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(The New Republic)   To tide you over until the Williams-Sonoma Christmas catalog comes out, here's Drew Magary's "The Hater's Guide to 'Gone with the Wind'"   (newrepublic.com) divider line
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2020-06-29 10:18:00 AM  
When it came out (Boomer alert) I already hated it.
It was way over hyped.
No one warned me it was as long as a Tarantino flick,
And it was incredibly racist to me, as a child.
I mean, like as if they had asked my racist grandmother for advice on how to talk.
I left the theater and vowed to never believe in cinehype again.

Jesus. That picture sucked on ice.
The only good scenes were the opening and the open hospital
 
2020-06-29 11:09:53 AM  

vudukungfu: When it came out (Boomer alert) I already hated it.
It was way over hyped.
No one warned me it was as long as a Tarantino flick,
And it was incredibly racist to me, as a child.
I mean, like as if they had asked my racist grandmother for advice on how to talk.
I left the theater and vowed to never believe in cinehype again.

Jesus. That picture sucked on ice.
The only good scenes were the opening and the open hospital


It came out in 1939.

I know you're not THAT old - my PARENTS were children then.
 
2020-06-29 11:28:39 AM  

Cafe Threads: vudukungfu: When it came out (Boomer alert) I already hated it.
It was way over hyped.
No one warned me it was as long as a Tarantino flick,
And it was incredibly racist to me, as a child.
I mean, like as if they had asked my racist grandmother for advice on how to talk.
I left the theater and vowed to never believe in cinehype again.

Jesus. That picture sucked on ice.
The only good scenes were the opening and the open hospital

It came out in 1939.

I know you're not THAT old - my PARENTS were children then.


ok, when it came out in MY neighborhood way up in the hills of Pennsyltucky

They to this day are still getting caught up.
Radio plays nothing past 1984 on the top 10 hits.
 
2020-06-29 12:01:16 PM  
I think this is a good critique of the film.
Should we Still be Watching 'Gone with the Wind?' Part 1
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2020-06-29 12:01:47 PM  
And part 2:
Should we Still be Watching 'Gone with the Wind?' Part 2
Youtube CDkwGQFLcjE
 
2020-06-29 12:02:31 PM  
our finest Applebee-American citizens

stoppedreadingthere.jpg

I never saw it, but I sure as hell am not reading the rest of this self-amused dreck after that line.

/In 2020 I'm not judging anyone's comfort/take-out food tastes.
 
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2020-06-29 12:04:14 PM  
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2020-06-29 12:14:09 PM  
Even as a really socially oblivious 26-year-old when I first saw it, I did a double take when Scarlett catches up to her newly freed ex-slave and he doesn't tell her to get farked. In fact, he helps her with something.
 
2020-06-29 12:16:25 PM  
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2020-06-29 12:18:05 PM  
I'm not the biggest Magary fan but he pretty much nailed the review.
 
2020-06-29 12:28:27 PM  
I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.
 
2020-06-29 12:43:15 PM  
Then she marries another dude for money because-and this is true-Scarlett's major crisis in the middle of the film comes when the Union levies $300 in extra property taxes on her family's plantation. Three hundred bucks?! What will the Union do with that money? Fund schools? WHY, THE GALL OF THESE CURSED YANKEES, I DO DECLARE.

In fairness, $300 in the 1860's equates to roughly $8,600 today. If my main source of income was decimated by war and the Feds slapped eight extra big ones to my tax bill I'd panic too.
 
2020-06-29 12:43:50 PM  
Racial stuff aside, when I saw it around age 26, my take on it was that the level of interest I had in the three stages of the movie mirrored my level of interest in the same periods of history (also, I missed the very beginning of the film, so we have to leave that out):

Civil War/Will Scarlet survive the war?: Fark yeah! So exciting!
Reconstruction/Will Scarlet starve in the postwar South?: It's okay I guess...
Gilded Age/Will this crazy biatch find love?: Who the fark cares?
 
2020-06-29 12:49:05 PM  
The Simpsons - "Gone with the Wind" for seniors (S10Ep20)
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2020-06-29 12:50:34 PM  
This review does nothing for the subject's location and era's sensibilities, along with comparative film quality from that time.  The movie doesn't stand the test of time on several offensive levels and hasn't for decades.  But it would help if this was written by someone who can, you know, write.  Or at least start off with the disclaimer that the writer's a knucklehead with no background in film or anything other than being a GenX hero to Millenials who also don't care about stuff.

/for those of you unfamiliar with Magary
 
2020-06-29 12:58:14 PM  

Fireproof: Racial stuff aside, when I saw it around age 26, my take on it was that the level of interest I had in the three stages of the movie mirrored my level of interest in the same periods of history (also, I missed the very beginning of the film, so we have to leave that out):

Civil War/Will Scarlet survive the war?: Fark yeah! So exciting!
Reconstruction/Will Scarlet starve in the postwar South?: It's okay I guess...
Gilded Age/Will this crazy biatch find love?: Who the fark cares?


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One of Robin Hood's merry band is a key player in Gone With the Wind? That movie truly does fail at history.
 
amb [TotalFark]
2020-06-29 1:00:29 PM  

Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.


What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.
 
2020-06-29 1:02:19 PM  

Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.


Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.
 
2020-06-29 1:05:47 PM  
I saw it some time in the early seventies. It was some sort of a big deal that it was in the theaters, but I don't remember why. I do remember being completely unimpressed for all the hype. Haven't seen it since.
 
2020-06-29 1:45:50 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.


most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.
 
2020-06-29 1:48:52 PM  
It's also really, really racist. exactly what you would expect of a movie from 1940 is you have a fooking clue at all.

Seriously if you don't want to see racism stop looking back into the past, duhh.
If what someone wants is an end to such materials existing/being available in the first placde, that's a whole other situation. Stop pointing at shiat and stating the obvious about what it is. Start saying "and that should not be allowed to be seen or spoken about, and no one should be allowed to make any money selling viewing of it to anyone else that watned to see it.Go on say it already if that's what you really want.
 
2020-06-29 1:50:17 PM  

ifarkthereforiam: I saw it some time in the early seventies. It was some sort of a big deal that it was in the theaters, but I don't remember why. I do remember being completely unimpressed for all the hype. Haven't seen it since.


In many ways Gone With the Wind is one of the original cult movies. With more modern cult movies like The Big Lebowski you can see that the movie was very good just didn't get the attention it deserved. In the case of Gone With the Wind the movie wasn't very good but nostalgia and a desire to see the south in a more sympathetic light gave it a more positive outlook after the fact.
 
2020-06-29 1:55:16 PM  

amb: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.


while I am sure there are many potential Karens named "Tara" after the planation in  GWTW... the name has been around for way longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_(g​i​ven_name)
 
2020-06-29 2:37:39 PM  

Stratohead: amb: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.

while I am sure there are many potential Karens named "Tara" after the planation in  GWTW... the name has been around for way longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_(gi​ven_name)


I have known several Tara's in my life, I have never met one that was even remotely sane.
 
amb [TotalFark]
2020-06-29 3:22:48 PM  

Stratohead: amb: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.

while I am sure there are many potential Karens named "Tara" after the planation in  GWTW... the name has been around for way longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_(gi​ven_name)


True, but her mother said that she picked Tara because of GWTW.
 
2020-06-29 3:33:28 PM  

amb: Stratohead: amb: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

What about people named after the estate in GWTW? Had a housemate named Tara. She was always eating my food, constantly broke and late paying her part of the bills, hypochondriac (who finally got sick), and very negative in general. Glad when I moved out. She was my girlfriend's sorority sister. Once the lease was up, I was out of there. Kept the girlfriend, and she is now my wife of 21 years. Haven't talked to the former roommate in 10 or so years.

while I am sure there are many potential Karens named "Tara" after the planation in  GWTW... the name has been around for way longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_(gi​ven_name)

True, but her mother said that she picked Tara because of GWTW.


That's such a weird inspiration for a child's name. I know some parents name their kids after fictional characters, but naming them after fictional locations is on a whole other level of obsession. Are there people out there named "Death Star" or "Westeros" or "Dante's Inferno Room"?
 
2020-06-29 3:48:05 PM  

Stratohead: Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.

most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.


Lang and Citizen Kane, which essentially invented modern moviemaking.
 
2020-06-29 3:56:43 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Stratohead: Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.

most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.

Lang and Citizen Kane, which essentially invented modern moviemaking.


Good call. I've taken several film study courses, and while some of them mentioned Birth of a Nation in passing, none of them ever considered it important enough to screen in class.

But every film course plays Citizen Kane. If you went to a cooking school to become a craft services caterer, I think even they'd make you watch Kane. It's some kind of law.
 
2020-06-29 4:35:39 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Stratohead: Tyrone Slothrop: Stratohead: I just ignore Gone with Wind for the most part...though I have used it as a warning sign about not getting involved with certain women who "Just LOVE" that film.

I'd rather channels like TCM STOP showing "Birth of a Nation" however...because really...fark that racist , black face sporting Pro KKK propaganda.

Birth of a Nation should only be shown in film history courses.

most of the reasons it is mentioned aside from its scope can be better served by providing examples from any number of dozens of contemporaneous films that used the same techniques to produce them... it wasn't the first film to use close ups or large set pieces...it was just the first 3 hour long film. there is nothing in the film that requires actual viewing of "Birth of a Nation". its racist revisionist propaganda.
you want to impress people with real pioneering film tech...show them Fritz Lang.

Lang and Citizen Kane, which essentially invented modern moviemaking.


I'd add a few of John Ford's movies from the 30s to that list, as they are a huge influence on Kane (and they're good too). Long Voyage Home. Grapes of Wrath. And Stagecoach. Those three are big influences on Kane (two have Toland as cinematographer). They're as or nearly as influential as Kane (which is also, of course, great).
 
2020-06-29 4:38:04 PM  

csi_yellowknife: our finest Applebee-American citizens

stoppedreadingthere.jpg

I never saw it, but I sure as hell am not reading the rest of this self-amused dreck after that line.

/In 2020 I'm not judging anyone's comfort/take-out food tastes.


I've never read much Magary, but whatever we think of his tone, his actual analysis of the film is fairly spot on. He gets what it is about the film that makes it important and even in some ways compelling. And he gets it's serious, serious flaws as a work of Lost Cause mythmaking, faux-nostalgia.
 
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