehashing again debunked conspiracy theories about what China did (They are welding building shut! Gun to the head! Smoke from cremations visible from space!) just because they are mentally unable to admit that China is more competent at something than the United States.


Okay comrade.
 
6 days ago  
G as in Gates?
G as in 5G?
China not affected, but the western world is?
International Marxist conspiracy confirmed!

/not serious
//but you know it will be a talking point on Facebook and/ Faux News
///has Trump endorsed the 5G conspiracy theory yet?
 
6 days ago  
Is this the same China that said nothing was wrong? subby.
 
6 days ago  

some_beer_drinker: great_tigers: nope, it's because of trump.

Don't worry though, it will all go away once Biden is elected.

this is god's punishment for electing trump


Please don't blame God for this.  Darwin can do this job just fine with only Trump's help.

More seriously, if the G version is more infectious, all the countries that did their masking and lockdowns early had a huge advantage over the countries that did it late, which makes Trump's negligence much more damaging.
 
6 days ago  

Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.


It's not just SARS.  There was a pneumonic plague outbreak in the late 1800s, and a big debate over whether masks would help or not (remember that the Germ Theory of Disease was still pretty new by then, and China had its own medical theories); the big proponent of "no masks" died later the same day.  (To be fair, a lot of the argument was about whether it was bubonic plague, where masks don't make much difference, vs. pneumonic.)

And masks got a lot of resistance, and weren't at all close to universal, but they learned some things.  Then they had the 1918 flu pandemic, and a few others here and there, and gradually they got the clue.

And it's not just China.  Almost all of Africa kept COVID under tight control, having just had Ebola as a lesson.  There were fewer total cases of COVID on the whole continent than there have been deaths from COVID in the US.  (A few countries may fail on that, mostly the ones with ongoing wars or crazy post-colonial leaders, but at least Mugabe is gone.)
 
6 days ago  

stuffy: Is this the same China that said nothing was wrong? subby.


They said plenty was wrong, not their fault the United states is a failed state that can't do anything right except extra judicially kill Minorities
 
6 days ago  

billstewart: Christian Bale: because they went through SARS and they know that shiat is real and you don't do stupid shiat like not wearing masks or telling other people to not wear masks.

It's not just SARS.  There was a pneumonic plague outbreak in the late 1800s, and a big debate over whether masks would help or not (remember that the Germ Theory of Disease was still pretty new by then, and China had its own medical theories); the big proponent of "no masks" died later the same day.  (To be fair, a lot of the argument was about whether it was bubonic plague, where masks don't make much difference, vs. pneumonic.)

And masks got a lot of resistance, and weren't at all close to universal, but they learned some things.  Then they had the 1918 flu pandemic, and a few others here and there, and gradually they got the clue.

And it's not just China.  Almost all of Africa kept COVID under tight control, having just had Ebola as a lesson.  There were fewer total cases of COVID on the whole continent than there have been deaths from COVID in the US. (A few countries may fail on that, mostly the ones with ongoing wars or crazy post-colonial leaders, but at least Mugabe is gone.)


383,990 confirmed cases in Africa as of June 23, so no, not even close, and this is certainly enormously undercounted, with so many countries in Africa not having even the most basic health care infrastructure, much less the ability to test.
 
5 days ago  

Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.


Kill whitey, right?
 
5 days ago  
Jeez, I'm disappointed by how few Resident Evil G-Virus jokes are on here. Not a single picture of a G-Virus mutant/William Birkin.
 
5 days ago  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: G as in Gates?
G as in 5G?
China not affected, but the western world is?
International Marxist conspiracy confirmed!

/not serious
//but you know it will be a talking point on Facebook and/ Faux News
///has Trump endorsed the 5G conspiracy theory yet?



For anyone who might be curious:

Fark user imageView Full Size


"XnnnY" means "the amino acid X normally found at position nnn in the sequence was replaced by a Y".
 
5 days ago  

way south: Anenu: Because they are an authoritarian system and the people are more compliant? That isn't meant as praise simply a the fact that a lot less people would be going to bars without mask if the cops were busy busting their heads instead of minorities.

There are quite a few ugly stories of what China did to prevent travel between cities and enforce quarantines. Many didn't go willingly. It appears likely they went so far as permanently silencing some sources to try and save face.  It's not beyond them to openly fudge numbers.
At the same time they left international airports open and spent quite a bit of effort spreading propaganda to redirect blame from the government.
I'm not convinced they managed to pull off a miracle, they were just better at coercing media into saying they did.  I think as time goes on and the full story leaks out, it would be in China's best interest to come clean.


The actual deaths in Wuhan were 10 to 50 times greater than reported, based on traffic in crematoriums.

The way China's government tells lies and everyone still believes them its amazing.
Now they have 3 million Ugyurs  in camps and they are forcing mass sterilizations and abortions on them, kind of slow genocide, and still hardly a peep from media who are obsessed with the latest tweet from you know who.
 
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