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2020-06-29 9:48:12 AM  
Curfews should be unconstitutional. There's literally no way for someone who works nights to reasonably practice their right to assemble peaceably if the presumption is always it won't be peaceably if it's past an arbitrary hour of the night.
 
2020-06-29 10:49:12 AM  
Like they needed an excuse.
 
2020-06-29 12:37:50 PM  
NYPD is a terrorist organization.
 
2020-06-29 12:40:12 PM  
"Hope for the best, plan for the worst." takes on a whole new meaning when "exploitation" is part of the formula.  There are some intricate plans out there to take advantage, covering all forms of power, wealth, and control.
 
2020-06-29 12:42:10 PM  
Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.
 
2020-06-29 12:44:11 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


Nailed it.
 
2020-06-29 12:44:30 PM  
It's a miracle, I tell ya.  They've even managed to weaponize tear gas--something we can't even do in warfare.

/acab
 
2020-06-29 12:44:48 PM  
How is this complex enough that it needs an article? The pigs are literally selected for stupidity, this won't be hard.

1. Protesters protesting
2. Pigs wanna beat them
3. Make new law they can be in violation of
4. Beat them

It's really that straightforward.
 
2020-06-29 12:45:04 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


I think I'd rather blame both if that's fine with you.

I will say that I've been depressed how effectively politicians have obfuscated their role in all of this over the last month.
 
2020-06-29 12:45:51 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


Hey, don't blame me, I was just following orders.
 
2020-06-29 12:46:45 PM  

anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.


Hostile occupying force.
 
2020-06-29 12:49:49 PM  
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The blue wall of silence means there's no such thing as an "ethical cop." Only when we get rid of it will we restore the nation's faith in its police.
 
2020-06-29 12:51:00 PM  
It's almost as if The Intercept has a bunch of the best investigative reporters around.

/seriously, it's not that hard to ignore Greenwald's articles and pay attention to the rest
 
2020-06-29 12:57:03 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


The hammer has the ability to use common farking sense.  People in a building bbq'ing outside is not protesting, rioting, or causing any sort of disturbance.

The curfew set in place was for people out on the streets, not their own private farking property.

Oh wait, it was actually spelled out in the curfew.  They had no reason to do any of this... but they did.
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Under the curfew you were fine as a local resident to be out in your neighborhood and on your own property.  Unless the building management called and said people were protesting they had no right to do what they did, let alone arrest anyone.  And even then if they showed up and found people bbq'ing they should've used common farking sense.

Fark off with your hammer analogy.
 
2020-06-29 1:01:15 PM  

Greil: How is this complex enough that it needs an article? The pigs are literally selected for stupidity, this won't be hard.

1. Protesters protesting
2. Pigs wanna beat them
3. Make new law they can be in violation of
4. Beat them

It's really that straightforward.


For pigs, that's complex tactical thinking. Usually they skip the third step entirely.
 
2020-06-29 1:02:49 PM  
"To serve and to protect" needs to be fixed for accuracy. "To serve the interests of the wealthy and to protect them"
 
2020-06-29 1:05:59 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


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I see the BLUEKNIGHTS are out!
 
2020-06-29 1:13:50 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: "New York City was three days into a newly imposed curfew, the first in 75 years, announced in a joint statement by Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo as a measure to restore order amid the protests and looting that followed the killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin."

If only those Nazi's de Blasio and Cuomo had been able to see beyond their noses and not sic their little Blue Brown Shirt army on POC.


Clearly we need to elect some Democrats so this kind of thing won't happen anymore. Remember to vote Blue in November guys!
 
2020-06-29 1:19:02 PM  

Norfolking Chance: Hey, don't blame me, I was just following orders.


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2020-06-29 1:27:09 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


No fark that. Police have a choice in how they conduct themselves. You don't have to shove  old ladies who are trying to go inside. They don't have to kick and hit people who aren't fighting back. Can I have to run in baton swinging.

They can say "hey you guys, you can't be out here you have to go inside" and then, we wait a little while for people to have a chance to go inside.

if you really think the police are mindless tools, and the politicians are setting these rules of engagement, then you are a blind stupid moron. Read the article. it isn't protesters, it's people having a barbecue on their own property where they thought they were safe.

and when you think of yourself as a hammer, all you ever going to do is smash them nails. This is why we need to defund and completely reorganize the police.
 
2020-06-29 1:34:44 PM  

koder: Curfews should be unconstitutional. There's literally no way for someone who works nights to reasonably practice their right to assemble peaceably if the presumption is always it won't be peaceably if it's past an arbitrary hour of the night.


I think they do some good with people under the age of 15 at least.
Otherwise, curfews are a bullshiat law that gives cops probable cause to fark shiat up... like during protests.
 
2020-06-29 1:36:20 PM  
I don't know how people can see what we've been seeing and read these articles and think that police reform is even remotely an option.  They've been waging war against us for a long time, but this last month they've turned the US into a near-literal battlefield, terrifyingly bereft of the restrictions placed on actual soldiers in combat.  This is insane.
 
2020-06-29 1:44:18 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


I blame the absolute fark out of the cops. They chose to act the way they did, because they love it. They farking get off on it.
 
2020-06-29 1:44:44 PM  
Yeah, I really don't care. They are like Trump at this point. I don't need additional proof that they need replacing with something better.
 
2020-06-29 1:52:00 PM  

anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.


Since they are not advocating political or social change aren't they more like a violent street gang?
 
2020-06-29 1:54:16 PM  
If we didn't have so many stupid laws, the police wouldn't have so much to do, and we could have less of them. If you are doing something that can only hurt yourself, there shouldn't be a law against it. Drugs, j-walking, prostitution, punching someone in the dark... all victimless crimes.
 
2020-06-29 1:57:30 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


Fark that, the law didn't apply to people on their private property. This wasn't a hammer hitting a nail it was a hammer head flying off and doing whatever ever it wanted to the drywall. This hammer is broken and we need a new one.
 
2020-06-29 1:58:02 PM  

SpectroBoy: anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.

Since they are not advocating political or social change aren't they more like a violent street gang?


They advocate political and social change all the time.

There's not a single existing or proposed civil rights protection that they don't oppose. As a whole, they want to turn the world into a prison with themselves as guards.
 
2020-06-29 2:02:25 PM  

eiger: GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.

I think I'd rather blame both if that's fine with you.

I will say that I've been depressed how effectively politicians have obfuscated their role in all of this over the last month.


You can thank the media for that.  They should be screaming it every chance they get.

(They're not going to because the politicians in charge are all democrats)
 
2020-06-29 2:06:37 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


So when Trump tells police officers to abuse people and they do so, you're blame Trump too right?
 
2020-06-29 2:12:44 PM  
dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?
 
2020-06-29 2:16:57 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


tHeY wErE jUsT dOiNg ThIeR jObS
 
2020-06-29 2:17:08 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?
 
2020-06-29 2:21:47 PM  
Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.go​t​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew
 
2020-06-29 2:28:16 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


So the guy coming back may have been in violation of curfew.  If he was, a simple citation would have sufficed.

I've never had a curfew to violate, but I have had cops cut me a break for minor things so many times, that I think issuing this guy a ticket seems heavy handed.

/Do I sound white?
 
2020-06-29 2:36:42 PM  
Videoing is indeed a two way street
 
2020-06-29 2:36:55 PM  

JesseL: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?


Know how I can tell you don't know what having a bbq means?

If it's happening at 11:30 at night, it isn't your typical neighborhood bbq, even if you're cooking food.

The guy in the article didn't even use that term for it.
 
2020-06-29 2:37:07 PM  

SpectroBoy: anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.

Since they are not advocating political or social change aren't they more like a violent street gang?


But they are upholding the political system so it is technically political.
 
2020-06-29 2:38:32 PM  

WelldeadLink: GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.

Nailed it.


Did either of you even read the article.  It said the police weaponized the curfew, not that they set it.  As far as blaming a politician for setting the rules of engagement, I call bullshiat on this.  If we are to believe the article, and if you were to read it, then you should have some serious concerns regarding how overzealously they carried out being the hammer.

Go find another forum if all you are here for is to feel good about yourself.
 
2020-06-29 2:42:43 PM  

My Sober Alt: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

So the guy coming back may have been in violation of curfew.  If he was, a simple citation would have sufficed.

I've never had a curfew to violate, but I have had cops cut me a break for minor things so many times, that I think issuing this guy a ticket seems heavy handed.

/Do I sound white?


You sound like somebody capable of making good decisions.

I think everybody has had run ins with police from time to time that worked out fine. (And that could've been the case here)

It doesn't say it in this article, but they had been asked multiple times nicely by the police to go inside.  People who live in the building had been calling the police complaining about the gathering and the noise.

That's why the cops showed up in the first place.
 
2020-06-29 2:50:16 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


How about we blame the cops who ignore the parameters, ignore what's allowed where, ignore their own rules of engagement, and whisper racial slurs into the ears of the people they brutalize?
 
2020-06-29 2:54:38 PM  
I wish police officers start getting charged with accessory after the fact charges.  That might (wouldn't) escalate the changes needed and whether or not coverups would continue.
 
2020-06-29 3:02:20 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?

Know how I can tell you don't know what having a bbq means?

If it's happening at 11:30 at night, it isn't your typical neighborhood bbq, even if you're cooking food.

The guy in the article didn't even use that term for it.


You've obviously never had good bbq, and obviously do not drink with neighbors or friends.  But then again, borscht is hard to cook in a smoker.
 
2020-06-29 3:07:31 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


Did you bother reading past that, and hell yeah!  Why not.  You think grandma in her walker was out looting in the yard of the building? His elderly dad was out looting and rioting?  Is that what you're implying?

Notice how there are no reports of any looting, rioting, or any other charges in article outside of "obstruction"?  You'd think if there was looting and rioting from these people having a barbecue it wouldve been thrown at them.

As for the store...  he could've been buying mixers, more snacks, cigs, booze, anything.  What the actual fark is suspicious about having to run to the corner store at 1130?  shiat it was just 1 person that made that run.  Are you implying

If you really really believe grandma, grandpa, pregnant women, and little kids were out there and up to no good because they were barbecuing at night you really need to check where you stand.  Did you bother watching the video of the old lady getting pushed down?  The one barely able to walk and you're trying to tell me she was up to no good and looting?
 
2020-06-29 3:13:12 PM  
nivekfalk:

It's simple.  The curfew was set by DeBlasio.  All he has to do is have a meeting with police leadership (he is their boss) and say:

These are the rules of the curfew.  Do not bother anyone not breaking these rules.

These are the actions you're allowed to take should you encounter people breaking the curfew.  If these simple guidelines aren't followed, the officers involved will be fired and possibly arrested.  We will bring other officers in and forcibly remove them from their shift if necessary.

Simple as that.
 
2020-06-29 3:14:13 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?

Know how I can tell you don't know what having a bbq means?

If it's happening at 11:30 at night, it isn't your typical neighborhood bbq, even if you're cooking food.

The guy in the article didn't even use that term for it.


shiat, we had a social distanced neighborhood bbq on saturday and we were out drinking in our driveways until 2am.  Seriously?

Bunch of almost middle aged to middle aged white people with little kids (kids were in bed by 10pm), some of their parents or grandparents were out with us.  We had grills going until 2 am.  We went from brats, burgers, and steaks when we started in the afternoon to skirt steaks for tacos at about 10PM.  Something was always cooking.

Just because you're in bed by 9PM doesn't mean others can't be grilling out until 2am.

Jesus "it's not your typical bbq because it was at 1130 at night."  Oooogaboooga people out grilling at night must be up to no good.  You need to take a step back and evaluate how you sound.

What kind of farking line is that?  Seriously.
 
2020-06-29 3:15:15 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: rules of engagement


HA HA HAA
 
2020-06-29 3:24:33 PM  

dkulprit: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Did you bother reading past that, and hell yeah!  Why not.  You think grandma in her walker was out looting in the yard of the building? His elderly dad was out looting and rioting?  Is that what you're implying?

Notice how there are no reports of any looting, rioting, or any other charges in article outside of "obstruction"?  You'd think if there was looting and rioting from these people having a barbecue it wouldve been thrown at them.

As for the store...  he could've been buying mixers, more snacks, cigs, booze, anything.  What the actual fark is suspicious about having to run to the corner store at 1130?  shiat it was just 1 person that made that run.  Are you implying

If you really really believe grandma, grandpa, pregnant women, and little kids were out there and up to no good because they were barbecuing at night you really need to check where you stand.  Did you bother watching the video of the old lady getting pushed down?  The one barely able to walk and you're trying to tell me she was up to no good and looting?


I just watched the video again, I don't see any grandmas or pregnant women.

Come to think of it, I'm trying to remember the last time I was doing something, anything at 11:30 at night and there were pregnant women and grandmas all over the place. Especially during the pandemic.

Nothing comes to mind
 
2020-06-29 3:27:56 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Did you bother reading past that, and hell yeah!  Why not.  You think grandma in her walker was out looting in the yard of the building? His elderly dad was out looting and rioting?  Is that what you're implying?

Notice how there are no reports of any looting, rioting, or any other charges in article outside of "obstruction"?  You'd think if there was looting and rioting from these people having a barbecue it wouldve been thrown at them.

As for the store...  he could've been buying mixers, more snacks, cigs, booze, anything.  What the actual fark is suspicious about having to run to the corner store at 1130?  shiat it was just 1 person that made that run.  Are you implying

If you really really believe grandma, grandpa, pregnant women, and little kids were out there and up to no good because they were barbecuing at night you really need to check where you stand.  Did you bother watching the video of the old lady getting pushed down?  The one barely able to walk and you're trying to tell me she was up to no good and looting?

I just watched the video again, I don't see any grandmas or pregnant women.

Come to think of it, I'm trying to remember the last time I was doing something, anything at 11:30 at night and there were pregnant women and grandmas all over the place. Especially during the pandemic.

Nothing comes to mind


I'm introverted and full of social anxiety, and even I have been to parties that late.  Including Kiwanis parties.  And Kiwanis is mostly old people, but they still know how to party with beer and whiskey and food.
 
2020-06-29 3:29:54 PM  
rebelyell2006:

Who hasn't?  I'm not arguing the ppl involved weren't having a party.

I said they weren't having a back yard bbq
 
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