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(Mediaite)   Megyn Kelly decides that now is a great time to remind us all once again about when she loudly announced on national TV that there used to be a time when blackface was okay   (mediaite.com) divider line
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2020-06-29 9:29:49 AM  
She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.
 
2020-06-29 9:32:02 AM  
So it turns out that when Andy Lack said "there is no place on our air" for my discussion of blackface, it was b/c NBC was already chalk-full of shows and major stars actually wearing blackface ... on the air ... at NBC.

She's dragging the guy who lost his job over her.  This is why no one likes you, Mygan.
 
2020-06-29 9:53:45 AM  
Yeah, I'm going to hire her.

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2020-06-29 11:04:32 AM  
It's been a bad things for far, far longer than people seem to know.

And you wonder why black people get tired of trying to explain this shiat.
 
2020-06-29 11:05:39 AM  

Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.


I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.
 
2020-06-29 12:08:15 PM  

Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.


Sure, if you take "there was a time when it was okay" to mean "there was a time when racist white people thought it was okay" and follow that up with "...and more white people used to be racist."
 
2020-06-29 12:08:31 PM  
"guys it was just a generational thing you guys"

Narrator: The entire generation was racist.
 
2020-06-29 12:08:37 PM  

vudukungfu: Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.

I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.


Seconded.

I once went as Slash for Halloween, I didn't darken my face or body up to look like a black guy, I just put on a top hat, big sunglasses with mirror tint, leather pants, and killed it.
 
2020-06-29 12:08:39 PM  
Bottle blondes, still okay.
 
2020-06-29 12:08:46 PM  
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When the person in blackface is the subject of mockery does it at least get brownie points?
 
2020-06-29 12:11:20 PM  
Was any black person offended by the community episode that literally outright said Chang was an idiot and Pearce was a racist?

Oh well, I've got it downloaded anyway. I'm not upset over it, but it does seem a silly overreaction.
 
2020-06-29 12:11:26 PM  
Make that black face paint from the poop of Black men and you can wear it all day long, Megs.
 
2020-06-29 12:11:28 PM  
The import thing is that she's still fired.
 
2020-06-29 12:12:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: So it turns out that when Andy Lack said "there is no place on our air" for my discussion of blackface, it was b/c NBC was already chalk-full of shows and major stars actually wearing blackface ... on the air ... at NBC.

She's dragging the guy who lost his job over her.  This is why no one likes you, Mygan.


She got fired because she was awful. The blackface was the excuse.
 
2020-06-29 12:12:12 PM  
She should just go yell into her giant pile of money and leave the rest of us alone.
 
2020-06-29 12:12:44 PM  

Grungehamster: [i.redd.it image 739x415]

When the person in blackface is the subject of mockery does it at least get brownie points?


Has there been any mention of pulling that episode from streaming? Because that should have been the FIRST one pulled.
 
2020-06-29 12:13:53 PM  
chalk-full?

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It's CHOCK-FULL!
 
2020-06-29 12:14:45 PM  

JolobinSmokin: vudukungfu: Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.

I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.

Seconded.

I once went as Slash for Halloween, I didn't darken my face or body up to look like a black guy, I just put on a top hat, big sunglasses with mirror tint, leather pants, and killed it.


To be fair, I didn't know slash was mixed race until this very moment, when I had to Google it.

So maybe not the best example. :)
 
2020-06-29 12:15:11 PM  

vudukungfu: Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.

I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.


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One of the things I like about WB's disclaimers on their racist old cartoons is their reminder that even though open racism used to be a lot more commonly seen in American society, "these depictions were wrong then and are wrong today."
 
2020-06-29 12:16:20 PM  
She needs to lay off the facelifts.

She's starting to get Karen eyes.
 
2020-06-29 12:17:06 PM  

vudukungfu: Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.

I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.


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Inherently, blackface is not racist.  BUT... generally speaking, if someone is wearing blackface, I'd wager they're doing it for racist purposes.
 
2020-06-29 12:17:07 PM  

pkjun: vudukungfu: Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.

I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.

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One of the things I like about WB's disclaimers on their racist old cartoons is their reminder that even though open racism used to be a lot more commonly seen in American society, "these depictions were wrong then and are wrong today."


I'd  never seen that disclaimer. Good find.
 
2020-06-29 12:17:38 PM  
I notice the article made sure to tell us all she is on parker now.

I am guessing saying some racist/stupid as fark/anti-lgbtq+ is the beat in for parler.

Like proud boys and cereal.
 
2020-06-29 12:18:29 PM  
Journalist Megyn Kelly.......

And I can't stop laughing.
 
2020-06-29 12:19:02 PM  
Used to be a time when black men doing blackface comedy was okay, too.

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/used to be
 
2020-06-29 12:20:41 PM  
Shut up, Meg.
Your undeserved relevance is past.
 
2020-06-29 12:21:09 PM  

bughunter: Used to be a time when black men doing blackface comedy was okay, too.

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/used to be


I'm not sure that you're clear on what blackface is.
 
2020-06-29 12:21:13 PM  
"How dare those comedy shows be held to a different standard than my 'news' segment!"
-The same person who greenlit the "Obama's baby momma" segment, then laughed when somebody pointed out that it was too racist to air
 
2020-06-29 12:21:25 PM  
I'm currently listening to the Scrubs podcast where they apologize for previously doing blackface, and the showrunner has made the studio pulled the episodes that have it:

Fake Doctors Real Friends
 
2020-06-29 12:21:39 PM  
Japanese people wearing Trumpface, still okay.
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2020-06-29 12:22:52 PM  
This equation is so simple and STILL tons of numbskulls don't get it:

1) Yes, it was always wrong. Even in the past.

2) If you engaged in it in the past and today say, "That was wrong, I should not have done it and I apologize," fine. Most people are willing to move on.

3) If you engaged in it in the past and today just double down, dig in, and offered mealy-mouthed nonsense to wave it away, you're awful and people will still want to cancel you.

It's no more complex than that.

That's the point the "I guess it's only okay them democrats do it!" crybabies seem to miss every time. No, NO ONE is saying it was okay when it happened. It wasn't.

But are people taking ownership of it and apologizing? If so, good. That's why others are willing to let them move on.

If not, well, that's why you're still being criticized, you douchebags,
 
2020-06-29 12:23:07 PM  

Grungehamster: [i.redd.it image 739x415]

When the person in blackface is the subject of mockery does it at least get brownie points?


There are times when blackface is perfectly acceptable.  1. When you are trying to show the world you are a racist.  2.  When you are showing people that you are racist and that despite understanding how harmful racism is, you think it's funny.

I loved some of those jokes and it's been tough to understand that I was promoting racism by enjoying them.  To reconcile the past we have to accept that is was wrong.  It was bad.  It doesn't mean they or we were bad people, but we have to stop the bad behavior.
 
2020-06-29 12:24:10 PM  
In a lot of those examples (Jeong, Hamm), the goal is to lampshade the kind of racism that Kelly was engaging in by suggesting blackface was also maybe OK in situations OTHER than mockery of blackface.

But expecting a conservative to notice that they're not the victim here is like getting a conservative to notice that there might actually be a bit of racism baked into American policing.
 
2020-06-29 12:25:11 PM  
Blackface is stupid, not evil.

Murdering a black man in front of a crowd IS evil.
 
2020-06-29 12:25:38 PM  
long long ago in the before times Al Jolson was known as the king of blackface and was welcomed by the African American community. Although he did traffic in some stereotypes of the day, he was not at all mean spirited and much of his work was in empathy and sympathy for the plight of many African Americans.

However, contemporaneously there were minstrel shows that were far from innocent within their own times. They trafficked in nasty stereotypes and ridicule. They were overtly racist within their own times.

With the passage of time, the worst of the history of minstrel shows has become inextricably linked to blackface. Now original blackface included some exaggerated features and was not simply wearing makeup to appear to be black. As the objection to blackface became more well recognized it was first focused more on that particular style of make-up. However, through time, any make-up to make a white person appear black has been subsumed into the same sense that blackface represents an era of racism and cultural oppression.

Surely Megyn has a far deeper and more nuanced understanding involving when she used to go trick or treating on Halloween.
 
2020-06-29 12:27:52 PM  
Is she pushing for a second round of stimulus, 'cause I get the sense she's not gonna be back in the labor force any time soon.
 
2020-06-29 12:30:12 PM  

bughunter: Used to be a time when black men doing blackface comedy was okay, too.

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/used to be


Buckwheat wasn't blackface.  He was a black kid doing the "pickaninny" stereotype.
 
2020-06-29 12:31:13 PM  

Smackledorfer: Was any black person offended by the community episode that literally outright said Chang was an idiot and Pearce was a racist?

Oh well, I've got it downloaded anyway. I'm not upset over it, but it does seem a silly overreaction.


Community is the only one on the list that I think was remotely okay. It was taking the trope of Drow/Dark Elves and calling it out.

Related note: Wizards' Jeremy Crawford has announced that they are no longer going with inherently evil races and are changing sourcebooks to reflect that.
 
2020-06-29 12:33:38 PM  

bughunter: She needs to lay off the facelifts.

She's starting to get Karen eyes.


The eyes will go nicely with the Karen attitude she's had for years and years.
 
2020-06-29 12:37:05 PM  

RyansPrivates: Related note: Wizards' Jeremy Crawford has announced that they are no longer going with inherently evil races and are changing sourcebooks to reflect that.


Naturally, some boards and comments sections are awash with people griping about "SJWs" and how this movie is "virtue signaling" and "too PC" and all that, but yikes, people. The whole trope of "character from bad race is a good guy" has been around for decades and has always teased at the idea that there was more than what we saw on the surface.

Hell, one of the common themes with half-orcs is that they are often subjected to bad treatment by bigots who only see the surface.

So all WOTC is doing is officially enshrining an idea most fantasy fans had adopted a long time ago.

The crybabies are, of course, the usual suspects.
 
2020-06-29 12:37:11 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Rapmaster2000: So it turns out that when Andy Lack said "there is no place on our air" for my discussion of blackface, it was b/c NBC was already chalk-full of shows and major stars actually wearing blackface ... on the air ... at NBC.

She's dragging the guy who lost his job over her.  This is why no one likes you, Mygan.

She got fired because she was awful. The blackface was the excuse.


More accurately, she was fired after it became immediately and abundantly clear - with her execrable ratings - that hiring her was a disastrous mistake.

Low ratings mean less ability to charge for 15-second blocks of airtime. On prime-time broadcast TV? Your supposedly star asset is dragging your revenue downwards?

Lol she's lucky that NBC found a mutually-convenient excuse and didn't simply say what was obvious to everyone: "She sucks, I mean man she really sucks and we regret hiring her. We'll do better in future."
 
2020-06-29 12:37:23 PM  
My favorite part is that Megyn Kelly thinks the phrase is "chalk-full" instead of "chock-full."
 
2020-06-29 12:38:43 PM  

RyansPrivates: Smackledorfer: Was any black person offended by the community episode that literally outright said Chang was an idiot and Pearce was a racist?

Oh well, I've got it downloaded anyway. I'm not upset over it, but it does seem a silly overreaction.

Community is the only one on the list that I think was remotely okay. It was taking the trope of Drow/Dark Elves and calling it out.

Related note: Wizards' Jeremy Crawford has announced that they are no longer going with inherently evil races and are changing sourcebooks to reflect that.


Drow weren't inherently evil in Forgotten Realms. It was clearly presented as primarily nurture and not nature. Evil races can be done without them having anything to do with human racism.

But I don't want to get off topic so we should just leave it there (with me conveniently getting the last word. Huzzah!)
 
2020-06-29 12:42:50 PM  

shoegaze99: RyansPrivates: Related note: Wizards' Jeremy Crawford has announced that they are no longer going with inherently evil races and are changing sourcebooks to reflect that.

Naturally, some boards and comments sections are awash with people griping about "SJWs" and how this movie is "virtue signaling" and "too PC" and all that, but yikes, people. The whole trope of "character from bad race is a good guy" has been around for decades and has always teased at the idea that there was more than what we saw on the surface.

Hell, one of the common themes with half-orcs is that they are often subjected to bad treatment by bigots who only see the surface.

So all WOTC is doing is officially enshrining an idea most fantasy fans had adopted a long time ago.

The crybabies are, of course, the usual suspects.


Yeah, my game has eschewed the idea of bad guy races for a while. I create good and bad nation-states. Some are homogenous to a one race, some are multicultural. The idea that, for example, dwarves and elves are natural enemies comes from Tolkein. There is no reason for that aside from you wanting it to be that way. No reason it should be enshrined in the gaming system.
 
2020-06-29 12:46:08 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Rapmaster2000: So it turns out that when Andy Lack said "there is no place on our air" for my discussion of blackface, it was b/c NBC was already chalk-full of shows and major stars actually wearing blackface ... on the air ... at NBC.

She's dragging the guy who lost his job over her.  This is why no one likes you, Mygan.

She got fired because she was awful. The blackface was the excuse.


It wasn't even that she was awful, NBC wouldn't have cared. It's that no one watched. The colossally dumb idea that you could take someone popular in the right wing echo chamber and pop them on network tv and they would somehow be able to deliver ratings was preposterous on its face, and Lack should have been fired when that shiate bombed.
 
2020-06-29 12:47:23 PM  

Smackledorfer: RyansPrivates: Smackledorfer: Was any black person offended by the community episode that literally outright said Chang was an idiot and Pearce was a racist?

Oh well, I've got it downloaded anyway. I'm not upset over it, but it does seem a silly overreaction.

Community is the only one on the list that I think was remotely okay. It was taking the trope of Drow/Dark Elves and calling it out.

Related note: Wizards' Jeremy Crawford has announced that they are no longer going with inherently evil races and are changing sourcebooks to reflect that.

Drow weren't inherently evil in Forgotten Realms. It was clearly presented as primarily nurture and not nature. Evil races can be done without them having anything to do with human racism.

But I don't want to get off topic so we should just leave it there (with me conveniently getting the last word. Huzzah!)


They were for a while up through 3.5  (and the popular perception held).  They got  more nuanced in some of the subsequent fiction, but the system itself had drow as such. Even in the latest system, honestly. Just picked up my copy of Mordenkainens Tome of Foes. On page 50: "Lolth's worhsippers gradually transformed into the drow: the cruel, predatory, and wicked offshoot of the elf race". That's pretty cut and dried.
 
2020-06-29 12:48:48 PM  

bughunter: Used to be a time when black men doing blackface comedy was okay, too.

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/used to be


I never knew Eddie Murphy was white. Learned something new today.
 
2020-06-29 12:51:09 PM  
I think it's always important to take context into account. And context requires definition.

'Blackface'  a reference to the minstrel-show white man impersonating a black performer and the descendents of that meme.

Is changing the color of skin or more specifically the deliberate impersonation of another race automatically wrong?

To me, the horribleness of blackface is that it reduces the entirety of a human population to an insulting comedy bit. As if the ONLY thing interesting about them were the color of their skin. The joke is that the white man is taking away even the small victory of entertainment success from the black person: "You can't even entertain us, see I can do it too. Oooga booga"

But a white person darkening their skin for a specific role or character shouldn't automatically be canceled.Or maybe it should, I guess I don't get to decide.

Personally, I like the advice of Christopher Plummer as relayed through Dustin Hoffman: During the filming of Marathon Man, Hoffman would actually go running before any of the scenes where he was supposed to have done so. Hoffman explained to Plummer that he wanted an authentic performance. Plummer responded, "Have you tried acting? It's much easier."
 
2020-06-29 12:52:54 PM  

Smackledorfer: JolobinSmokin: vudukungfu: Pocket Ninja: She's not wrong.

But she's still an asshole, and she still deserves what happened to her.

I'm gonna have to vote with there was never a time when it was really ok.

Seconded.

I once went as Slash for Halloween, I didn't darken my face or body up to look like a black guy, I just put on a top hat, big sunglasses with mirror tint, leather pants, and killed it.

To be fair, I didn't know slash was mixed race until this very moment, when I had to Google it.

So maybe not the best example. :)


From Wikipedia:   "Slash, is a British-American musician and songwriter."

Okay, I read further down to find out more.  His mother was African-American, so doesn't that make Slash British-African American?
 
2020-06-29 12:53:07 PM  
Sorry, Meg, you're well past your use by date and it's hard to hear the echo of your relevancy above the crashing booms of your stupidity.
 
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