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(The Intercept)   How the NYPD "weaponized" the recent George Floyd curfew to attack protesters and NYC residents   (theintercept.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
Curfews should be unconstitutional. There's literally no way for someone who works nights to reasonably practice their right to assemble peaceably if the presumption is always it won't be peaceably if it's past an arbitrary hour of the night.
 
6 days ago  
Like they needed an excuse.
 
6 days ago  
NYPD is a terrorist organization.
 
6 days ago  
"Hope for the best, plan for the worst." takes on a whole new meaning when "exploitation" is part of the formula.  There are some intricate plans out there to take advantage, covering all forms of power, wealth, and control.
 
6 days ago  
Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


Nailed it.
 
6 days ago  
It's a miracle, I tell ya.  They've even managed to weaponize tear gas--something we can't even do in warfare.

/acab
 
6 days ago  
How is this complex enough that it needs an article? The pigs are literally selected for stupidity, this won't be hard.

1. Protesters protesting
2. Pigs wanna beat them
3. Make new law they can be in violation of
4. Beat them

It's really that straightforward.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


I think I'd rather blame both if that's fine with you.

I will say that I've been depressed how effectively politicians have obfuscated their role in all of this over the last month.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


Hey, don't blame me, I was just following orders.
 
6 days ago  

anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.


Hostile occupying force.
 
6 days ago  
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The blue wall of silence means there's no such thing as an "ethical cop." Only when we get rid of it will we restore the nation's faith in its police.
 
6 days ago  
It's almost as if The Intercept has a bunch of the best investigative reporters around.

/seriously, it's not that hard to ignore Greenwald's articles and pay attention to the rest
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


The hammer has the ability to use common farking sense.  People in a building bbq'ing outside is not protesting, rioting, or causing any sort of disturbance.

The curfew set in place was for people out on the streets, not their own private farking property.

Oh wait, it was actually spelled out in the curfew.  They had no reason to do any of this... but they did.
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Under the curfew you were fine as a local resident to be out in your neighborhood and on your own property.  Unless the building management called and said people were protesting they had no right to do what they did, let alone arrest anyone.  And even then if they showed up and found people bbq'ing they should've used common farking sense.

Fark off with your hammer analogy.
 
6 days ago  

Greil: How is this complex enough that it needs an article? The pigs are literally selected for stupidity, this won't be hard.

1. Protesters protesting
2. Pigs wanna beat them
3. Make new law they can be in violation of
4. Beat them

It's really that straightforward.


For pigs, that's complex tactical thinking. Usually they skip the third step entirely.
 
6 days ago  
"To serve and to protect" needs to be fixed for accuracy. "To serve the interests of the wealthy and to protect them"
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


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I see the BLUEKNIGHTS are out!
 
6 days ago  
FTFA

"New York City was three days into a newly imposed curfew, the first in 75 years, announced in a joint statement by Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo as a measure to restore order amid the protests and looting that followed the killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin."

If only those Nazi's de Blasio and Cuomo had been able to see beyond their noses and not sic their little Blue Brown Shirt army on POC.

None of this would have happened.  The pigs would have been someplace eating doughnuts or banging your wife or something.

But, I guess when you crammed people with COVID back into nursing homes to spread the virus around to all the old people, you have to do SOMETHING to distract people from your shenanigans.


So, it's really easy.  Pick the enemy du Jour and throw them out there to make a rucus.  They're happy and dumb enough to oblige you.

So while everyone is looking at the shiny thing over here, no one notices how farked up NY and NYC's leadership really is.

Cops don't impose illegal curfews or decide what policy to follow.  Most of them are just drones who do what they're told.  So if the Mayor says "go get 'em".  The cops do what any unleashed dog does.

At least Kenny and the Philly police chief admitted they were wrong for using tear gas on protesters.  It doesn't fix it.  It still makes both of them authoritarian scum.  But beat cops don't break out the tear gas and helmets because it's Tuesday during lent or something.
 
6 days ago  

Cdr.Murdock: "New York City was three days into a newly imposed curfew, the first in 75 years, announced in a joint statement by Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo as a measure to restore order amid the protests and looting that followed the killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin."

If only those Nazi's de Blasio and Cuomo had been able to see beyond their noses and not sic their little Blue Brown Shirt army on POC.


Clearly we need to elect some Democrats so this kind of thing won't happen anymore. Remember to vote Blue in November guys!
 
6 days ago  

Norfolking Chance: Hey, don't blame me, I was just following orders.


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6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


No fark that. Police have a choice in how they conduct themselves. You don't have to shove  old ladies who are trying to go inside. They don't have to kick and hit people who aren't fighting back. Can I have to run in baton swinging.

They can say "hey you guys, you can't be out here you have to go inside" and then, we wait a little while for people to have a chance to go inside.

if you really think the police are mindless tools, and the politicians are setting these rules of engagement, then you are a blind stupid moron. Read the article. it isn't protesters, it's people having a barbecue on their own property where they thought they were safe.

and when you think of yourself as a hammer, all you ever going to do is smash them nails. This is why we need to defund and completely reorganize the police.
 
6 days ago  

koder: Curfews should be unconstitutional. There's literally no way for someone who works nights to reasonably practice their right to assemble peaceably if the presumption is always it won't be peaceably if it's past an arbitrary hour of the night.


I think they do some good with people under the age of 15 at least.
Otherwise, curfews are a bullshiat law that gives cops probable cause to fark shiat up... like during protests.
 
6 days ago  
I don't know how people can see what we've been seeing and read these articles and think that police reform is even remotely an option.  They've been waging war against us for a long time, but this last month they've turned the US into a near-literal battlefield, terrifyingly bereft of the restrictions placed on actual soldiers in combat.  This is insane.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


I blame the absolute fark out of the cops. They chose to act the way they did, because they love it. They farking get off on it.
 
6 days ago  
Yeah, I really don't care. They are like Trump at this point. I don't need additional proof that they need replacing with something better.
 
6 days ago  

anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.


Since they are not advocating political or social change aren't they more like a violent street gang?
 
6 days ago  
If we didn't have so many stupid laws, the police wouldn't have so much to do, and we could have less of them. If you are doing something that can only hurt yourself, there shouldn't be a law against it. Drugs, j-walking, prostitution, punching someone in the dark... all victimless crimes.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


Fark that, the law didn't apply to people on their private property. This wasn't a hammer hitting a nail it was a hammer head flying off and doing whatever ever it wanted to the drywall. This hammer is broken and we need a new one.
 
6 days ago  

SpectroBoy: anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.

Since they are not advocating political or social change aren't they more like a violent street gang?


They advocate political and social change all the time.

There's not a single existing or proposed civil rights protection that they don't oppose. As a whole, they want to turn the world into a prison with themselves as guards.
 
6 days ago  

eiger: GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.

I think I'd rather blame both if that's fine with you.

I will say that I've been depressed how effectively politicians have obfuscated their role in all of this over the last month.


You can thank the media for that.  They should be screaming it every chance they get.

(They're not going to because the politicians in charge are all democrats)
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


So when Trump tells police officers to abuse people and they do so, you're blame Trump too right?
 
6 days ago  
dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


tHeY wErE jUsT dOiNg ThIeR jObS
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?
 
6 days ago  
Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.go​t​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


So the guy coming back may have been in violation of curfew.  If he was, a simple citation would have sufficed.

I've never had a curfew to violate, but I have had cops cut me a break for minor things so many times, that I think issuing this guy a ticket seems heavy handed.

/Do I sound white?
 
6 days ago  
Videoing is indeed a two way street
 
6 days ago  

JesseL: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?


Know how I can tell you don't know what having a bbq means?

If it's happening at 11:30 at night, it isn't your typical neighborhood bbq, even if you're cooking food.

The guy in the article didn't even use that term for it.
 
6 days ago  

SpectroBoy: anfrind: NYPD is a terrorist organization.

Since they are not advocating political or social change aren't they more like a violent street gang?


But they are upholding the political system so it is technically political.
 
6 days ago  

WelldeadLink: GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.

Nailed it.


Did either of you even read the article.  It said the police weaponized the curfew, not that they set it.  As far as blaming a politician for setting the rules of engagement, I call bullshiat on this.  If we are to believe the article, and if you were to read it, then you should have some serious concerns regarding how overzealously they carried out being the hammer.

Go find another forum if all you are here for is to feel good about yourself.
 
6 days ago  

My Sober Alt: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

So the guy coming back may have been in violation of curfew.  If he was, a simple citation would have sufficed.

I've never had a curfew to violate, but I have had cops cut me a break for minor things so many times, that I think issuing this guy a ticket seems heavy handed.

/Do I sound white?


You sound like somebody capable of making good decisions.

I think everybody has had run ins with police from time to time that worked out fine. (And that could've been the case here)

It doesn't say it in this article, but they had been asked multiple times nicely by the police to go inside.  People who live in the building had been calling the police complaining about the gathering and the noise.

That's why the cops showed up in the first place.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.


How about we blame the cops who ignore the parameters, ignore what's allowed where, ignore their own rules of engagement, and whisper racial slurs into the ears of the people they brutalize?
 
6 days ago  
I wish police officers start getting charged with accessory after the fact charges.  That might (wouldn't) escalate the changes needed and whether or not coverups would continue.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?

Know how I can tell you don't know what having a bbq means?

If it's happening at 11:30 at night, it isn't your typical neighborhood bbq, even if you're cooking food.

The guy in the article didn't even use that term for it.


You've obviously never had good bbq, and obviously do not drink with neighbors or friends.  But then again, borscht is hard to cook in a smoker.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


Did you bother reading past that, and hell yeah!  Why not.  You think grandma in her walker was out looting in the yard of the building? His elderly dad was out looting and rioting?  Is that what you're implying?

Notice how there are no reports of any looting, rioting, or any other charges in article outside of "obstruction"?  You'd think if there was looting and rioting from these people having a barbecue it wouldve been thrown at them.

As for the store...  he could've been buying mixers, more snacks, cigs, booze, anything.  What the actual fark is suspicious about having to run to the corner store at 1130?  shiat it was just 1 person that made that run.  Are you implying

If you really really believe grandma, grandpa, pregnant women, and little kids were out there and up to no good because they were barbecuing at night you really need to check where you stand.  Did you bother watching the video of the old lady getting pushed down?  The one barely able to walk and you're trying to tell me she was up to no good and looting?
 
6 days ago  
nivekfalk:

It's simple.  The curfew was set by DeBlasio.  All he has to do is have a meeting with police leadership (he is their boss) and say:

These are the rules of the curfew.  Do not bother anyone not breaking these rules.

These are the actions you're allowed to take should you encounter people breaking the curfew.  If these simple guidelines aren't followed, the officers involved will be fired and possibly arrested.  We will bring other officers in and forcibly remove them from their shift if necessary.

Simple as that.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Know how I can tell that you've never been to a good BBQ?

Know how I can tell you don't know what having a bbq means?

If it's happening at 11:30 at night, it isn't your typical neighborhood bbq, even if you're cooking food.

The guy in the article didn't even use that term for it.


shiat, we had a social distanced neighborhood bbq on saturday and we were out drinking in our driveways until 2am.  Seriously?

Bunch of almost middle aged to middle aged white people with little kids (kids were in bed by 10pm), some of their parents or grandparents were out with us.  We had grills going until 2 am.  We went from brats, burgers, and steaks when we started in the afternoon to skirt steaks for tacos at about 10PM.  Something was always cooking.

Just because you're in bed by 9PM doesn't mean others can't be grilling out until 2am.

Jesus "it's not your typical bbq because it was at 1130 at night."  Oooogaboooga people out grilling at night must be up to no good.  You need to take a step back and evaluate how you sound.

What kind of farking line is that?  Seriously.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: rules of engagement


HA HA HAA
 
6 days ago  

dkulprit: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Did you bother reading past that, and hell yeah!  Why not.  You think grandma in her walker was out looting in the yard of the building? His elderly dad was out looting and rioting?  Is that what you're implying?

Notice how there are no reports of any looting, rioting, or any other charges in article outside of "obstruction"?  You'd think if there was looting and rioting from these people having a barbecue it wouldve been thrown at them.

As for the store...  he could've been buying mixers, more snacks, cigs, booze, anything.  What the actual fark is suspicious about having to run to the corner store at 1130?  shiat it was just 1 person that made that run.  Are you implying

If you really really believe grandma, grandpa, pregnant women, and little kids were out there and up to no good because they were barbecuing at night you really need to check where you stand.  Did you bother watching the video of the old lady getting pushed down?  The one barely able to walk and you're trying to tell me she was up to no good and looting?


I just watched the video again, I don't see any grandmas or pregnant women.

Come to think of it, I'm trying to remember the last time I was doing something, anything at 11:30 at night and there were pregnant women and grandmas all over the place. Especially during the pandemic.

Nothing comes to mind
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

Did you bother reading past that, and hell yeah!  Why not.  You think grandma in her walker was out looting in the yard of the building? His elderly dad was out looting and rioting?  Is that what you're implying?

Notice how there are no reports of any looting, rioting, or any other charges in article outside of "obstruction"?  You'd think if there was looting and rioting from these people having a barbecue it wouldve been thrown at them.

As for the store...  he could've been buying mixers, more snacks, cigs, booze, anything.  What the actual fark is suspicious about having to run to the corner store at 1130?  shiat it was just 1 person that made that run.  Are you implying

If you really really believe grandma, grandpa, pregnant women, and little kids were out there and up to no good because they were barbecuing at night you really need to check where you stand.  Did you bother watching the video of the old lady getting pushed down?  The one barely able to walk and you're trying to tell me she was up to no good and looting?

I just watched the video again, I don't see any grandmas or pregnant women.

Come to think of it, I'm trying to remember the last time I was doing something, anything at 11:30 at night and there were pregnant women and grandmas all over the place. Especially during the pandemic.

Nothing comes to mind


I'm introverted and full of social anxiety, and even I have been to parties that late.  Including Kiwanis parties.  And Kiwanis is mostly old people, but they still know how to party with beer and whiskey and food.
 
6 days ago  
rebelyell2006:

Who hasn't?  I'm not arguing the ppl involved weren't having a party.

I said they weren't having a back yard bbq
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do
 
6 days ago  

zepillin: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do


Bars that stay open late tend to be their busiest at 5:00 PM and 11:00 PM, I have noticed.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: rebelyell2006:

Who hasn't?  I'm not arguing the ppl involved weren't having a party.

I said they weren't having a back yard bbq


Cookout, barbecue, grilling, it's all the same way of saying "people are hanging out outside with beer and snacks and stand around a person who is cooking meats".  The particular term people use generally depends on their location.  It's an American English idiom to refer to a cookout as a "barbecue".
 
6 days ago  

zepillin: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do


I'm about the last person that would criticize them for having a party despite the virus.

The curfew started at 8 pm is the point I was making.  Why was he driving around at11:30?
 
6 days ago  

rebelyell2006: I'm introverted and full of social anxiety, and even I have been to parties that late. Including Kiwanis parties. And Kiwanis is mostly old people, but they still know how to party with beer and whiskey and food.


Same. Family get togethers for the 4th run well past midnight and up until recently included a Mennonite great grandmother in her 90s.

GrizzlyPouch: rebelyell2006:

Who hasn't?  I'm not arguing the ppl involved weren't having a party.

I said they weren't having a back yard bbq


Oh, you're falling back on a shiatty semantic argument then?

Go back eating to your tub of boot polish and masturbating to old episodes of Cops on VHS.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: zepillin: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do

I'm about the last person that would criticize them for having a party despite the virus.

The curfew started at 8 pm is the point I was making.  Why was he driving around at11:30?


Probably not a good idea if you wanna avoid getting busted
 
6 days ago  
JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


There's always somebody he's got to be all like "why were they doing that thing. They were totally allowed to do" when somebody's rights get violated.

I bet you're also the same sort of person who says you shouldn't be forced to wear a mask.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.


Right.

From the article:
Video shot from inside Blue's building shows uniformed officers in helmets swarming into his hallway, sticking their heads into individual apartments and ordering outraged residents to stay inside. A tall, white officer slapped the protective shield of his helmet over his face and gripped his nightstick with both hands as he barked orders at an elderly Black woman pushing her walker away from the scene.
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Orderly police, serving and protecting. Horse hockey.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew


do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.


I guess you never get invited to stuff.  That sucks.
 
6 days ago  

Greil: How is this complex enough that it needs an article? The pigs are literally selected for stupidity, this won't be hard.

1. Protesters protesting
2. Pigs wanna beat them
3. Make new law they can be in violation of
4. Beat them

It's really that straightforward.


you sound anti-social
 
6 days ago  

Nosatril: Yeah, I really don't care. They are like Trump at this point. I don't need additional proof that they need replacing with something better.


New York should vote in some Democrats to clean things up.

/eyeroll
 
6 days ago  

austerity101: I don't know how people can see what we've been seeing and read these articles and think that police reform is even remotely an option.  They've been waging war against us for a long time, but this last month they've turned the US into a near-literal battlefield, terrifyingly bereft of the restrictions placed on actual soldiers in combat.  This is insane.


who are you talking about? The cops, in the last month, have turned the US into a near-literal battlefield?  That has to be the stupidest thing I've read on Fark in quite awhile.
 
6 days ago  

whitroth: GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.

Right.

From the article:
Video shot from inside Blue's building shows uniformed officers in helmets swarming into his hallway, sticking their heads into individual apartments and ordering outraged residents to stay inside. A tall, white officer slapped the protective shield of his helmet over his face and gripped his nightstick with both hands as he barked orders at an elderly Black woman pushing her walker away from the scene.
---
Orderly police, serving and protecting. Horse hockey.


Please.  If there were video of that it would be all over the internet.  It's tough to find anything in that article that isn't fiction.
 
6 days ago  

chawco: GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew

do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.


The video isn't ideal, but what are the cops supposed to do?

Ppl living in the building call them, complain about the noise ask the cops to handle it.  There is after all a curfew in effect.

Cops show up, ask nicely for ppl to go inside.  Multiple times.

At that point they've got 2 options: leave, which would tell people they can do whatever they want despite what laws say or they can forcibly enforce the law (which is their job)

Sure, having to do that isn't pretty, but don't blame the cops, blame the ppl who felt like the laws just didn't apply to them and they could do whatever they wanted to.

The cops aren't dressed in riot gear, they didn't show up looking for a fight. Why do you think they waited for the captain to show up before it started to get physical?
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: chawco: GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew

do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.

The video isn't ideal, but what are the cops supposed to do?

Ppl living in the building call them, complain about the noise ask the cops to handle it.  There is after all a curfew in effect.

Cops show up, ask nicely for ppl to go inside.  Multiple times.

At that point they've got 2 options: leave, which would tell people they can do whatever they want despite what laws say or they can forcibly enforce the law (which is their job)

Sure, having to do that isn't pretty, but don't blame the cops, blame the ppl who felt like the laws just didn't apply to them and they could do whatever they wanted to.

The cops aren't dressed in riot gear, they didn't show up looking for a fight. Why do you think they waited for the captain to show up before it started to get physical?


It's more than that idea, it's highly unprofessional. Guy standing there screaming swear words at the protesters is not acting like a professional police officer was supposed to. Shoving them inside the house is not acting professional.

if the best we can expect police to do is to lose their temper and start screaming at people and shoving pushing or hitting when they don't follow orders, then we'rrswe'rr a pretty low bar.

what they should do is stand there calmly, even if people are kind of screaming at them, and explain to them that they can either go back in their houses or get arrested. They could, you know, not escalat iy by screaming back and shoving.

Yes that is a high bar. what is the kind of bar that we should be setting for law enforcement. These are people who are allowed to harm other citizens. They should not be allowed to do so because they are pissed off of frustrated that somebody didn't obey them fast enough. set the bar high, people reach to achieve. When you set the bar low, then they follow the low bar, and they do what people do, and fall lower than that.

nothing in the behaviour I see here, or the behavior I've seen in any number of other videos, it's appropriate for people who have been entrusted with enforcing the law and with the ability to inflict violence on their fellow citizens and the enforcement of that law.

He was more than not ideal. and if you can watch police acting that way and not be disturbed, there's something a little bit off about you. Honestly, I think you're probably a bit of a racist ass hat (yes I don't know if that's true) reeking of white privilege, seeing the police doing this to black people and thinking it's okay. I can't help but imagine you would change your tune if this was a bunch of middle class white folk in a suburban neighbourhood.

Maybe I missed urging you, but your continued and ribald defense of police violence paints a certain picture.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

rebelyell2006: GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.

I guess you never get invited to stuff.  That sucks.


I mean, after reading their posts, I kind of understand why.
 
6 days ago  

edmo: Like they needed an excuse.


Government tht has the power to give you stuff has enough power to take it away
 
6 days ago  

dkulprit: GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.

The hammer has the ability to use common farking sense.  People in a building bbq'ing outside is not protesting, rioting, or causing any sort of disturbance.

The curfew set in place was for people out on the streets, not their own private farking property.

Oh wait, it was actually spelled out in the curfew.  They had no reason to do any of this... but they did.
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Under the curfew you were fine as a local resident to be out in your neighborhood and on your own property.  Unless the building management called and said people were protesting they had no right to do what they did, let alone arrest anyone.  And even then if they showed up and found people bbq'ing they should've used common farking sense.

Fark off with your hammer analogy.


Had an interesting conversation with a person who did personal level security for the office of the Premiere of Ontario for a good number of years. Two things I got out of it:
1. Cops now run by the rule of law they arent encouraged to think for multiple reasons.
2. Doesn't matter who is running the province and their political stance they are all the same and the influencers dont change.
 
6 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: "To serve and to protect" needs to be fixed for accuracy. "To serve the interests of the wealthy and to protect them"


It's society as a whole not the individual and society listens to who has the most money.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: chawco: GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew

do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.

The video isn't ideal, but what are the cops supposed to do?

Ppl living in the building call them, complain about the noise ask the cops to handle it. There is after all a curfew in effect.

Cops show up, ask nicely for ppl to go inside.  Multiple times.

At that point they've got 2 options: leave, which would tell people they can do whatever they want despite what laws say or they can forcibly enforce the law (which is their job)

Sure, having to do that isn't pretty, but don't blame the cops, blame the ppl who felt like the laws just didn't apply to them and they could do whatever they wanted to.

The cops aren't dressed in riot gear, they didn't show up looking for a fight. Why do you think they waited for the captain to show up before it started to get physical?


Do you know that's what happened? Seems to be a firework went off in the neighborhood and the cops attacked the first people they could find.

I blame the cops 100%. Cops believe that without them the city would fall into chaos. Police don't stop crimes, 99% of the time they're there to write a report after a crime has occured. Maybe if it's worth someone's time they'll investigate and try to find out who did it. In Bufflao, NY 57 cops rage quit the anti-riot squad after one office got charged for cracking the skull of a 75 year old. Last time I checked Buffalo hasn't rioted itself into oblivion after that.

The "thin blue line" is just more of the us vs. them bullshiat that has been the mantra of police for the last 50 years.
 
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