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2020-06-29 3:31:04 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do
 
2020-06-29 3:32:53 PM  

zepillin: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do


Bars that stay open late tend to be their busiest at 5:00 PM and 11:00 PM, I have noticed.
 
2020-06-29 3:35:31 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: rebelyell2006:

Who hasn't?  I'm not arguing the ppl involved weren't having a party.

I said they weren't having a back yard bbq


Cookout, barbecue, grilling, it's all the same way of saying "people are hanging out outside with beer and snacks and stand around a person who is cooking meats".  The particular term people use generally depends on their location.  It's an American English idiom to refer to a cookout as a "barbecue".
 
2020-06-29 3:36:00 PM  

zepillin: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do


I'm about the last person that would criticize them for having a party despite the virus.

The curfew started at 8 pm is the point I was making.  Why was he driving around at11:30?
 
2020-06-29 3:36:08 PM  

rebelyell2006: I'm introverted and full of social anxiety, and even I have been to parties that late. Including Kiwanis parties. And Kiwanis is mostly old people, but they still know how to party with beer and whiskey and food.


Same. Family get togethers for the 4th run well past midnight and up until recently included a Mennonite great grandmother in her 90s.

GrizzlyPouch: rebelyell2006:

Who hasn't?  I'm not arguing the ppl involved weren't having a party.

I said they weren't having a back yard bbq


Oh, you're falling back on a shiatty semantic argument then?

Go back eating to your tub of boot polish and masturbating to old episodes of Cops on VHS.
 
2020-06-29 3:39:54 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: zepillin: GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?

adult skate nights usually start around 9:30 but no one really shows up till 11 or 11:30

is a 2 o'clock  on a saturday afternoon barbecue somehow essential or is it just cool cuz that's what the whites that work do

I'm about the last person that would criticize them for having a party despite the virus.

The curfew started at 8 pm is the point I was making.  Why was he driving around at11:30?


Probably not a good idea if you wanna avoid getting busted
 
2020-06-29 3:59:49 PM  
JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.
 
2020-06-29 4:02:50 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: dkulprit:

So they were having a bbq at 11:30 at night?

And the guy in the article said he was coming back home from the store?  Is that essential at 11:30 at night?


There's always somebody he's got to be all like "why were they doing that thing. They were totally allowed to do" when somebody's rights get violated.

I bet you're also the same sort of person who says you shouldn't be forced to wear a mask.
 
2020-06-29 4:04:42 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.


Right.

From the article:
Video shot from inside Blue's building shows uniformed officers in helmets swarming into his hallway, sticking their heads into individual apartments and ordering outraged residents to stay inside. A tall, white officer slapped the protective shield of his helmet over his face and gripped his nightstick with both hands as he barked orders at an elderly Black woman pushing her walker away from the scene.
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Orderly police, serving and protecting. Horse hockey.
 
2020-06-29 4:05:00 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew


do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.
 
2020-06-29 4:05:09 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.


I guess you never get invited to stuff.  That sucks.
 
2020-06-29 4:11:42 PM  

Greil: How is this complex enough that it needs an article? The pigs are literally selected for stupidity, this won't be hard.

1. Protesters protesting
2. Pigs wanna beat them
3. Make new law they can be in violation of
4. Beat them

It's really that straightforward.


you sound anti-social
 
2020-06-29 4:17:33 PM  

Nosatril: Yeah, I really don't care. They are like Trump at this point. I don't need additional proof that they need replacing with something better.


New York should vote in some Democrats to clean things up.

/eyeroll
 
2020-06-29 4:20:09 PM  

austerity101: I don't know how people can see what we've been seeing and read these articles and think that police reform is even remotely an option.  They've been waging war against us for a long time, but this last month they've turned the US into a near-literal battlefield, terrifyingly bereft of the restrictions placed on actual soldiers in combat.  This is insane.


who are you talking about? The cops, in the last month, have turned the US into a near-literal battlefield?  That has to be the stupidest thing I've read on Fark in quite awhile.
 
2020-06-29 4:23:32 PM  

whitroth: GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.

Right.

From the article:
Video shot from inside Blue's building shows uniformed officers in helmets swarming into his hallway, sticking their heads into individual apartments and ordering outraged residents to stay inside. A tall, white officer slapped the protective shield of his helmet over his face and gripped his nightstick with both hands as he barked orders at an elderly Black woman pushing her walker away from the scene.
---
Orderly police, serving and protecting. Horse hockey.


Please.  If there were video of that it would be all over the internet.  It's tough to find anything in that article that isn't fiction.
 
2020-06-29 4:31:46 PM  

chawco: GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew

do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.


The video isn't ideal, but what are the cops supposed to do?

Ppl living in the building call them, complain about the noise ask the cops to handle it.  There is after all a curfew in effect.

Cops show up, ask nicely for ppl to go inside.  Multiple times.

At that point they've got 2 options: leave, which would tell people they can do whatever they want despite what laws say or they can forcibly enforce the law (which is their job)

Sure, having to do that isn't pretty, but don't blame the cops, blame the ppl who felt like the laws just didn't apply to them and they could do whatever they wanted to.

The cops aren't dressed in riot gear, they didn't show up looking for a fight. Why do you think they waited for the captain to show up before it started to get physical?
 
2020-06-29 4:47:12 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: chawco: GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew

do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.

The video isn't ideal, but what are the cops supposed to do?

Ppl living in the building call them, complain about the noise ask the cops to handle it.  There is after all a curfew in effect.

Cops show up, ask nicely for ppl to go inside.  Multiple times.

At that point they've got 2 options: leave, which would tell people they can do whatever they want despite what laws say or they can forcibly enforce the law (which is their job)

Sure, having to do that isn't pretty, but don't blame the cops, blame the ppl who felt like the laws just didn't apply to them and they could do whatever they wanted to.

The cops aren't dressed in riot gear, they didn't show up looking for a fight. Why do you think they waited for the captain to show up before it started to get physical?


It's more than that idea, it's highly unprofessional. Guy standing there screaming swear words at the protesters is not acting like a professional police officer was supposed to. Shoving them inside the house is not acting professional.

if the best we can expect police to do is to lose their temper and start screaming at people and shoving pushing or hitting when they don't follow orders, then we'rrswe'rr a pretty low bar.

what they should do is stand there calmly, even if people are kind of screaming at them, and explain to them that they can either go back in their houses or get arrested. They could, you know, not escalat iy by screaming back and shoving.

Yes that is a high bar. what is the kind of bar that we should be setting for law enforcement. These are people who are allowed to harm other citizens. They should not be allowed to do so because they are pissed off of frustrated that somebody didn't obey them fast enough. set the bar high, people reach to achieve. When you set the bar low, then they follow the low bar, and they do what people do, and fall lower than that.

nothing in the behaviour I see here, or the behavior I've seen in any number of other videos, it's appropriate for people who have been entrusted with enforcing the law and with the ability to inflict violence on their fellow citizens and the enforcement of that law.

He was more than not ideal. and if you can watch police acting that way and not be disturbed, there's something a little bit off about you. Honestly, I think you're probably a bit of a racist ass hat (yes I don't know if that's true) reeking of white privilege, seeing the police doing this to black people and thinking it's okay. I can't help but imagine you would change your tune if this was a bunch of middle class white folk in a suburban neighbourhood.

Maybe I missed urging you, but your continued and ribald defense of police violence paints a certain picture.
 
2020-06-29 4:51:37 PM  
Obvious tag decided its presence was redundant.
 
2020-06-29 4:57:45 PM  

rebelyell2006: GrizzlyPouch: JesseL:

Nobody has family get togethers at 11:30 at night in the middle of a curfew.  Stop trying to pretend they do.

People in the same building where this party was happening were calling the cops to break it up.

Despite what the article says, This wasn't a bunch of neighbors casually grilling with their families.

I guess you never get invited to stuff.  That sucks.


I mean, after reading their posts, I kind of understand why.
 
2020-06-29 5:59:10 PM  

edmo: Like they needed an excuse.


Government tht has the power to give you stuff has enough power to take it away
 
2020-06-29 6:04:26 PM  

dkulprit: GrizzlyPouch: Police officers don't set curfews.  They don't set the parameters (like who's allowed to be where, on their porch in their house etc.)

They don't set the rules of engagement on how to handle people not following their instructions (or whatever).  Politicians do all that.

You're blaming the hammer.   Blame the people who saw the problem as a nail and picked the hammer.

The hammer has the ability to use common farking sense.  People in a building bbq'ing outside is not protesting, rioting, or causing any sort of disturbance.

The curfew set in place was for people out on the streets, not their own private farking property.

Oh wait, it was actually spelled out in the curfew.  They had no reason to do any of this... but they did.
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Under the curfew you were fine as a local resident to be out in your neighborhood and on your own property.  Unless the building management called and said people were protesting they had no right to do what they did, let alone arrest anyone.  And even then if they showed up and found people bbq'ing they should've used common farking sense.

Fark off with your hammer analogy.


Had an interesting conversation with a person who did personal level security for the office of the Premiere of Ontario for a good number of years. Two things I got out of it:
1. Cops now run by the rule of law they arent encouraged to think for multiple reasons.
2. Doesn't matter who is running the province and their political stance they are all the same and the influencers dont change.
 
2020-06-29 6:05:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "To serve and to protect" needs to be fixed for accuracy. "To serve the interests of the wealthy and to protect them"


It's society as a whole not the individual and society listens to who has the most money.
 
2020-06-29 6:53:50 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: chawco: GrizzlyPouch: Btw, here's some video of the incident. Turns out the police "dressed for war" have on t-shirts.  They don't even have on helmets.

And the "non-hostile" crowd is screaming at the cops and continuously running right up to them.

NSFW language

https://www.google.com/amp/s/champ.got​hamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/videos​-nypd-crown-heights-bbq-arrest-curfew

do... Do you really think that video shows the police in a good light? Yeah people are pissed and shouting back, but the cops were literally throwing a pushing them into their own house, and keep pushing them after they're inside.

I mean... What's wrong with you? yeah they might not have been in full riot gear, but that video was still all kinds of farked up. And all kinds of unprofessional.

The video isn't ideal, but what are the cops supposed to do?

Ppl living in the building call them, complain about the noise ask the cops to handle it. There is after all a curfew in effect.

Cops show up, ask nicely for ppl to go inside.  Multiple times.

At that point they've got 2 options: leave, which would tell people they can do whatever they want despite what laws say or they can forcibly enforce the law (which is their job)

Sure, having to do that isn't pretty, but don't blame the cops, blame the ppl who felt like the laws just didn't apply to them and they could do whatever they wanted to.

The cops aren't dressed in riot gear, they didn't show up looking for a fight. Why do you think they waited for the captain to show up before it started to get physical?


Do you know that's what happened? Seems to be a firework went off in the neighborhood and the cops attacked the first people they could find.

I blame the cops 100%. Cops believe that without them the city would fall into chaos. Police don't stop crimes, 99% of the time they're there to write a report after a crime has occured. Maybe if it's worth someone's time they'll investigate and try to find out who did it. In Bufflao, NY 57 cops rage quit the anti-riot squad after one office got charged for cracking the skull of a 75 year old. Last time I checked Buffalo hasn't rioted itself into oblivion after that.

The "thin blue line" is just more of the us vs. them bullshiat that has been the mantra of police for the last 50 years.
 
2020-06-29 7:17:19 PM  
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