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2020-06-29 11:11:10 AM  
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2020-06-29 11:11:54 AM  
One one hand,executions bad...
On the other, a white supremacist dies...

Twobuttonsweatyguy.jpg
 
2020-06-29 11:12:25 AM  
Interesting timing, considering treason is a capital offense.
 
2020-06-29 11:12:46 AM  
Trump seen to be more nervous than one may otherwise expect
 
2020-06-29 11:12:53 AM  
"Pro-life"  LOL

If criminals really deserved to die,I'd be pissing on Trump and Kavanaugh's grave right now.
 
2020-06-29 11:13:22 AM  
I'm rather ambivalent about the death penalty as a whole, but certainly won't shed a tear for this jackhole being ended.
 
2020-06-29 11:14:06 AM  
FTA:
'Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou. The other three death row inmates were also convicted of especially brutal murders involving children.'

Normally I am against a death sentence, but I may have to revise my opinion if these are the types of people sentenced to it.
 
2020-06-29 11:16:28 AM  

IrishinTexas: FTA:
'Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou. The other three death row inmates were also convicted of especially brutal murders involving children.'

Normally I am against a death sentence, but I may have to revise my opinion if these are the types of people sentenced to it.


Shame, he was great in Gangs of NY and There Will Be Blood. Life comes at u fast.

Waht? Im hgih.
 
2020-06-29 11:17:35 AM  

CthulhuCalling: One one hand,executions bad...
On the other, a white supremacist dies...

Twobuttonsweatyguy.jpg


I expect a prompt flurry of orange-stained tweets about how Daniel Lewis Lee's trial was a travesty, economic anxiety, railroaded by liberal activist judges, pardon, medals, et cetera.
 
2020-06-29 11:17:37 AM  
I sometimes think I have strange opinions. I'm 100% opposed to the death penalty. But, if it is going to exist, it should be a firing squad.

Killing someone shouldn't make someone suffer (fark you electric chair) and it shouldn't be this fake medical procedure lethal injection bullshiat. You're killing someone, your hands shouldn't be clean, you should know what you've done.

/sadly I think there would be hundreds of volunteers for every spot in the firing squad
 
2020-06-29 11:17:43 AM  
Since this is the Trump regime we're talking about here, they will find some way to botch it up, reverse golden touch and all.
 
2020-06-29 11:17:48 AM  
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2020-06-29 11:18:02 AM  
That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.
 
2020-06-29 11:18:05 AM  
Trump first
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Trump wants to be numer one, so lets let him.
 
2020-06-29 11:18:53 AM  

IrishinTexas: FTA:
'Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou. The other three death row inmates were also convicted of especially brutal murders involving children.'

Normally I am against a death sentence, but I may have to revise my opinion if these are the types of people sentenced to it.


I don't know if it is a principle if you're willing to throw it overboard just because you don't like the person.

That sounds horrific, but I'm more than happy to leave them behind bars for the rest of their life
 
2020-06-29 11:19:44 AM  

Gubbo: I sometimes think I have strange opinions. I'm 100% opposed to the death penalty. But, if it is going to exist, it should be a firing squad.

Killing someone shouldn't make someone suffer (fark you electric chair) and it shouldn't be this fake medical procedure lethal injection bullshiat. You're killing someone, your hands shouldn't be clean, you should know what you've done.

/sadly I think there would be hundreds of volunteers for every spot in the firing squad


Yup.  The North Korean AA gun execution seems horrible, but shiat, you're dead before your brain even has a chance to register the gun being fired.
 
2020-06-29 11:19:53 AM  

CthulhuCalling: One one hand,executions bad...
On the other, a white supremacist dies...

Twobuttonsweatyguy.jpg


yeah:  "...Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou"

I'm generally opposed to the death penalty for a couple of reasons, but WellBye.jpg
 
2020-06-29 11:20:12 AM  

Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.


Yup.  In a little cell.
 
2020-06-29 11:20:38 AM  
I would not want to be arrested for Treason right now.
 
2020-06-29 11:21:09 AM  

Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.


It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.
 
2020-06-29 11:21:23 AM  

WeedBong420: IrishinTexas: FTA:
'Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou. The other three death row inmates were also convicted of especially brutal murders involving children.'

Normally I am against a death sentence, but I may have to revise my opinion if these are the types of people sentenced to it.

Shame, he was great in Gangs of NY and There Will Be Blood. Life comes at u fast.

Waht? Im hgih.


Username checks out.
 
2020-06-29 11:22:21 AM  

CthulhuCalling: One one hand,executions bad...
On the other, a white supremacist dies...

Twobuttonsweatyguy.jpg


A white supremacist who killed a young child. I'm anti-death penalty, but I won't lose any sleep over this one.

Still, he's not killing anyone from behind bars so isn't that problem already solved?
 
2020-06-29 11:22:27 AM  

The5thElement: Since this is the Trump regime we're talking about here, they will find some way to botch it up, reverse golden touch and all.


So they're going to make these people immortal?
 
2020-06-29 11:23:35 AM  
Governments should not be executing it's citizens, period.

If the crimes they have committed and found guilty of are heinous, then they should live a long life of regret and get to die behind bars.
 
2020-06-29 11:23:42 AM  

BenSaw2: CthulhuCalling: One one hand,executions bad...
On the other, a white supremacist dies...

Twobuttonsweatyguy.jpg

yeah:  "...Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou"

I'm generally opposed to the death penalty for a couple of reasons, but WellBye.jpg


30-06 ammo is cheap, plentiful, and costs less than the cocktail of drugs used to execute prisoners now. Probably kills 'em quicker and with less pain, too.

If we're going to start doing state sanctioned killings, we might as well apply efficiency to the equation.
 
2020-06-29 11:25:13 AM  
They should just use fentanyl. It is plentiful, cheap and quite deadly.
 
2020-06-29 11:25:37 AM  

BenSaw2: Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.

It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.


This. Don't let them have the sweet release of death.
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2020-06-29 11:26:31 AM  
FTFA: "Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou."

Two things: first, while I am categorically opposed to capital punishment, the fact remains that not every example makes for a particularly persuasive argument against the idea. This particular defendant does not seem like a nice man.

Second, TIL that "Illinois Bayou" is a thing.
 
2020-06-29 11:26:40 AM  

IrishinTexas: FTA:
'Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou. The other three death row inmates were also convicted of especially brutal murders involving children.'

Normally I am against a death sentence, but I may have to revise my opinion if these are the types of people sentenced to it.


Yeah, I saw the picture of the death chamber above, thought "what a horrible place to have been built in my name", read that about drowning an eight year old and thought "not horrible enough."

Of course, there are the other times when the govt kills the wrong person, so there's that.
 
2020-06-29 11:27:20 AM  
This focuses on Kehoe, the "celebrity" of the crime, but just insert Lee's name whenever you see the other.

. . .three Arkansas murders, including that of an 8-year-old girl who had a plastic bag duct-taped over her head. As Sarah Elizabeth Powell suffocated to death, she was apparently tortured with electric cattle prods to reveal where her gun-dealer stepfather hid his gold and other valuables.

Officials also believe the little girl first may have been forced to watch while her stepfather William Mueller, 52, and mother Nancy, 28, were suffocated in a January 1996 triple homicide that shocked even seasoned murder detectives.


https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-ha​t​e/intelligence-report/1998/trail-death​-follows-white-supremacist-gang-led-ch​evie-kehoe
 
2020-06-29 11:27:31 AM  

BenSaw2: Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.

It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.


As opposed to keeping the wrong person in prison until they die?
 
2020-06-29 11:29:14 AM  
CthulhuCalling:30-06 ammo is cheap, plentiful, and costs less than the cocktail of drugs used to execute prisoners now. Probably kills 'em quicker and with less pain, too.

If we're going to start doing state sanctioned killings, we might as well apply efficiency to the equation.


True, but the cruelty is the point. The revenge pornographers can't get off unless suffering is inflicted.
 
2020-06-29 11:29:15 AM  

Gubbo: I sometimes think I have strange opinions. I'm 100% opposed to the death penalty. But, if it is going to exist, it should be a firing squad.

Killing someone shouldn't make someone suffer (fark you electric chair) and it shouldn't be this fake medical procedure lethal injection bullshiat. You're killing someone, your hands shouldn't be clean, you should know what you've done.

/sadly I think there would be hundreds of volunteers for every spot in the firing squad


When they tie a rock to an 8yo girl and throw her in a swamp?  Sorry, bring back Breaking By The Wheel for that shiat.
 
2020-06-29 11:30:14 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BenSaw2: Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.

It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.

As opposed to keeping the wrong person in prison until they die?


If it turns out it was the wrong person, you can always set them free. It's vastly more difficult to bring them back from the dead
 
2020-06-29 11:31:25 AM  
The death penalty is barbaric and expensive.  It should be abolished.

It costs less to imprison someone for life without parole than to have them executed.

And we have executed innocent people before.

Abolish this shiat.
 
2020-06-29 11:31:31 AM  

BenSaw2: Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.

It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.


It's weird though that we accept automatic appeals for someone who is going to be executed. But not for someone who is going to spend the rest of their life in prison. Because if we accept that we murder innocent people in the name of revenge (which we definitely do) we would need to accept that we jail innocent people too and I would hope that we provide every opportunity to those people to prove their innocence on appeal.

Now obviously, if new evidence comes to light someone who was sentenced to life in prison has a chance to be freed whereas we can't reanimate those we've killed. But sometimes even when new evidence is found, it doesn't get provided to the innocent prisoner.

Tl;dr: Someone sentenced to life in prison should have the same appeal options that someone sentenced to death has.
 
2020-06-29 11:31:48 AM  
1. I'm against the death penalty for the simple reason that I don't think it's a good idea for a state to have any legal ability to kill its citizens. Slippery slope, sure. But it's easier to slide from 'kill only the really bad guys' than it is to 'don't kill anyone for any reason ever'.

2. Nitrogen suffocation. When it's time to move the convict to the final staging area, they believe they'll go to the event some time in the next few days. Instead, the cell is the actual chamber. While they imagine they're waiting for their execution, the air in the cell is being slowly exhausted of oxygen and replaced by nitrogen. No CO2 build up == no panic or suffocation. They just fade out. Clean, cheap, painless, and avoids those last-minute performance anxiety jitters.

What? I'm only a humanist because none of the other species have internet.
 
2020-06-29 11:32:55 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Gubbo: I sometimes think I have strange opinions. I'm 100% opposed to the death penalty. But, if it is going to exist, it should be a firing squad.

Killing someone shouldn't make someone suffer (fark you electric chair) and it shouldn't be this fake medical procedure lethal injection bullshiat. You're killing someone, your hands shouldn't be clean, you should know what you've done.

/sadly I think there would be hundreds of volunteers for every spot in the firing squad

When they tie a rock to an 8yo girl and throw her in a swamp?  Sorry, bring back Breaking By The Wheel for that shiat.


You either have principles, or you don't. I'm opposed to the death penalty.

And yes, horrific examples can make me wish that someone was dead, but I'm still opposed to the death penalty.
 
2020-06-29 11:33:24 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BenSaw2: Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.

It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.

As opposed to keeping the wrong person in prison until they die?


Well, the idea is, or should be, that if there is a wrongful conviction, it can maybe get reversed while the poor guy is still alive...
 
2020-06-29 11:34:23 AM  

Gubbo: I sometimes think I have strange opinions. I'm 100% opposed to the death penalty. But, if it is going to exist, it should be a firing squad.

Killing someone shouldn't make someone suffer (fark you electric chair) and it shouldn't be this fake medical procedure lethal injection bullshiat. You're killing someone, your hands shouldn't be clean, you should know what you've done.

/sadly I think there would be hundreds of volunteers for every spot in the firing squad


Firing squad, hanging, guillotine. Something quick but decisive.

Problem with lethal injection is getting the materials- a lot of drug companies won't sell to states that have the death penalty, which leads to the clusterfark that is Ohio's recent executions.
 
2020-06-29 11:35:20 AM  
I'm torn.

On one hand, I'm against the death penalty.

On the other hand, one less Trump voter.
 
2020-06-29 11:37:34 AM  
I mean... I don't know what he expected with this hail-mary play.

The USSC doesn't decide what's moral or righteous or whatever, they decide what's legal under constitutional and existing statutory law, and whether the two conflict.

That's... not really a question it is, it is, and they don't.  Getting deep into the weeds on supply chains and execution in the 'how you do it' sense isn't really the job of the judiciary, it is, has always been, and will always be a matter for congress to fix with statutory law.

// Honestly that fix is probably coming, not so much because the US population has stopped thinking murderers deserve to be executed as just... the sheer amount of times we've demonstrably farked it up and executed an innocent person, and the baseline level of faith in the police to have done any given investigation on the up and up.  Like, you could argue that capital punishment is a clusterfark because of partially-effective efforts to backdoor ban it, but this is a thing where I think a lot of us agree that it doesn't matter why you're farking it up, only that you are.
 
2020-06-29 11:38:21 AM  

Sword and Shield: Gubbo: I sometimes think I have strange opinions. I'm 100% opposed to the death penalty. But, if it is going to exist, it should be a firing squad.

Killing someone shouldn't make someone suffer (fark you electric chair) and it shouldn't be this fake medical procedure lethal injection bullshiat. You're killing someone, your hands shouldn't be clean, you should know what you've done.

/sadly I think there would be hundreds of volunteers for every spot in the firing squad

Firing squad, hanging, guillotine. Something quick but decisive.

Problem with lethal injection is getting the materials- a lot of drug companies won't sell to states that have the death penalty, which leads to the clusterfark that is Ohio's recent executions.


The cocktail also isn't for the benefit of the person being executed, but the people watching. Most of the states include a paralyzing agent, so that if the anesthetic didn't work correctly (which happens), the people watching won't have to see the suffering caused by the execution.
 
2020-06-29 11:40:23 AM  

Pin Fiften Clob: The5thElement: Since this is the Trump regime we're talking about here, they will find some way to botch it up, reverse golden touch and all.

So they're going to make these people immortal?


There can be only one.
 
2020-06-29 11:41:39 AM  

Professor Science: CthulhuCalling: One one hand,executions bad...
On the other, a white supremacist dies...

Twobuttonsweatyguy.jpg

I expect a prompt flurry of orange-stained tweets about how Daniel Lewis Lee's trial was a travesty, economic anxiety, railroaded by liberal activist judges, pardon, medals, et cetera.


When I first glanced through the article, I thought the guy's name was Daniel Day-Lewis and thought to myself "well, he finally snapped but we had a good run".
 
2020-06-29 11:41:40 AM  

WeedBong420: IrishinTexas: FTA:
'Prison officials scheduled the July 13 execution for Daniel Lewis Lee, a white supremacist who murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl, by tying rocks to them and throwing them into the Illinois Bayou. The other three death row inmates were also convicted of especially brutal murders involving children.'

Normally I am against a death sentence, but I may have to revise my opinion if these are the types of people sentenced to it.

Shame, he was great in Gangs of NY and There Will Be Blood. Life comes at u fast.

Waht? Im hgih.


RIP Doris Day
 
2020-06-29 11:42:29 AM  
And yet Chevie Kehoe is "only" serving life for the same crime.   "Justice" in this country is a crapshoot.

And the surviving family of the murder victims have asked for mercy for Lee.

It was a horrific crime.   I am opposed to the death penalty.
 
2020-06-29 11:42:57 AM  

BMulligan: TIL

In usage in the United States, a bayou is a body of water typically found in a flat, low-lying area, and can either be an extremely slow-moving stream or river (often with a poorly defined shoreline), or a marshy lake or wetland


[BUT]

The word entered American English via Louisiana French in Louisiana and is thought to originate from the Choctaw word bayuk, which means "small stream"

[AND]

The Illinois Bayou in Arkansas harks back to the original meaning and may be the only bayou with whitewater rafting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayou
 
2020-06-29 11:43:13 AM  

Gubbo: CthulhuCalling: BenSaw2: Forty-Three: That stuff with the ad-hoc drugs used for lethal injection is just gruesome, and likely a violation of the 8th Amendment.

Just give 'em life without parole.

It's cheaper, you never kill the wrong person, and the families don't have to relive multiple appeals.

As opposed to keeping the wrong person in prison until they die?

If it turns out it was the wrong person, you can always set them free. It's vastly more difficult to bring them back from the dead


Someone hasn't read their Lord Blackstone. A lot of someones haven't.
 
2020-06-29 11:43:15 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Interesting timing, considering treason is a capital offense.


See. I'm trying to read the threads before making a comment and third one down is exactly what I was going to write. So now I can save the time I would have spent writing that and posting it. And with all this new found free time I need to find something to do.
 
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