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(NYPost)   For once Florida Gov. DeSantis is not wrong concerning the coronavirus pandemic and its recent surge   (nypost.com) divider line
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2020-06-29 12:00:23 PM  
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But his intent to deflect his own failures.  I'm surprised he hasn't gone full Trump (he might get there) and say young people in the state he governs are being irresponsible simply to make him look bad.
 
2020-06-29 12:07:42 PM  
Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.
 
2020-06-29 12:55:40 PM  
In places where there's strong leadership that sort of thing doesn't happen, but yeah blame the public I guess and hope nobody looks behind the curtain.
 
2020-06-29 1:21:35 PM  

thorpe: Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.


"Why are young people crowding the bars I opened far too soon?  Why are the violating largely unenforced rules to maintain public health?"

It's like blaming the dog for drinking from the toilet when you forgot to put water in its bowl.
 
2020-06-29 1:29:27 PM  
Gov. DeSantis blames young people partying for coronavirus surge

And where are they partying? Oh right, the places you reopened.
 
2020-06-29 2:19:10 PM  
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2020-06-29 2:53:36 PM  

thorpe: Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.


At 5pm today, bars in PA are supposed to stop serving drinks except for takeout, but they're allowed to serve food. It's going to be too easy to still serve drinks inside, I think.
 
2020-06-29 3:00:19 PM  
Hey you damn kids stay off of my lawn. I mean I know I reopened the lawn and what you were doing was in line with my leadership but DAGNABBIT now you're making ME look bad!
 
2020-06-29 3:42:19 PM  

lindalouwho: thorpe: Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.

At 5pm today, bars in PA are supposed to stop serving drinks except for takeout, but they're allowed to serve food. It's going to be too easy to still serve drinks inside, I think.


Here in northern MD close to the PA line I've been happily suprised at the local bar/restaurants. Being open or closed has depended on virus stats and not on alcohol/no alcohol. Even though bar/restaurants are allowed to be open inside with 50% capacity few of them have done that, and absolutely none allow anything to happen at the bar rail itself besides ordering with masks on. Some already have outdoor decks which are in use with tables spread out. A couple more have set up outside areas with tables/chairs on parking lots and they're somewhat used. I guess that's OK if you like sitting on an asphalt parking lot next to street traffic exhaust. I'm pretty happy with how it's going locally but I don't know how it is in the western part of the state.
 
2020-06-29 3:58:21 PM  

thorpe: lindalouwho: thorpe: Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.

At 5pm today, bars in PA are supposed to stop serving drinks except for takeout, but they're allowed to serve food. It's going to be too easy to still serve drinks inside, I think.

Here in northern MD close to the PA line I've been happily suprised at the local bar/restaurants. Being open or closed has depended on virus stats and not on alcohol/no alcohol. Even though bar/restaurants are allowed to be open inside with 50% capacity few of them have done that, and absolutely none allow anything to happen at the bar rail itself besides ordering with masks on. Some already have outdoor decks which are in use with tables spread out. A couple more have set up outside areas with tables/chairs on parking lots and they're somewhat used. I guess that's OK if you like sitting on an asphalt parking lot next to street traffic exhaust. I'm pretty happy with how it's going locally but I don't know how it is in the western part of the state.


When, not if, the case numbers pick up steam, I expect the bars to have to close. I wish that had happened now, but a Dem governor with a republican majority to work with, I think he's trying to please everyone a little.
 
2020-06-29 4:00:11 PM  
Oh wait, this was called by the Allegheny county health department, not the state/governor.
Too many different rules in different places, but the pleasing part still stands with me.
 
2020-06-29 4:00:52 PM  
BUT

You are the the one who made them think it was ok to go party dumbass.
 
2020-06-29 4:03:06 PM  
Sigh.

Young people are intelligent to vote for republicans (if you can call that decision "intelligent" by any stretch of the word), I know they are definitely intelligent enough to follow orders if they are simply explained and if those coming up with those orders stand behind them and don't actually signal to everyone around that they find them ridiculous and unnecessary.
 
2020-06-29 4:03:07 PM  
Except he's still totally and completely full of shiat.

But sure subby.  Young people are the reason Republicans were wrong.  Run with that.
 
2020-06-29 4:03:38 PM  
"If you look at that 25 to 34 age group, that is now by far the leading age group for positive tests," Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Sunday

New York City is chock full of people in this age bracket who spend their entire lives in bars and restaurants that are smaller than one aisle at Publix.

You know what they've been doing?  Not going to bars, because they haven't been open for 3.5 months.
 
2020-06-29 4:04:16 PM  
"If you look at that 25 to 34 age group, that is now by far the leading age group for positive tests," Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Sunday, as seen on Wink News.

And not because that's the age group being forced to cook & serve for boomers who think "masks are for f**s."
 
2020-06-29 4:05:31 PM  
He'll probably just prohibit dancing.
 
2020-06-29 4:07:10 PM  
He insisted you "can't control" them because "they're younger people."

"They're going to do what they're going to do," DeSantis said.


Seriously, GFY, DeSantis!
 
2020-06-29 4:07:38 PM  
Yes, young people sometimes act stupid and don't consider consequences. That's why grown ups are supposed to do their darn best to set an example and explain consequences. Basically, that's the opposite of what worthless morons like the Governor have been doing.
 
2020-06-29 4:08:13 PM  
Is there any case data on money grubbin bosses forcing people back into cubicles with ahole coworkers who get super close and refuse to wear a mask? I feel like there should be data on that.
 
2020-06-29 4:08:17 PM  

thorpe: Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.


Yes. Because old people love bars!!!
 
2020-06-29 4:08:24 PM  
thorpe:  Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.

Old people don't go out nearly as much to crowded places, nor do they travel nearly as much outside their home area to spread it.  Also, the main cities like Orlando, Tampa, Miami, etc don't really have many more old people than any other America city.  Old people retire to smaller, quieter cities and communities.

DeSantis is right.  Although he's right because he said it was ok to reopen everything.
 
2020-06-29 4:08:41 PM  
Huh, and whose the jack ass in charge that opened everything back up so they could do that?
 
2020-06-29 4:10:02 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: New York City is chock full of people in this age bracket who spend their entire lives in bars and restaurants that are smaller than one aisle at Publix.


That's my favourite type of bar. I used to spent quite a few evenings in Europe's smallest bar (according to their owners), which happens to be in the beautiful city of Aachen, Germany.
 
2020-06-29 4:10:26 PM  
What's up with the one guy saying "It's a weaker strain, so it is getting spread faster?"

Is there any conclusive evidence that there has been a new strain that has any significant impact on symptoms or transmission?  Yes, I know there are different genetic markers that have let epidemiogists track 'different strains'.  But aren't they widely acknowledged to have little or no impact on symptoms and transmission?

I know there was one paper out of LANL that showed they found one 'strain' where the spike tips were slightly longer, which they speculated might make it somewhat more transmissible and dangerous.  But that was mostly a theory backed up by some statistical analysis of how different strains were distributed and how fast they were spreading in relation to each other.  As far as I recall, it wasn't statistically definitive.  And it also certainly wasn't a "milder strain".  Has something else been discovered?  Do we now have verified multiple actual strains?  Because that would actually be really bad news for a vaccine.
 
2020-06-29 4:10:28 PM  
ron desantis, 41 year old mass murderer. murder by incompetence.

if he gave half a crap about his constituents (and i am one) he would announce a statewide universal public building mask rule tomorrow. with BIG FINES for violators. and CLOSE all the bars (not just "ban drinking on the premises" which conveniently prevents unemployment claims.) and BAN all indoor dining. just to start!

but he won't. he'd rather let 100,000 (or more) die in his own state than pry his lips away from trump's sticky, pulsing asshole...
 
2020-06-29 4:10:57 PM  
DeSantis is a farking idiot, so I have no choice but to conclude he's full of shiat here.
 
2020-06-29 4:12:14 PM  
An elected GOP official doesn't have the first understanding of the role leadership and influence plays in society. Color me shocked.
 
2020-06-29 4:12:41 PM  

lindalouwho: Oh wait, this was called by the Allegheny county health department, not the state/governor.
Too many different rules in different places, but the pleasing part still stands with me.


I definitely wish we had waited another month before thinking about re-opening in Pittsburgh.  A few of the breweries (Yay Grist!) just kept selling cans and didn't reopen.  But it seems like once we went "green" 80%+ of the population decided we were back to normal.  There's still an official mask mandate, and in stores most comply, even if they wear their mask wrong, but a few miles out of Pittsburgh there isn't even a semblance of concern.
 
2020-06-29 4:13:16 PM  
"Wait...you mean to tell me that governors are expected to govern?!?!  Well fark, that changes everything!  I want a new job."
 
2020-06-29 4:13:17 PM  

UltimaCS: "If you look at that 25 to 34 age group, that is now by far the leading age group for positive tests," Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Sunday, as seen on Wink News.

And not because that's the age group being forced to cook & serve for boomers who think "masks are for f**s."


^This.  Everytime someone brings this up, I feel it is important to point out that people 25-35 are also the most likely to be back to work full time in a risky environment like retail.

For sure going to crowded bars and parties is dumb, and there is a lot of that going on.  But it's stupid to think that at least some of this spike isn't because people are being forced to go back to work in public facing positions.
 
2020-06-29 4:15:05 PM  
Toxic masculinity will never blame itself for its transgressions or failures.

Because this is what it all boils down to. Politics is only there as a middle-man. The base grievance is that doing something considerate, doing the right thing, doing what's recommended by smart people, makes you look "weak" or "like a p***sy" or some infantile bullsh*t.
 
2020-06-29 4:16:50 PM  

Laptopia: What's up with the one guy saying "It's a weaker strain, so it is getting spread faster?"

Is there any conclusive evidence that there has been a new strain that has any significant impact on symptoms or transmission?


It's my understanding that weaker strains can spread faster because they don't create symptoms bad enough to keep everybody home.  So you're still out there spreading it while you're feeling a little under the weather if you're even having symptoms at all.  Also, since it doesn't kill the host at such a high rate, it gives the host alive to go around infecting more people.

Diseases that kill people fast aren't nearly as contagious because the host isn't around long enough to spread it.
 
2020-06-29 4:17:36 PM  

Laptopia: UltimaCS: "If you look at that 25 to 34 age group, that is now by far the leading age group for positive tests," Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Sunday, as seen on Wink News.

And not because that's the age group being forced to cook & serve for boomers who think "masks are for f**s."

^This.  Everytime someone brings this up, I feel it is important to point out that people 25-35 are also the most likely to be back to work full time in a risky environment like retail.

For sure going to crowded bars and parties is dumb, and there is a lot of that going on.  But it's stupid to think that at least some of this spike isn't because people are being forced to go back to work in public facing positions.


Also this.

Retired boomers, living cushy, boring lives from the shard of the American Dream they've kept from everyone else, are blaming the spike on the people forced to risk death because they don't make a living wage and can't afford to miss work.
 
2020-06-29 4:18:47 PM  

thorpe: Buried in the article is the blame put on bars. Easier to blame the young people first since so many old people live in Florida.


Young people already know the government lies and is impotent in its ability to help them. Of course people will go out not like anything is going to get better.

The lockdown period was the closest thing a majority of young Americans will get have that resembles retirement.
 
2020-06-29 4:18:56 PM  
The Arizona governor has been trying the same tack with respect for deflecting blame.

You can't blame people (of any age) for going to restaurants and bars if you choose to reopen them. The act of reopening them is saying that it's safe by dint of doing so. You also can't blame the restaurants and bars for reopening if you allow them to do so, because they need to be able to pay their bills.

In Arizona, when they did the reopening, "officially", restaurants were supposed to have both masks and social distancing between tables. However, Governor Ducey said that those were only recommendations and it would not be enforced (and he barred cities and counties from enforcing it, although I think he's rescinded that since). So unsurprisingly, many restaurants didn't do it, because eliminating half of their tables costs them money.
 
2020-06-29 4:19:38 PM  
And now local governments are stepping up because Desantis refuses to do so.

Palm Beach, Broward, Monroe, and Miami-Dade counties are closing their beaches for the 4th of July weekend to try to slow down the spread.

Unfortunately what will actually happen is everyone will head to Naples and Ft. Myers and spread the virus there.
 
2020-06-29 4:20:28 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Laptopia: What's up with the one guy saying "It's a weaker strain, so it is getting spread faster?"

Is there any conclusive evidence that there has been a new strain that has any significant impact on symptoms or transmission?

It's my understanding that weaker strains can spread faster because they don't create symptoms bad enough to keep everybody home.  So you're still out there spreading it while you're feeling a little under the weather if you're even having symptoms at all.  Also, since it doesn't kill the host at such a high rate, it gives the host alive to go around infecting more people.

Diseases that kill people fast aren't nearly as contagious because the host isn't around long enough to spread it.


Yeah, I understand that much, and it is true.  I am asking:  Do we have any actual evidence that a milder strain has developed, beyond the self-serving assertion of this politician?  We might, I could have missed the news.
 
2020-06-29 4:20:54 PM  
Uh oh, someone didn't get the "blame protests" memo
 
2020-06-29 4:23:54 PM  
Thing is, there are idiots here that think DeSantis is a good governor and they actually listen to what he says.  I know it's hard to believe, but it's true.  So no, asshole, you cannot blame this on those darned kids.  You opened things and up and told them it was ok to do whatever they wanted to.  This is absolutely your fault.
 
2020-06-29 4:24:42 PM  
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2020-06-29 4:25:17 PM  

CarnySaur: He'll probably just prohibit dancing.


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2020-06-29 4:26:56 PM  

TDWCom29: Uh oh, someone didn't get the "blame protests" memo


He tried to make up for it by blaming migrant workers for choosing the live like poors even though we pay them 6 figure salaries.
 
2020-06-29 4:27:53 PM  

TDWCom29: Uh oh, someone didn't get the "blame protests" memo


he can't.

yes, there were some protests, tampa, miami, gainesville. my town of 90,000 had literally a dozen people in front of the police main station for 2 days........

but the florida protests were NOTHING like what was seen in chicago, for example. and cases in chicago are still going down every day. they also happen to have a statewide mask rule.

cases in minnesota are also going down.

the only thing desantis can blame this one is him pretending "it's like the flu" and NOT announcing a mask rule.... followed by reopening the damn bars and telling retail big box stores to stop counting the people inside.
 
2020-06-29 4:28:12 PM  

Laptopia: What's up with the one guy saying "It's a weaker strain, so it is getting spread faster?"

Is there any conclusive evidence that there has been a new strain that has any significant impact on symptoms or transmission?  Yes, I know there are different genetic markers that have let epidemiogists track 'different strains'.  But aren't they widely acknowledged to have little or no impact on symptoms and transmission?

I know there was one paper out of LANL that showed they found one 'strain' where the spike tips were slightly longer, which they speculated might make it somewhat more transmissible and dangerous.  But that was mostly a theory backed up by some statistical analysis of how different strains were distributed and how fast they were spreading in relation to each other.  As far as I recall, it wasn't statistically definitive.  And it also certainly wasn't a "milder strain".  Has something else been discovered?  Do we now have verified multiple actual strains?  Because that would actually be really bad news for a vaccine.


I saw a guy on The 700 Club selling  book about the weakened virus strain. My immediate thought was I have never heard of a virus becoming less deadly. That goes against the evolution of survival for it.

The weakened strain is another of the MAGAt talking points.


/my two cents
 
2020-06-29 4:30:09 PM  

saturn badger: Laptopia: What's up with the one guy saying "It's a weaker strain, so it is getting spread faster?"

Is there any conclusive evidence that there has been a new strain that has any significant impact on symptoms or transmission?  Yes, I know there are different genetic markers that have let epidemiogists track 'different strains'.  But aren't they widely acknowledged to have little or no impact on symptoms and transmission?

I know there was one paper out of LANL that showed they found one 'strain' where the spike tips were slightly longer, which they speculated might make it somewhat more transmissible and dangerous.  But that was mostly a theory backed up by some statistical analysis of how different strains were distributed and how fast they were spreading in relation to each other.  As far as I recall, it wasn't statistically definitive.  And it also certainly wasn't a "milder strain".  Has something else been discovered?  Do we now have verified multiple actual strains?  Because that would actually be really bad news for a vaccine.

I saw a guy on The 700 Club selling  book about the weakened virus strain. My immediate thought was I have never heard of a virus becoming less deadly. That goes against the evolution of survival for it.

The weakened strain is another of the MAGAt talking points.


/my two cents


No it's common for viruses to become less deadly in order to spread more effectively. Dead people don't spread the virus. That said, it takes many years for new viruses to become less deadly.
 
2020-06-29 4:40:04 PM  
My parents live in Central FL near, an hour or so outside the Retirement Dystopia that is the Villages. They're reporting about a 40-60% mask usage depending on where you're at. This part of FL you won't find a single soul under than age of 50 for miles around (unless someones kids/grandkids are visiting. Being older they are high risk and my step dad suffers from pretty bad Asthma putting him at even greater risk. Needless to say they've been taking the pandemic super seriously since day one.

You can blame "the kids" all you want, but the truth, like the virus, doesn't give a shiat about your spin.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a way of stirring up the R-base of Seniors.
 
2020-06-29 4:50:27 PM  
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2020-06-29 4:59:10 PM  
DeSantis really monkeyed this up.
 
2020-06-29 5:24:28 PM  
I was afraid we'd run out of things to blame on millennials
 
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