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(National Review)   What would Frederick Douglass do about D.C. Statehood? He'd probably agree that capital's residents should become residents of a new Maryland county named after himself   (nationalreview.com) divider line
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2020-06-29 11:44:19 AM  
Old and busted (Frederick Douglass speaking about the GOP after Grant's second term):

Mr. President and Gentlemen of the National Republican Convention: Allow me to express my deep, my heartfelt gratitude to you for the warm, the cordial invitation you have extended to me to make my  appearance on this platform at this time. The work to which you have called me is somewhat new. It is the first time in my life that I have ever had the pleasure of looking the Republican party squarely in the face. And I must say--and I hope you will acquit me of everything like a disposition to flatter-that you are a pretty good looking man. [Not that there's anything wrong with that.]
...

You say you have emancipated us. You have; and I thank you for it. You say you have enfranchised us. You have ; and I thank you for it. But what is your emancipation?-what is your enfranchisement? What does it all amount to, if the black man, after having been made free by the letter of your law, is unable to exercise that freedom, and, after having been freed from the slaveholder's lash, he is to be subject to the slaveholder's shot-gun? Oh! you freed us! You emancipated us! I thank you for it. But under what circumstances did you emancipate us? Under what circumstances have we obtained our freedom? Sir, ours is the most extraordinary case of any people ever emancipated on the globe. I sometimes wonder that we still exist as a people in this country ; that we have not all been swept out of existence, with nothing left to show that we ever existed. Look at it. When the Israelites were emancipated, they were told to go and borrow of their neighbors--borrow their coin, borrow their jewels, load themselves down with the means of subsistence: after, they should go free in the land which the Lord God gave them. When the Russian serfs had their chains broken and were given their liberty, the government of Russia-aye, the despotic government of Russia-gave to those poor emancipated serfs a few acres of land on which they could live and earn their bread. But when you turned us loose, you gave us no acres: you turned us loose to the sky, to the storm, to the whirlwind, and, worst of all, you turned us loose to the wrath of our infuriated masters.

The question now is, Do you mean to make good to us the promises in your constitution? Talk not to me of finance. Talk not of mere reform in your administration. I believe there is honesty in the American people ; honesty in the men whom you will elect ; wisdom in the men to manage those affairs, -but tell me, if your heart be as my heart, that the liberty which you have asserted for the black man in this country shall be maintained? You say, some of you, that you can get along without the vote of the black man of the South. Yes, that may be, possibly ; but I doubt it. At any rate, in order to insure our protection hereafter, we feel the need, in the candidate whom you will place before the country, of the assurance that, if it be necessary, the black man shall walk to the ballot-box in safety, even if we have to bring a bayonet behind us. And I have this this feeling, that, if we bring forth either of the gentlemen named here, the government of the United States and the moral feeling of the coun try will surround the black voter as by a wall of fire ; and, instead of electing your President without the black vote, you may count in the number of your victorious Republican states five or six, at least, of the old master states of the South. But I have no voice to address you longer; and you may now move, down there, for an ad adjournment."

https://thelionofanacostia.wordpress.​c​om/2016/05/16/speech-of-frederick-doug​lass-at-the-1876-republican-national-c​onvention/

/Seems like he isn't that impressed by the Grant Administration, but maybe things will get better under Hayes...
//Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and
more, I notice.
 
2020-06-29 11:54:43 AM  
fark what anyone over 100 years ago would do. Admit it as a state, along with PR and all the others.
 
2020-06-29 12:10:27 PM  
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This guy. This is the guy who is telling us very specifically what Frederick Douglass was thinking, by taking a quote from Douglass that goes [DC's residents have ] "neither voice nor vote in all the practical politics of the United States. They are hardly to be called citizens of the United States." and tell

ing it meant that Douglass wanted DC to be a part of Maryland because reasons.

Here's his last article, his last bit of wisdom before this one.

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How'd that turn out for ya, Whitesplainy?

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2020-06-29 1:05:03 PM  
Go with the state what will give you the most tax dollars.
Oh, and kiss the federal aid good bye
 
2020-06-29 1:29:22 PM  
John Fund is a hack who has made his career lying about voter fraud.
 
2020-06-29 1:54:01 PM  
This article is just concern trolling. Hey, NRO, it really chafes your ass if a black majority state gets two senators, doesn't it?

F*ck you. Die soon.
 
2020-06-29 2:13:00 PM  
That's all well and good, but what would Batman do?
 
2020-06-29 2:22:15 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: [Fark user image image 680x226]

This guy. This is the guy who is telling us very specifically what Frederick Douglass was thinking, by taking a quote from Douglass that goes [DC's residents have ] "neither voice nor vote in all the practical politics of the United States. They are hardly to be called citizens of the United States." and tell

ing it meant that Douglass wanted DC to be a part of Maryland because reasons.

Here's his last article, his last bit of wisdom before this one.

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How'd that turn out for ya, Whitesplainy?

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It's the farking LRO. The only reason The mods approve headlines for them is the clicks.
 
2020-06-29 2:23:40 PM  
Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.
 
2020-06-29 2:30:00 PM  
NRO

Stopped right there.
 
2020-06-29 2:31:07 PM  
When I want to know what a historical figure would think about current events, I find it useful to consume right-wing media.  Because so much of their analysis involves reading the minds of public figures to understand the "real reason" they are doing something.  I don't know why liberals don't do this.  It seems that conservatives have been successful in discerning hundreds, if not thousands of plots against America with this simple analytical tool.
 
2020-06-29 2:31:08 PM  
Bullshiat! DC deserves a member of Congress and two of its own Senators. Any other plan is just a ruse to maintain the imbalance of power small red states get in the Senate.
 
2020-06-29 2:32:36 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: [Fark user image 680x226]

This guy. This is the guy who is telling us very specifically what Frederick Douglass was thinking, by taking a quote from Douglass that goes [DC's residents have ] "neither voice nor vote in all the practical politics of the United States. They are hardly to be called citizens of the United States." and tell

ing it meant that Douglass wanted DC to be a part of Maryland because reasons.

Here's his last article, his last bit of wisdom before this one.

[Fark user image 789x163]
How'd that turn out for ya, Whitesplainy?

[Fark user image 606x272]


Is John Fund a mentalist?
 
2020-06-29 2:34:41 PM  
Anything to stop Democrats from getting a majority in the Senate is the only logic here.
 
2020-06-29 2:36:33 PM  
I think the most practical solution is to retrocede the district back to Maryland (along with the population count that would add an additional seat in the House to Maryland) and allow DC residents to vote for MD senators.

That said, part of me would really like to see DC as a state with their own (full-voting) representative and two senators, just to help tip the balance away from the asshole GOP.
 
2020-06-29 2:38:18 PM  
I agree that retrocession is really the sensible answer here, but neither Maryland nor DC seems to actually want that, so there's not much to do but stand in the background with a little retrocession flag.
 
2020-06-29 2:39:38 PM  
Lets call Nevada a city.
Makes as much sense as callIng DC a state.
 
2020-06-29 2:41:17 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: This article is just concern trolling. Hey, NRO, it really chafes your ass if a black majority state gets two senators, doesn't it?

F*ck you. Die soon.


Old and busted...

the National Review of the 1950s, 60s and even 70s spoke up for white people far more vigorously than Pat Buchanan would ever dare to today. The early National Review heaped criticism on the civil rights movement, Brown v. Board of Education, and people like Adam Clayton Powell and Martin Luther King, whom it considered race hustlers. Some of the greatest names in American conservatism - Russell Kirk, Willmore Kendall, James Kilpatrick, Richard Weaver, and a young Bill Buckley - wrote articles defending the white South and white South Africans in the days of segregation and apartheid. NR attacked the 1965 immigration bill that opened America up to Third-World immigration, and wrote frankly about racial differences in IQ.

A book review from the July 13th issue of the same year - 1957 - by Richard Weaver was called, "Integration is Communization." Mr. Weaver found Carl Rowan's Go South to Sorrow "a sorry specimen of Negro intellectual leadership," and went on to express deep suspicion about the whole integrationist enterprise:

'Integration' and 'Communization' are, after all, pretty closely synonymous. In light of what is happening today, the first may be little more than a euphemism for the second. It does not take many steps to get from the 'integrating' of facilities to the 'communizing' of facilities, if the impulse is there.

A July 2, 1963, editorial declared: "The Negro people have been encouraged to ask for, and to believe they can get, nothing less than the evanescence of color, and they are doomed to founder on the shoals of existing human attitudes - their own included."

An article by James Kilpatrick in the September 24, 1963, issue argued that the Civil Rights Bill (eventually passed in 1964) should be voted down. He wrote, "I believe this bill is a very bad bill. In my view, the means here proposed are the wrong means . . . In the name of achieving certain 'rights' for one group of citizens this bill would impose some fateful compulsions on another group of citizens." After it passed, an editorial declared: "The Civil Rights Act has been law for only a little over two months, yet it already promises to be the source of much legalistic confusion, civic chaos and bureaucratic malpractice."
Mr. Kilpatrick also took aim at the 1965 Voting Rights Act in the April 20, 1965 issue. "Must We Repeal the Constitution to Give the Negro the Vote?" he asked, accusing the bill's supporters of "perverting the Constitution." He thought certain blacks should be given the right to vote but notes, "Over most of this century, the great bulk of Southern Negroes have been genuinely unqualified for the franchise." He also defended segregation as rational for Southerners. "Segregation is a fact, and more than a fact; it is a state of mind. It lies in the Southern subconscious next to man's most elementary instincts, for self-preservation, for survival, for the untroubled continuation of a not intolerable way of life."
 
2020-06-29 2:43:42 PM  
we should all ask: What would Frederick Douglass do?

My money is on "punch the everliving shiat out of this pasty white douche who quotes a Washington Examiner opinion piece in order to put words in my mouth in an effort to keep blacks disenfranchised as much as possible".
 
2020-06-29 2:44:34 PM  

Kalyco Jack: Bullshiat! DC deserves a member of Congress and two of its own Senators. Any other plan is just a ruse to maintain the imbalance of power small red states get in the Senate.


How about we add DC to Virginia and Puerto Rico to Florida?
 
2020-06-29 2:49:03 PM  
Okay - just a second here.  As a proud resident of the West coast I'd like to point out that where we have 5 states and 10 senators, the same amount of territory on the East coast has 20 states, and 40 senators.

Now you propose to wedge another in there.  Yea, no.  There is already WAY too much east-coast bias in this government.
 
2020-06-29 2:52:43 PM  

eKonk: I think the most practical solution is to retrocede the district back to Maryland (along with the population count that would add an additional seat in the House to Maryland) and allow DC residents to vote for MD senators.

That said, part of me would really like to see DC as a state with their own (full-voting) representative and two senators, just to help tip the balance away from the asshole GOP.


Your solution requires more votes than statehood.
 
2020-06-29 2:52:48 PM  
I would think that legally, if the federal government decides it has no use for the area, it would have to go back to the previous owner.. i.e. Maryland.
 
2020-06-29 2:55:02 PM  
When I want to know what Frederick Douglass would do about something I always check with the NRO.
 
2020-06-29 2:56:52 PM  
In all reality some of MD (like Silver Spring) and some of VA (like Arlington) should be part of DC instead. Basically, anything inside I-495 should be given to the new state.
 
2020-06-29 2:59:59 PM  

Outshined_One: Kalyco Jack: Bullshiat! DC deserves a member of Congress and two of its own Senators. Any other plan is just a ruse to maintain the imbalance of power small red states get in the Senate.

How about we add DC to Virginia and Puerto Rico to Florida?


FWIW, adding DC to VA would pretty much cinch VA as a blue state in all eternity and would get VA an extra seat in Congress (with a blue rep).
 
2020-06-29 3:09:23 PM  
Retroceding the district to Maryland would go against the wishes of both the residents of the district and Maryland. There's no reason to pursue that direction unless your goal is to continue to deny them representation in the senate.
 
2020-06-29 3:09:38 PM  

Erebus1954: Lets call Nevada a city.
Makes as much sense as callIng DC a state.


Wait'll you get a load of Wyoming, and North and South Dakota.

Add DC; it has its own culture, resources, people, issues, and needs that deserve representation.  Same for PR.

Then let's combine a few empty welfa(R)e states.

And then split the world's 6th (5th?) largest economy into at least six states.  Or carve it off into its own country.  Either is overdue.
 
2020-06-29 3:10:39 PM  

Outshined_One: Kalyco Jack: Bullshiat! DC deserves a member of Congress and two of its own Senators. Any other plan is just a ruse to maintain the imbalance of power small red states get in the Senate.

How about we add DC to Virginia and Puerto Rico to Florida?


Jesus, man, what did Puerto Rico ever do to you?
 
2020-06-29 3:12:51 PM  

dwrash: I would think that legally, if the federal government decides it has no use for the area, it would have to go back to the previous owner.. i.e. Maryland.


If that is true, it's true from a technicality perspective only.  Article IV Section 3 of the Constitution says, "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."  So Maryland's legislature could subsequently vote to let DC be its own state, and that would throw it back to Congress again.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-doc​s​/constitution-transcript
 
2020-06-29 3:17:12 PM  

vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.


No one in DC wants to be part of Maryland, but making them PG county?  Holy crap, there'd be riots.

Well, more riots.
 
2020-06-29 3:33:15 PM  
As someone who has lived in VA and MD, I now reside in DC for a reason.  Other than loving DC, MD has higher income tax (county taxes) and higher property taxes and don't get me started on the traffic.

Having also lived in CA, NY and MA, I can tell you no other place has been run as smoothly as DC with regard to dealing with the DMV, tax returns, responses to public works issues, etc.

DC residents rank 30th overall in the nation for their contribution to federal taxes and are pretty consistently the highest contributors of federal taxes per capita.  So yeah, taxation without representation just like my license plate reads.

TL;DR:  As for being absorbed into MD, no thank you.
 
2020-06-29 3:51:14 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: dwrash: I would think that legally, if the federal government decides it has no use for the area, it would have to go back to the previous owner.. i.e. Maryland.

If that is true, it's true from a technicality perspective only.  Article IV Section 3 of the Constitution says, "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."  So Maryland's legislature could subsequently vote to let DC be its own state, and that would throw it back to Congress again.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs​/constitution-transcript


Think of it this way.... The government decides to put a road down the property line between you and your neighbor, so it condemns and acquires the required right of way via eminent domain... it builds the road and it functions as a road for say 100 years.  It then decides the road is no longer needed and digs it up and restored it to normal condition.  The government cannot auction off that road to the highest bidder, nor can it use it for any other purpose then what it was intended.  So the road is split down the middle with you getting half and your neighbor getting half.  It's not at liberty to sell it to the highest bidder or to us it for some other purpose.

DC is pretty much the same, the states ceded the area and the federal government acquired it by eminent domain... it already set a precedence by returning the portion back to Virginia.  Not doing so for the remainder would seem very unfair and hypocritical and probably highly illegal.  As the newly formed state would in a sense be a competitor to Maryland.
 
2020-06-29 3:51:31 PM  
As a libby lib who libs a lot, I would like to see both PR and DC become states.

However, I just don't see DC becoming a state as realistic (getting 2/3s of the states to ratify it??).  They should draw a line around the WH, the Capitol, the mall and the other monuments, make THAT DC (like Vatican City) and make everything else part of Maryland.  Maryland would get another house rep and the people living there would get representation for their taxation that they keep complaining about.
 
2020-06-29 3:52:11 PM  

vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.


Dc has a greater population than more than one states.

I say just make it a damn state already. Not doing so means that we're distorting the will of the people by not giving just some of them as much representation as the rest.
 
2020-06-29 4:18:24 PM  

vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.


Fun fact: When DC was first made, it had two counties - Alexandria and Washington. Alexandria has gone back to VA, and it's still its own county. Why would Washington be treated any differently?

/make it a damn state already
 
2020-06-29 4:23:24 PM  

dwrash: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: dwrash: I would think that legally, if the federal government decides it has no use for the area, it would have to go back to the previous owner.. i.e. Maryland.

If that is true, it's true from a technicality perspective only.  Article IV Section 3 of the Constitution says, "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."  So Maryland's legislature could subsequently vote to let DC be its own state, and that would throw it back to Congress again.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs​/constitution-transcript

Think of it this way.... The government decides to put a road down the property line between you and your neighbor, so it condemns and acquires the required right of way via eminent domain... it builds the road and it functions as a road for say 100 years.  It then decides the road is no longer needed and digs it up and restored it to normal condition.  The government cannot auction off that road to the highest bidder, nor can it use it for any other purpose then what it was intended.  So the road is split down the middle with you getting half and your neighbor getting half.  It's not at liberty to sell it to the highest bidder or to us it for some other purpose.

DC is pretty much the same, the states ceded the area and the federal government acquired it by eminent domain... it already set a precedence by returning the portion back to Virginia.  Not doing so for the remainder would seem very unfair and hypocritical and probably highly illegal.  As the newly formed state would in a sense be a competitor to Maryland.


Ok, and that's all reasonable in the event that MD wants to keep the land.  The point of all this is that it's very clear MD does NOT want the land back.and MD is quite happy to have a "competitor" state as you say.

In the event that Congress decides to bypass the potentially "technically correct" step of returning to MD first and the Senate passes the bill that was passed by the House on Friday, the MD state legislature could (and would) immediately vote to allow the DC area to be its own state in order to cure any potential grievances with the process.  What's going to happen in a lawsuit?  SCOTUS would rule that any plaintiff other than the state of Maryland has no standing, because the Constitution makes clear the interested parties are the US Congress and the MD state legislature, and even if that weren't the case, the lawsuit has no basis because MD legislature gave its consent as required by the Constitution.  This would all be different if MD didn't agree with the move, of course.
 
2020-06-29 4:39:13 PM  

vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.


No.

DC deserves self determination. Maryland has been polled repeatedly and they don't want DC in Maryland. DC residents have also been polled and don't want to be part of Maryland.

Stop spewing this garbage.
 
2020-06-29 4:40:07 PM  

Erebus1954: Lets call Nevada a city.
Makes as much sense as callIng DC a state.


Let's call Erebus a guy who doesn't think Black Americans deserve self determination.
 
2020-06-29 4:40:48 PM  

Outshined_One: Kalyco Jack: Bullshiat! DC deserves a member of Congress and two of its own Senators. Any other plan is just a ruse to maintain the imbalance of power small red states get in the Senate.

How about we add DC to Virginia and Puerto Rico to Florida?


How about the citizens of those territories get self determination.
 
2020-06-29 4:41:20 PM  

patowen: Okay - just a second here.  As a proud resident of the West coast I'd like to point out that where we have 5 states and 10 senators, the same amount of territory on the East coast has 20 states, and 40 senators.

Now you propose to wedge another in there.  Yea, no.  There is already WAY too much east-coast bias in this government.


Just because we don't have adequate representation is not a reason to deny it to others.
 
2020-06-29 4:41:44 PM  
Some of the people in this thread are absolute pieces of shiat.
 
2020-06-29 5:07:50 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.

No.

DC deserves self determination. Maryland has been polled repeatedly and they don't want DC in Maryland. DC residents have also been polled and don't want to be part of Maryland.

Stop spewing this garbage.


How far should we go in cutting up the country into areas that are underrepresented?
 
2020-06-29 5:27:17 PM  

dwrash: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.

No.

DC deserves self determination. Maryland has been polled repeatedly and they don't want DC in Maryland. DC residents have also been polled and don't want to be part of Maryland.

Stop spewing this garbage.

How far should we go in cutting up the country into areas that are underrepresented?


If we still have a state's worth of citizens who aren't represented in our legislature the time to stop would be some time after those people get their representatives.

Slippery slope arguments aren't going to go very far with me while some Americans still lack representation.
 
2020-06-29 6:41:31 PM  
The Conservatives: We will propose anything except grant statehood to a place that is mostly D-voting minorities and highly educated (read: Liberal) workers.
 
2020-06-29 7:18:39 PM  

sleze: As a libby lib who libs a lot, I would like to see both PR and DC become states.

However, I just don't see DC becoming a state as realistic (getting 2/3s of the states to ratify it??).  They should draw a line around the WH, the Capitol, the mall and the other monuments, make THAT DC (like Vatican City) and make everything else part of Maryland.  Maryland would get another house rep and the people living there would get representation for their taxation that they keep complaining about.


Why would you need 2/3rds of the states to ratify it?  We're not talking a Constitutional Amendment here.

New states are made by a simple majority of both houses of Congress.
 
2020-06-29 7:27:20 PM  

mongbiohazard: dwrash: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: vernonFL: Make NW part of Montgomery County and NE and SE part of PG.

No.

DC deserves self determination. Maryland has been polled repeatedly and they don't want DC in Maryland. DC residents have also been polled and don't want to be part of Maryland.

Stop spewing this garbage.

How far should we go in cutting up the country into areas that are underrepresented?

If we still have a state's worth of citizens who aren't represented in our legislature the time to stop would be some time after those people get their representatives.

Slippery slope arguments aren't going to go very far with me while some Americans still lack representation.


But the issue here is the people moved there KNOWING what they were getting into and now are crying foul about it... its children throwing a temper tantrum.

I say it should stay the same as it is now and if the people don't like it they can always move.
 
2020-06-29 8:02:49 PM  

LrdPhoenix: sleze: As a libby lib who libs a lot, I would like to see both PR and DC become states.

However, I just don't see DC becoming a state as realistic (getting 2/3s of the states to ratify it??).  They should draw a line around the WH, the Capitol, the mall and the other monuments, make THAT DC (like Vatican City) and make everything else part of Maryland.  Maryland would get another house rep and the people living there would get representation for their taxation that they keep complaining about.

Why would you need 2/3rds of the states to ratify it?  We're not talking a Constitutional Amendment here.

New states are made by a simple majority of both houses of Congress.


No, that can't be right...

https://constitutioncenter.org/intera​c​tive-constitution/article/article-iv

Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Well holy crap.
 
2020-06-29 8:26:30 PM  

sleze: LrdPhoenix: sleze: As a libby lib who libs a lot, I would like to see both PR and DC become states.

However, I just don't see DC becoming a state as realistic (getting 2/3s of the states to ratify it??).  They should draw a line around the WH, the Capitol, the mall and the other monuments, make THAT DC (like Vatican City) and make everything else part of Maryland.  Maryland would get another house rep and the people living there would get representation for their taxation that they keep complaining about.

Why would you need 2/3rds of the states to ratify it?  We're not talking a Constitutional Amendment here.

New states are made by a simple majority of both houses of Congress.

No, that can't be right...

https://constitutioncenter.org/interac​tive-constitution/article/article-iv

Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Well holy crap.


Yup
 
2020-06-29 10:08:19 PM  

sleze: LrdPhoenix: sleze: As a libby lib who libs a lot, I would like to see both PR and DC become states.

However, I just don't see DC becoming a state as realistic (getting 2/3s of the states to ratify it??).  They should draw a line around the WH, the Capitol, the mall and the other monuments, make THAT DC (like Vatican City) and make everything else part of Maryland.  Maryland would get another house rep and the people living there would get representation for their taxation that they keep complaining about.

Why would you need 2/3rds of the states to ratify it?  We're not talking a Constitutional Amendment here.

New states are made by a simple majority of both houses of Congress.

No, that can't be right...

https://constitutioncenter.org/interac​tive-constitution/article/article-iv

Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Well holy crap.


And, of course, it has to be signed by the President, who can veto.  It's basically just like passing any ordinary law.

Only time an existing state gets involved is if Congress wants to make a state out of a piece of another state, like when they made West Virginia from Virginia or Maine from Massachusetts.

The latter one actually has a bit of bearing, because all the calls from Conservatives to just cede it to Maryland (a state which generally has a 95%+ chance of any seat being Democratic) instead of making it its own state are somewhat reminiscent of the slave states representatives/senators refusal to admit Maine as a separate state until Missouri was admitted as a slave state (The Missouri Compromise).
 
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