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2 days ago  

GrogSmash: Do you have any idea what the environmental impact would be of wiping out bats?  They primarily feed on insects (at least in NA).  Each one of those bat caves eat a couple tons, literally, of insects each night.


I am entirely serious.

In areas without endemic malaria, we can learn to cope with massive increases in mosquitoes and other insects. We cannot live with bats developing increasingly effective, and now society-destroying, pandemic pathogens every few years.

SARS, followed by MERS, was the warning that we needed to get rid of the bat population. SARS-CoV-2 was the result of failing to do it. Assuming we survive SARS-CoV-2, we might not survive SARS-CoV-3, or whatever else the bat population creates for us next.

It's us or them.
 
2 days ago  

WalkingSedgwick: GrogSmash: Do you have any idea what the environmental impact would be of wiping out bats?  They primarily feed on insects (at least in NA).  Each one of those bat caves eat a couple tons, literally, of insects each night.

I am entirely serious.

In areas without endemic malaria, we can learn to cope with massive increases in mosquitoes and other insects. We cannot live with bats developing increasingly effective, and now society-destroying, pandemic pathogens every few years.

SARS, followed by MERS, was the warning that we needed to get rid of the bat population. SARS-CoV-2 was the result of failing to do it. Assuming we survive SARS-CoV-2, we might not survive SARS-CoV-3, or whatever else the bat population creates for us next.

It's us or them.


Or, just an idea, don't go farking around in their habitats, or catching and eating them, and everybody is fine.

Instead of destroying a significant aspect of the ecosystem.
 
2 days ago  

WalkingSedgwick: GrogSmash: Do you have any idea what the environmental impact would be of wiping out bats?  They primarily feed on insects (at least in NA).  Each one of those bat caves eat a couple tons, literally, of insects each night.

I am entirely serious.

In areas without endemic malaria, we can learn to cope with massive increases in mosquitoes and other insects. We cannot live with bats developing increasingly effective, and now society-destroying, pandemic pathogens every few years.

SARS, followed by MERS, was the warning that we needed to get rid of the bat population. SARS-CoV-2 was the result of failing to do it. Assuming we survive SARS-CoV-2, we might not survive SARS-CoV-3, or whatever else the bat population creates for us next.

It's us or them.


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2 days ago  

WalkingSedgwick: Given how many dangerous viruses, including SARS, MERS, and now SARS-CoV-2, that bats develop for deployment into humans, the only good bat is a dead bat.


WHAT THE FARK IS WRONG WITH YOU

BATS ARE A KEYSTONE SPECIES WORLDWIDE. FRUIT BATS POLLINATE. INSECT EATING BATS KEEP YOUR DUMB ASS FROM GETTING A VARIETY OF MOSQUITO BORNE ILLNESS.

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Just because you think they have zoonotic disease that's coming for us doesn't mean you get to vote them for death! THEY'RE SPREADING TO US BECAUSE WE ARE DESTROYING THEIR HABITATS YOU JACKASS.

You, sir, are an utter psychopath and bats are doing NOTHING farking wrong! If anything, it's humanity that kicked the balance over!
 
2 days ago  
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The hell, 2020?
 
2 days ago  

Dangerous_sociopath: As global weather changes, as areas covered by ice for thousands of years become exposed, nature will be teaching us new lessons about what she has to offer in the way of disease.

I'm guessing these are just warning salvos.

We, like all animal species, are here only to be hosts and vectors.


I'd watch this movie. And buy the book. Then read it.
 
2 days ago  
I have found 2 rabbits in the yard, no marks both looking like they just stopped and dropped.  First time I remember that happening anywhere I have lived.
 
2 days ago  

Ringshadow: WalkingSedgwick: Given how many dangerous viruses, including SARS, MERS, and now SARS-CoV-2, that bats develop for deployment into humans, the only good bat is a dead bat.

WHAT THE FARK IS WRONG WITH YOU

BATS ARE A KEYSTONE SPECIES WORLDWIDE. FRUIT BATS POLLINATE. INSECT EATING BATS KEEP YOUR DUMB ASS FROM GETTING A VARIETY OF MOSQUITO BORNE ILLNESS.

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Just because you think they have zoonotic disease that's coming for us doesn't mean you get to vote them for death! THEY'RE SPREADING TO US BECAUSE WE ARE DESTROYING THEIR HABITATS YOU JACKASS.

You, sir, are an utter psychopath and bats are doing NOTHING farking wrong! If anything, it's humanity that kicked the balance over!


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2 days ago  
PSA
Okay, people. If you go in to a cave deeper or longer than about 20 feet on U.S. government or any U.S. state government land, you might want to bring an extra pair of shoes, just in case you need to discard them or restrict their use for that specific cave for one reason or another.

Please protect the environment from your stinky, diseased feet. Think of the butterflies and deer and other gentle friends in the forest.
 
2 days ago  

MBooda: When life gives you dead bunnies, make dead bunny stew.


And that's how you get zoonotic diseases. That, in apparent fact, is how we got Covid-19. "All available evidence for COVID-19 suggests that SARS-CoV-2 has a zoonotic source. Since there is usually limited close contact between humans and bats, it is more likely that transmission of the virus to humans happened through another animal species, one that is more likely to be handled by humans."

Whoa. Here's an idea: go get infected with Covid-19. Now eat a rabbit corpse infected with bunny ebola. If we are very lucky (for all values of "putting humanity out of its misery quickly") the two viruses with do teh dirty and have babies that (1) infect humans and (2) have the rapid fatalities, fatality rate, and infectiousness of bunny ebola.

Hell, let's make it so it can spread to all mammals and we can start over with a different class of the Chordata phylum. My bet would be on the Amphibians.
 
2 days ago  

winedrinkingman: Okay, this is very important.  No one, I mean no one, eat any rabbit right now, and if you do, for the love of God, make sure it is not undercooked.  You all here me?


You guys are gonna eat undercooked rabbit aren't you?


Hey, it is probably a delicacy in China.
 
2 days ago  

GrogSmash: WalkingSedgwick: mofa: BTW:
There's a virus attacking bats in Canada and the U.S. that isn't the novel Coronavirus. It causes White Mouth Syndrome, and it screws up their (sleep patterns and therefore their) reproductive patterns. If you go into a cave large enough to support a population of bats, the U.S. Forest Service (and likely their Canadian counterparts) insists that you never use those particular shoes/boots in any other cave. I.e., those shoes/boots should only be used in that specific cave in the future.

Don't take the law into your own hands, but it's very bad policy for governments to demand that people protect the bats.

Given how many dangerous viruses, including SARS, MERS, and now SARS-CoV-2, that bats develop for deployment into humans, the only good bat is a dead bat.

We should be spreading white mouth syndrome as aggressively as possible, and seeking to wipe bats off the face of the earth, by any and all means necessary.

Let's see how much they like being killed by a pandemic.

Err, pretty sure you are not being serious, or I sure as hell hope you aren't.


Either not serious or with significant bat-related issues.  Joker-like typing detected either way.
 
2 days ago  

mofa: BTW:
There's a virus attacking bats in Canada and the U.S. that isn't the novel Coronavirus. It causes White Mouth Syndrome, and it screws up their (sleep patterns and therefore their) reproductive patterns. If you go into a cave large enough to support a population of bats, the U.S. Forest Service (and likely their Canadian counterparts) insists that you never use those particular shoes/boots in any other cave. I.e., those shoes/boots should only be used in that specific cave in the future.

Please protect our bats.

// They protect Gotham City and, on occasion, the entire planet. And they eat a lot odd bugs.


DEEP STATE CONSPIRACY! You can't tell me what to do! You're not the boss of me! I go where I want! I do what I want! FREEDUMB! Who cares about stupid bats, anyway? - Every survivalist MAGAt everywhere.
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
Thank God that Hugh Hefner didn't live long enough to witness this carnage.
 
2 days ago  
So, has Australia put in any requests for this infection?
 
2 days ago  

Harlee: winedrinkingman: Okay, this is very important.  No one, I mean no one, eat any rabbit right now, and if you do, for the love of God, make sure it is not undercooked.  You all here me?


You guys are gonna eat undercooked rabbit aren't you?

Hey, it is probably a delicacy in China.


Maybe it's finally died out in the past couple of decades, but I've known families who supplemented their diet with fresh roadkill and the kids hunting squirrel and other pests.  Odds were higher for China with their wet markets, but it's not like it's impossible for a highly infectious disease to develop in the US.

First wave of early 1918
The pandemic is conventionally marked as having begun on 4 March 1918, with the recording of the case of Albert Gitchell, an army cook at Camp Funston in Kansas, United States,

As the US had entered World War I, the disease quickly spread from Camp Funston, a major training ground for troops of the American Expeditionary Forces, to other US Army camps and Europe, becoming an epidemic in the Midwest, East Coast, and French ports by April 1918, and reaching the Western Front by the middle of the month.[23] It then quickly spread to the rest of France, Great Britain, Italy, and Spain, and in May reached Wrocław and Odessa.[23]

The origin of the "Spanish flu" name stems from the pandemic's spread to Spain from France in November 1918.[11][12] Spain was not involved in the war, having remained neutral, and had not imposed wartime censorship.[13][14] Newspapers were therefore free to report the epidemic's effects, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these widely-spread stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit.[15]
 
2 days ago  

The Brown Word: Ringshadow: WalkingSedgwick: Given how many dangerous viruses, including SARS, MERS, and now SARS-CoV-2, that bats develop for deployment into humans, the only good bat is a dead bat.

WHAT THE FARK IS WRONG WITH YOU

BATS ARE A KEYSTONE SPECIES WORLDWIDE. FRUIT BATS POLLINATE. INSECT EATING BATS KEEP YOUR DUMB ASS FROM GETTING A VARIETY OF MOSQUITO BORNE ILLNESS.

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Just because you think they have zoonotic disease that's coming for us doesn't mean you get to vote them for death! THEY'RE SPREADING TO US BECAUSE WE ARE DESTROYING THEIR HABITATS YOU JACKASS.

You, sir, are an utter psychopath and bats are doing NOTHING farking wrong! If anything, it's humanity that kicked the balance over!

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Awwww sky puppy!
 
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Simon doing a comic a day on instagram, pretty awesome.
 
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2 days ago  

SMB2811: GrogSmash: Damnit.  I am having a brainfart.

For some reason I'm thinking this is actually man-made.  I remember there was some nutjob back in the 50s that released a virus into the european rabbit population to control them (vermin conteol), and damn near wiped out the rabbit population in all of europe and the UK.

I can't find a decent link that describes it though...

Myxomatosis is natural, not man-made. It's also horrible to see a rabbit suffering from it.

To say it was 'one nutjob' isn't accurate, as it was used by Australia, Ireland and Britain around the same time for the same reason. The one guy basically just didn't wait for France to officially do it.

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In the 90s a version of RHDV was released in Australia to control rabbit populations and illegally imported and spread in New Zealand.  Then a couple of years ago RHDV2 was "coincidentally" found in wild rabbits not far from a research lab in Australia and then "somehow" got to New Zealand. Last I heard all but 2 commercial rabbitries in Australia had been put out of business and Akubra has resorted to importing rabbit fur from Europe to make felt for their hats. There is an effective vaccine available for the first virus which is not too expensive. In Australia the vaccine for RHDV2 has not been approved to be imported so there is nothing to protect domestic bunnies against that strain as the old vaccine doesn't work for it. There is a vaccine I can get here in New Zealand for my rabbits but it's $80 an annual dose so anyone who breeds rabbits gets stung pretty badly. I have lost vaccinated rabbits to the original strain (looks like nursing does lose some immunity) and it was gruesome. I necropsied them and their entire thoracic cavity was full of blood leaking from the lungs and heart and the intestines were also swollen  and had blood spots on them. I wouldn't wish it on any animal.
 
2 days ago  

xtalman: I have found 2 rabbits in the yard, no marks both looking like they just stopped and dropped.  First time I remember that happening anywhere I have lived.


Have you ever seen a bird have a heart attack?
 
2 days ago  

Fano: xtalman: I have found 2 rabbits in the yard, no marks both looking like they just stopped and dropped.  First time I remember that happening anywhere I have lived.

Have you ever seen a bird have a heart attack?


Find birds, or what is left due to my dogs, all the time.  Rabbits and also squirrels not so much and we have  plenty.   Honestly never gave to much thought about it but here in suburbia which is were I have lived most of my life you don't see large critters like that unless they are on the side of the road or the dog is munching on them.  Just dropping in the front yard by the porch or random tree is odd.
 
2 days ago  

xtalman: Fano: xtalman: I have found 2 rabbits in the yard, no marks both looking like they just stopped and dropped.  First time I remember that happening anywhere I have lived.

Have you ever seen a bird have a heart attack?

Find birds, or what is left due to my dogs, all the time.  Rabbits and also squirrels not so much and we have  plenty.   Honestly never gave to much thought about it but here in suburbia which is were I have lived most of my life you don't see large critters like that unless they are on the side of the road or the dog is munching on them.  Just dropping in the front yard by the porch or random tree is odd.


You Just made me think of watching a bird die mid flight. Like it just threw a rod and plummeted out of the sky stone dead.
 
2 days ago  

Fano: xtalman: Fano: xtalman: I have found 2 rabbits in the yard, no marks both looking like they just stopped and dropped.  First time I remember that happening anywhere I have lived.

Have you ever seen a bird have a heart attack?

Find birds, or what is left due to my dogs, all the time.  Rabbits and also squirrels not so much and we have  plenty.   Honestly never gave to much thought about it but here in suburbia which is were I have lived most of my life you don't see large critters like that unless they are on the side of the road or the dog is munching on them.  Just dropping in the front yard by the porch or random tree is odd.

You Just made me think of watching a bird die mid flight. Like it just threw a rod and plummeted out of the sky stone dead.


Huh, that is interesting, thinking about it not too surprising.  Never have seen it so it would definitely catch my attention it I did.
 
2 days ago  

Fano: xtalman: I have found 2 rabbits in the yard, no marks both looking like they just stopped and dropped.  First time I remember that happening anywhere I have lived.

Have you ever seen a bird have a heart attack?


No, just pining for the fjords.
 
2 days ago  
"It's snowballed and moved like mad,"

In an unfortunate coincidence, 33% of all deaths are rabbits named Snowball.
 
2 days ago  
I'd had my eyes on this particular virus since it cropped up a couple years back in British Columbia. It had an outbreak 140 miles north of me last year due to imports by an animal sanctuary. This version of the virus was domestic rabbits only and spread badly due to bunny huggers not wanting to cull feral populations. Turns out the virus did it for them but in a naive attempt to lessen the damage they trapped the feral rabbits and pushed them into rescues and farm sanctuaries where the virus is much more likely to spread and linger.
This southwest virus is a different ball of contagion because it has the ability to skip between wild and domestic populations which is very worrying and will likely lead to the virus becoming endemic to the USA similar to distemper.
So for my own fluffy stuffs the plan is to enclose the rabbitry with a screen house and for 2021 come up with a biting insect control program. I am also now keeping enough genetics after a recent purchase that I should not need to bring in new rabbits for years and possibly never.
Will that be enough? I have no idea. It's the best I can come up with until the vaccine is widely enough available that it doesn't cost $80+ a rabbit to administer yearly.
 
1 day ago  
This disease was mentioned briefly in the Solo Star Wars movie. It swept Kashyyyk, virtually wiping out the planet's population of racing rabbits. Chewbacca, using the money awarded to him after the battle of Yavin, had bought a rabbit racetrack. The disease left him with only two racing rabbits, which the uncreative wookie named A and B. Chewbacca could no longer afford to staff the racetrack, so he did most of the work himself: taking bets, running the bialy and ka'ak concession, etc. When Bunny A collapsed and died in the middle of a race, Chewie was about to give up, but the customers begged the bookie wookie bagel boy to run Bunny B.
 
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