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2020-06-29 12:43:55 PM  
"What's your favorite Radeon graphics card?"

AIW 9600. Affordable and came w/ free HL2 (upon release, via Steam). Slapped a good-sized passive cooler on it for silent lurvin'. Card could do almost anything. Badabing.
 
2020-06-29 1:21:45 PM  
Buying ATi was a bad move. AMD Fusion was a terrible time for the company. Just glad they got back on their feet with Zen.
 
2020-06-29 1:33:00 PM  
I may be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride.
 
2020-06-29 1:56:56 PM  
My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.
 
2020-06-29 2:06:20 PM  

I Like Bread: My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.


Not necessarily

https://www.amazon.com/Prostar-NH58AF​1​-3200Mhz-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B087LRLB78/r​ef=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=3700x&qid=​1593394549&s=pc&sr=1-6&th=1

Thats a 3700x laptop
 
2020-06-29 2:14:05 PM  

cman: I Like Bread: My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.

Not necessarily

https://www.amazon.com/Prostar-NH58AF1​-3200Mhz-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B087LRLB78/r​ef=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=3700x&qid=​1593394549&s=pc&sr=1-6&th=1

Thats a 3700x laptop


There is NO WAY I would buy that.

Here's a tip if you are thinking about buying a high-end "gaming laptop":

Don't buy one.

They *all* die from heat. It's just not possible to cool them well enough. If you want to play games, buy a desktop. It'll be cheaper, and faster, and better-cooled. And you can use the money you save to buy a cheap laptop to carry around with you.
 
2020-06-29 2:19:56 PM  

I Like Bread: My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.


Agreed. You never really could do a whole lot with a laptop just due to the form factor, but it did help immensely to prolong the thing's life when even just the battery, memory, and HDD could be replaced.

I managed to nurse a laptop through undergrad and grad school by swapping out some parts, adding a PC card to replace a fried Ethernet port on the mobo, and having a friend rebuild the battery pack (he was a much neater hand with a soldering iron than I was).

/Not to mention that one time I had to replace the keyboard after spilling beer on it.
 
2020-06-29 2:35:36 PM  

realmolo: cman: I Like Bread: My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.

Not necessarily

https://www.amazon.com/Prostar-NH58AF1​-3200Mhz-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B087LRLB78/r​ef=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=3700x&qid=​1593394549&s=pc&sr=1-6&th=1

Thats a 3700x laptop

There is NO WAY I would buy that.

Here's a tip if you are thinking about buying a high-end "gaming laptop":

Don't buy one.

They *all* die from heat. It's just not possible to cool them well enough. If you want to play games, buy a desktop. It'll be cheaper, and faster, and better-cooled. And you can use the money you save to buy a cheap laptop to carry around with you.


I must have had great luck with all the gaming laptops I've owned over the years.

Never had one die on me.

I usually only keep them a couple years before upgrading.
That is usually the sweet spot for good resale of a used gaming laptop.
 
2020-06-29 2:39:05 PM  
For someone who is totally lost comparing CPUs or needs a recommendation, i usually send them to Logical Increments

It's a subjective guide to building your own PC with 16 different price categories from Destitute at $250 to Monstrous at $5100

Tellingly AMD dominate 14 of the categories, with only 2 Intel chips present.

On The GPU side, it's AMD in 10 categories, and Nvidia in 9 (they share 3 joint categories) But Nvidia dominates the higher end.

Again, very subjective but it's an eye opener on how AMD is doing everything right from a technical POV
 
2020-06-29 2:52:31 PM  

realmolo: cman: I Like Bread: My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.

Not necessarily

https://www.amazon.com/Prostar-NH58AF1​-3200Mhz-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B087LRLB78/r​ef=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=3700x&qid=​1593394549&s=pc&sr=1-6&th=1

Thats a 3700x laptop

There is NO WAY I would buy that.

Here's a tip if you are thinking about buying a high-end "gaming laptop":

Don't buy one.

They *all* die from heat. It's just not possible to cool them well enough. If you want to play games, buy a desktop. It'll be cheaper, and faster, and better-cooled. And you can use the money you save to buy a cheap laptop to carry around with you.


Asus gaming laptops are good and they last a damned long time in my experience.
 
2020-06-29 2:58:44 PM  

gameshowhost: "What's your favorite Radeon graphics card?"

AIW 9600. Affordable and came w/ free HL2 (upon release, via Steam). Slapped a good-sized passive cooler on it for silent lurvin'. Card could do almost anything. Badabing.


Had this as well. Recorded a buch of videos with that card back then.
 
2020-06-29 3:04:38 PM  
I should have invested last year when the stock was at $11.00/share. What a missed opportunity.
 
2020-06-29 3:05:05 PM  

Explodo: realmolo: cman: I Like Bread: My Acer laptop has a Ryzen 3500u with upgradeable dual-channel memory and an extra 2.5" bay that I put a 1TB SSD in. Hardly anyone makes laptops like this any more; the market's obsession with "thin and light", convertible displays, RGB nonsense, and so on have rendered laptops unserviceable.

Not necessarily

https://www.amazon.com/Prostar-NH58AF1​-3200Mhz-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B087LRLB78/r​ef=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=3700x&qid=​1593394549&s=pc&sr=1-6&th=1

Thats a 3700x laptop

There is NO WAY I would buy that.

Here's a tip if you are thinking about buying a high-end "gaming laptop":

Don't buy one.

They *all* die from heat. It's just not possible to cool them well enough. If you want to play games, buy a desktop. It'll be cheaper, and faster, and better-cooled. And you can use the money you save to buy a cheap laptop to carry around with you.

Asus gaming laptops are good and they last a damned long time in my experience.


My sister-in-law just bought one. It lasted one day before the battery bulged and pushed the touchpad out. There are some brands that are more trusted than others but there's an adage that people need to understand with computers: there is no part so cheap that can't be replaced by something cheaper.
 
2020-06-29 3:44:22 PM  

Robo Beat: I managed to nurse a laptop through undergrad and grad school by swapping out some parts, adding a PC card to replace a fried Ethernet port on the mobo, and having a friend rebuild the battery pack (he was a much neater hand with a soldering iron than I was).

/Not to mention that one time I had to replace the keyboard after spilling beer on it.


Oh ouch.

I started university in 1997. My Dad had just gotten a new Pentium PC so he gave me his old one. A 486 DX/33 with DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11.

My school had all Pentiums running Win 95 and Office 1997. I had Corel WordPerfect (DOS). The two of them hated each other.

So I'd work on assignments in notepad at the university, save it to multiple 3 ½" floppies as a just-in-case, take it home, edit the same file in EDIT (in DOS), finish the file, take it to school on multiple floppies (because my floppies were hit and miss). Then I'd copy/paste it into Word '97, format it the way I needed to, save it, print it off.
 
2020-06-29 3:50:42 PM  

RoLleRKoaSTeR: gameshowhost: "What's your favorite Radeon graphics card?"

AIW 9600. Affordable and came w/ free HL2 (upon release, via Steam). Slapped a good-sized passive cooler on it for silent lurvin'. Card could do almost anything. Badabing.

Had this as well. Recorded a buch of videos with that card back then.


I miss the AIW series.
 
2020-06-29 4:37:34 PM  
Cool story, bro.

I was on the K6, NexGen integration, and K7/Athlon development teams right up through Thunderbird.  At that point, someone way up the chain of command decided that they should put a pile of corporate bean-counters in charge of the wild and crazy "cowboy engineers"  who had created the Athlon. Within six months, about half of the team had quit, transferred, or been fired for resisting.
 
2020-06-29 4:53:38 PM  

Therion: Cool story, bro.

I was on the K6, NexGen integration, and K7/Athlon development teams right up through Thunderbird.  At that point, someone way up the chain of command decided that they should put a pile of corporate bean-counters in charge of the wild and crazy "cowboy engineers"  who had created the Athlon. Within six months, about half of the team had quit, transferred, or been fired for resisting.


I loved my 1 ghz Thunderbird my heat-sink was solid copper, and overclocked it with the pencil trick. I think the heat-sink is still kicking around my house somewhere.
 
2020-06-29 5:51:59 PM  
Explodo:
Asus gaming laptops are good and they last a damned long time in my experience.

Your sample size is too small. If you do service work or know people who do, you'll come to see this reality very quickly, especially since the gamers are the ones most desperate to get their MSI, Asus, Acer or Alienware back up and running.

realmole is 100% correct. Gaming and notebook and two ideas that sit at cross purposes to one another. At some point, the cooling solution for the gaming hardware will falter and the whole thing will burn out and die. Usually it'll take the system board with it. MAYBE you bought one with a user-replaceable GPU, in which case you'll find out that all upper tier hardware is outrageously expensive because the physical interface keeps changing and the old ones burn up so easily.
 
2020-06-29 7:28:53 PM  
The first time in my life that I had a CPU that was near cutting edge was a 1GHz Thunderbird. At the time it was a monster.

/A couple years ago I got a Ryzen 2700. Also a monster.
 
2020-06-29 7:42:14 PM  

tedthebellhopp: Therion: Cool story, bro.

I was on the K6, NexGen integration, and K7/Athlon development teams right up through Thunderbird.  At that point, someone way up the chain of command decided that they should put a pile of corporate bean-counters in charge of the wild and crazy "cowboy engineers"  who had created the Athlon. Within six months, about half of the team had quit, transferred, or been fired for resisting.

I loved my 1 ghz Thunderbird my heat-sink was solid copper, and overclocked it with the pencil trick. I think the heat-sink is still kicking around my house somewhere.


I've written this story before... but, here it is again:

I owned the most powerful computer in Billings...

It had a 1.0Ghz (OC to 1.6... lots of fans, and a second PSU... don't think I've mentioned that part... 3.5" server fan @2000rpm... ran on a 5w piggyback. Jesus. I'm getting old...)Athlon T-Bird, a VooDoo Banshee videocard, SoundBlaster AWE32 sound card and (PREPARE YOUR EYES)...64MB of RAM. It was a thing of beauty... Logitech trackball 5-button FPS cheat device. Keyboard from the $5 bin at Computer Renaissance (R.I.P.). Microsoft Sidewinder pad... that ran through a pin connector. Looked like a boomerang. Best damn controller ever. $90. Not cheap.

I made Quake III: Arena look better than Dreamcast. Panzer Dragoon PC looked amazeballs (for the time). Half-Life on Very High at 80fps+, had to use the limiter... could run NRO GEO rooms at full speed on neoRAGE.

So... thanks. You made my teenage years pretty awesome...

Then, in 2002.... KLEZ.
 
2020-06-29 9:11:52 PM  
I've been replacing older servers with Ryzen processors.  Some of our system is running two decades old software so it is very lean by todays standards.  Since it needs some security isolation, I've been building systems with Ryzen 5 3600 which are the cheapest that support ECC.  I've got a Arsrack x470 board that has lights out management.   The new machines are using far less power than the older stuff but we don't push them.  The things are only using 1/3 of the ram and most of that is for the ZFS cache. The oldest stuff they replaced is close to 10 years old and the Ryzen clocks in about 210 times faster doing some crypto stuff.
 
2020-06-29 11:09:03 PM  
About 3 months ago I started on a plan to build a new Ryzen 3700X desktop for software development.  It had been almost 2 decades since I'd built myself a system from all new components, as oppose to incremental upgrades.  I figured prices would drop in the next few months, so I made a list of major components and bought the RAM.

Soon the price of the CPU edged down, but the screaming fast Sabrent 1TB NVMe, PCIe 4.0 SSD went *up* by 10%.  Next, the $170 X570 mobo I'd picked went out of stock everywhere I looked.  Today I see that almost all sub-$200 mobos are out of stock or listing no less than 2-3 weeks to shipping.  And many of the sub-$300 X570 boards are out of stock too.  I configured and priced up such a system at Dell, only to find their ship dates are in late July, and that's not even for an X570 based system.

I'm taking this lack of stock to mean those Ryzen systems are selling like hell, especially the most affordable ones that support PCIe 4.0.  I should have just plunked down my credit card back in March.
 
2020-06-30 6:50:28 AM  

Therion: Cool story, bro.

I was on the K6, NexGen integration, and K7/Athlon development teams right up through Thunderbird.  At that point, someone way up the chain of command decided that they should put a pile of corporate bean-counters in charge of the wild and crazy "cowboy engineers"  who had created the Athlon. Within six months, about half of the team had quit, transferred, or been fired for resisting.


Oh damn.
Both cool and uncool.

Been team AMD (as CPU's go at least) since the K6. Went from that to an Athlon, jumped to an Athlon II x3, and used that for nearly 10 years until I got my Ryzen 5 2600 last year (which I plan on swapping for a R 5 3600x soon).

Never did get to play with any of the Phenom's, but do have a friend still rocking his Phenom2 build i put together for him ages ago.

Always avoided their GPU's though, they may have had better hardware than nVidia at times, but f*ck their piece of sh*t drivers.
 
2020-06-30 6:53:22 AM  

SansNeural: About 3 months ago I started on a plan to build a new Ryzen 3700X desktop for software development.  It had been almost 2 decades since I'd built myself a system from all new components, as oppose to incremental upgrades.  I figured prices would drop in the next few months, so I made a list of major components and bought the RAM.

Soon the price of the CPU edged down, but the screaming fast Sabrent 1TB NVMe, PCIe 4.0 SSD went *up* by 10%.  Next, the $170 X570 mobo I'd picked went out of stock everywhere I looked.  Today I see that almost all sub-$200 mobos are out of stock or listing no less than 2-3 weeks to shipping.  And many of the sub-$300 X570 boards are out of stock too.  I configured and priced up such a system at Dell, only to find their ship dates are in late July, and that's not even for an X570 based system.

I'm taking this lack of stock to mean those Ryzen systems are selling like hell, especially the most affordable ones that support PCIe 4.0.  I should have just plunked down my credit card back in March.


Get yourself one of the B550 Chipset motherboards if you can't find the X. Be sure it's the 550 to take advantage of that pcie4.0 NVMe, and ensure upgradability for the CPU to the Ryzen 4xxx line, as they will not be supported by the 450 Chipset line. (Woe unto me, but at least I can do a bios flash and drop a 3xxx in mine).
 
2020-06-30 4:41:50 PM  

envirovore: as they will not be supported by the 450 Chipset line. (Woe unto me, but at least I can do a bios flash and drop a 3xxx in mine).


AMD Backtracks: B450, X470 Motherboards WILL Now Support Zen 3!
Youtube emtRzJW7yrg
 
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