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(The New Republic)   To tide you over until the Williams-Sonoma Christmas catalog comes out, here's Drew Magary's "The Hater's Guide to 'Gone with the Wind'"   (newrepublic.com) divider line
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2020-06-29 11:09:53 AM  
11 votes:

vudukungfu: When it came out (Boomer alert) I already hated it.
It was way over hyped.
No one warned me it was as long as a Tarantino flick,
And it was incredibly racist to me, as a child.
I mean, like as if they had asked my racist grandmother for advice on how to talk.
I left the theater and vowed to never believe in cinehype again.

Jesus. That picture sucked on ice.
The only good scenes were the opening and the open hospital


It came out in 1939.

I know you're not THAT old - my PARENTS were children then.
 
2020-06-29 12:02:31 PM  
9 votes:
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I never saw it, but I sure as hell am not reading the rest of this self-amused dreck after that line.

/In 2020 I'm not judging anyone's comfort/take-out food tastes.
 
2020-06-29 12:43:15 PM  
8 votes:
Then she marries another dude for money because-and this is true-Scarlett's major crisis in the middle of the film comes when the Union levies $300 in extra property taxes on her family's plantation. Three hundred bucks?! What will the Union do with that money? Fund schools? WHY, THE GALL OF THESE CURSED YANKEES, I DO DECLARE.

In fairness, $300 in the 1860's equates to roughly $8,600 today. If my main source of income was decimated by war and the Feds slapped eight extra big ones to my tax bill I'd panic too.
 
2020-06-29 12:28:27 PM  
6 votes:
I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.
 
2020-06-29 12:50:34 PM  
5 votes:
This review does nothing for the subject's location and era's sensibilities, along with comparative film quality from that time.  The movie doesn't stand the test of time on several offensive levels and hasn't for decades.  But it would help if this was written by someone who can, you know, write.  Or at least start off with the disclaimer that the writer's a knucklehead with no background in film or anything other than being a GenX hero to Millenials who also don't care about stuff.

/for those of you unfamiliar with Magary
 
2020-06-29 1:48:52 PM  
4 votes:
It's also really, really racist. exactly what you would expect of a movie from 1940 is you have a fooking clue at all.

Seriously if you don't want to see racism stop looking back into the past, duhh.
If what someone wants is an end to such materials existing/being available in the first placde, that's a whole other situation. Stop pointing at shiat and stating the obvious about what it is. Start saying "and that should not be allowed to be seen or spoken about, and no one should be allowed to make any money selling viewing of it to anyone else that watned to see it.Go on say it already if that's what you really want.
 
2020-06-29 1:45:50 PM  
4 votes:

Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.


most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.
 
2020-06-29 12:18:05 PM  
4 votes:
I'm not the biggest Magary fan but he pretty much nailed the review.
 
2020-06-29 3:48:05 PM  
3 votes:

Stratohead: Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.

most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.


Lang and Citizen Kane, which essentially invented modern moviemaking.
 
2020-06-29 3:56:43 PM  
2 votes:

Incorrigible Astronaut: Stratohead: Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.

most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.

Lang and Citizen Kane, which essentially invented modern moviemaking.


Good call. I've taken several film study courses, and while some of them mentioned Birth of a Nation in passing, none of them ever considered it important enough to screen in class.

But every film course plays Citizen Kane. If you went to a cooking school to become a craft services caterer, I think even they'd make you watch Kane. It's some kind of law.
 
2020-06-29 1:02:19 PM  
2 votes:

Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.


Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.
 
2020-06-29 12:43:50 PM  
2 votes:
Racial stuff aside, when I saw it around age 26, my take on it was that the level of interest I had in the three stages of the movie mirrored my level of interest in the same periods of history (also, I missed the very beginning of the film, so we have to leave that out):

Civil War/Will Scarlet survive the war?: Fark yeah! So exciting!
Reconstruction/Will Scarlet starve in the postwar South?: It's okay I guess...
Gilded Age/Will this crazy biatch find love?: Who the fark cares?
 
2020-06-29 10:18:00 AM  
2 votes:
When it came out (Boomer alert) I already hated it.
It was way over hyped.
No one warned me it was as long as a Tarantino flick,
And it was incredibly racist to me, as a child.
I mean, like as if they had asked my racist grandmother for advice on how to talk.
I left the theater and vowed to never believe in cinehype again.

Jesus. That picture sucked on ice.
The only good scenes were the opening and the open hospital
 
2020-06-29 3:33:28 PM  
1 vote:

amb: Stratohead: amb: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.

while I am sure there are many potential Karens named "Tara" after the planation in  GWTW... the name has been around for way longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_(gi​ven_name)

True, but her mother said that she picked Tara because of GWTW.


That's such a weird inspiration for a child's name. I know some parents name their kids after fictional characters, but naming them after fictional locations is on a whole other level of obsession. Are there people out there named "Death Star" or "Westeros" or "Dante's Inferno Room"?
 
2020-06-29 2:37:39 PM  
1 vote:

Stratohead: amb: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.

while I am sure there are many potential Karens named "Tara" after the planation in  GWTW... the name has been around for way longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_(gi​ven_name)


I have known several Tara's in my life, I have never met one that was even remotely sane.
 
2020-06-29 12:14:09 PM  
1 vote:
Even as a really socially oblivious 26-year-old when I first saw it, I did a double take when Scarlett catches up to her newly freed ex-slave and he doesn't tell her to get farked. In fact, he helps her with something.
 
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2020-06-29 12:04:14 PM  
1 vote:
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2020-06-29 12:01:47 PM  
1 vote:
And part 2:
Should we Still be Watching 'Gone with the Wind?' Part 2
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2020-06-29 12:01:16 PM  
1 vote:
I think this is a good critique of the film.
Should we Still be Watching 'Gone with the Wind?' Part 1
Youtube 1fukTk8gJ3M
 
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