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2020-06-28 3:04:06 AM  
I really hope he doesn't go with Biden-Bottoms 2020.
 
2020-06-28 7:22:58 AM  
Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.
 
2020-06-28 7:28:22 AM  

HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.


Well, "positioning", "optics", and also "a lifetime of different lived experiences that would give her different insights and perspectives on many systems, including some of those that have recently been conclusively proven to be broken in ways that surprised most of the white left-wing establishment but which the black community has unsuccessfully been trying to communicate to the democratic mainstream for decades now."
 
2020-06-28 7:28:48 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I really hope he doesn't go with Biden-Bottoms 2020.


Let some of us enjoy our fetishes.
 
2020-06-28 8:16:36 AM  
Plus, I don't see Biden picking a mayor. That's a pretty big step up. And Biden needs to pick someone who has enough experience and gravitas that we don't have to do 2008 in reverse and have to spend airspace defending her experience instead of hammering Trump into oblivion.
 
2020-06-28 8:22:18 AM  
Also, Biden is super-ahead because people are craving normality and a steady hand on the ship of state. Picking a wild card like the Mayor of Atlanta? No, Biden's no maverick, and it's 180 degrees from what voters want. Can you actually see bumper stickers that say "BIDEN-LANCE-BOTTOMS"? It even sounds painful.

Everything right now is Black Lives Matter, and rightfully so. Biden is going to jeopardize his credibility in this regard by picking Warren, a white woman, over three black women? No way, Biden cannot be that stupid to not know the optics here would be catastrophic. There's also the age thing, two septugenarians on the same ticket? I think everyone would advise against it if there are viable alternatives, and there are. And that doesn't even mention the brouhaha that could erupt over Warren's Senate seat.

It's likely Harris, with Demings as a spoiler, but Lance-Bottoms, even if we can get past her name, is a little light on the resume and Warren is just in the right place at the wrong time.
 
2020-06-28 8:29:03 AM  

pkjun: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Well, "positioning", "optics", and also "a lifetime of different lived experiences that would give her different insights and perspectives on many systems, including some of those that have recently been conclusively proven to be broken in ways that surprised most of the white left-wing establishment but which the black community has unsuccessfully been trying to communicate to the democratic mainstream for decades now."


And ones for which Biden has demonstrated a bit of a tin ear.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for "optics" over reality, just acknowledging how much it matters in a campaign. All the other things you list will be immensely important after the election is won.
 
2020-06-28 8:33:04 AM  
Since Biden has one foot in the grave, maybe he'll go the Night Court route. When two of the old bailiffs died they cast a young, tough black woman who they know would last.
 
2020-06-28 8:59:22 AM  
Warren and Harris are out. He's going to go with someone the Trump campaign is guaranteed to have no oppo reasearch on.
 
2020-06-28 9:00:48 AM  
And the Daytime Emmy goes to Joe Biden's campaign for their performance in "Elizabeth Warren is on the short list".
 
2020-06-28 9:01:37 AM  

HugeMistake: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".


. . .or you know, representing the base of the Democratic party, that the ticket farking ignored in 2016.
 
2020-06-28 9:01:41 AM  

HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.


Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here
 
2020-06-28 9:02:19 AM  
We need good senators, and that's a good reason to pick someone outside of the Senate.
 
2020-06-28 9:02:47 AM  
He should announce his entire Cabinet at the same time
 
2020-06-28 9:03:28 AM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here


Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position
 
2020-06-28 9:06:40 AM  
I've been saying it's going to be Val for quite a while.
1 - Black
2 - Congress Experience
3 - ex police chief -  A nod to BLM
4 - potential to help Biden win Florida
5 - He will lose the black vote if he picks Warren
6 - Harris and Warren need to stay in the senate until they know they have a majority there,, then they can be offered a cabinet position
7 - Atlanta mayor not experienced enough,
 
2020-06-28 9:07:10 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I really hope he doesn't go with Biden-Bottoms 2020.


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2020-06-28 9:09:01 AM  
It will be Kamala Harris.  She's young, has major national name recognition, experience, and is ready to be President from the start if called upon to do so.  Also helps that her taking the position doesn't alter Senate party math.
 
2020-06-28 9:11:23 AM  

LovesToSpooge: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I really hope he doesn't go with Biden-Bottoms 2020.

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How can anyone go through life with such a silly monicker?  Really?
 
2020-06-28 9:11:34 AM  

qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here

Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position


Does Treasury have the same, or more oversight than Securities & Exchange?

If so I am all for it Warren is the obvious choice to clean up Wall Street.

I say the SEC because that is where FDR put Joseph Kennedy to fix things so 1929 wouldn't happen again
 
2020-06-28 9:11:55 AM  

HugeMistake: Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.


When she was running against Joe and Liz and Bernie? Absolutely.

Against Trump/ Pence? They can't say a thing without being exceptionally hypocritical. Which, naturally, doesn't rule it out...
 
2020-06-28 9:15:09 AM  
Did Stacey Abrams fall off the map or something?
 
2020-06-28 9:15:17 AM  
I'd love to see him tap Tammy Duckworth, but would be content with anyone competent.

Hell, I think Gretchen Whitmer would make a pretty good choice.
 
2020-06-28 9:15:19 AM  

Snapper Carr: It will be Kamala Harris.  She's young, has major national name recognition, experience, and is ready to be President from the start if called upon to do so.  Also helps that her taking the position doesn't alter Senate party math.


Having a running mate from a blue state does nothing for helping to win the number of votes needed in the electoral college. In fact, it could lose them.  Needs to be either GA or FL, and Florida is the key to the election
 
2020-06-28 9:16:48 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: I'd love to see him tap Tammy Duckworth, but would be content with anyone competent.

Hell, I think Gretchen Whitmer would make a pretty good choice.


Are we not doing phrasing anymore!?
 
2020-06-28 9:16:59 AM  
I like bottoms.
 
2020-06-28 9:17:05 AM  

stoli n coke: Warren and Harris are out. He's going to go with someone the Trump campaign is guaranteed to have no oppo reasearch on.


I'm pretty sure his oppo team has already determined these women are black. Soon, he'll hire some investigators to track down their birf certificates.
 
2020-06-28 9:17:06 AM  
I've only said five billion times, but Harris and Warren would be better at other jobs, Attorney General and Treasury Secretary, respectively.
 
2020-06-28 9:17:22 AM  
You can't have March Madness in June!
 
2020-06-28 9:17:34 AM  
Bottoms up!
 
2020-06-28 9:21:03 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: You can't have March Madness in June!


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2020-06-28 9:21:18 AM  

HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.


Warren and Harris desperately need to stay in the Senate.  We need every single seat in order to take the gavel from McConnell.    That said, Warren for Treasury would be in-freakin-credible.

I like Bottoms as well.   Solid experience, no real red flags.  Demings was a cop, and from her wiki entry, one of the status quo.  I don't think she would work considering the current situation will probably still be at the forefront in November.

I'm glad he's taking this seriously and not just picking the "ham sandwich" candidate because he feels the election is already in the bag.
 
2020-06-28 9:21:29 AM  

The Lone Gunman: I've only said five billion times, but Harris and Warren would be better at other jobs, Attorney General and Treasury Secretary, respectively.


yes then who though

Duckworth?
Abrams? I like Abrams myself
 
2020-06-28 9:22:05 AM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here

Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position

Does Treasury have the same, or more oversight than Securities & Exchange?

If so I am all for it Warren is the obvious choice to clean up Wall Street.

I say the SEC because that is where FDR put Joseph Kennedy to fix things so 1929 wouldn't happen again


Treasury would put Warren in charge of the IRS, which would be a lot more useful generally than a specific corporate securities oversight position where she would be but one member of a five-person committee.
 
2020-06-28 9:23:02 AM  

HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.


What ways do you believe her record as AG is going to translate into bad performance as VP/President, or in sinking the election?

I really don't believe it's the weight around her neck people like to think it is.
 
2020-06-28 9:23:46 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: I'd love to see him tap Tammy Duckworth,


Fark is not your personal erotica site.
 
2020-06-28 9:24:54 AM  
Warren is probably out of contention, like a lot of people I want her to be secretary of the treasury or in charge of the SEC. Lance-Bottoms is getting a bit of national spotlight from the protests, but I don't think she has enough (or really, any) experience on the national stage.

Demings might help deliver Florida and from some cursory research her district seems to be pretty safely blue house for now, but it is Florida after all. Harris is definitely a safe blue senate seat and has some name recognition (pro and con here, the republicans have probably cooked up some oppo research on her). The problem with that is both have law enforcement backgrounds which might leave a sour taste in some voters' mouths (good old purity tests, perfect is the enemy of good), I don't know enough to really comment on what they've done.
 
2020-06-28 9:25:34 AM  

Great_Milenko: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Warren and Harris desperately need to stay in the Senate.  We need every single seat in order to take the gavel from McConnell.    That said, Warren for Treasury would be in-freakin-credible.

I like Bottoms as well.   Solid experience, no real red flags.  Demings was a cop, and from her wiki entry, one of the status quo.  I don't think she would work considering the current situation will probably still be at the forefront in November.

I'm glad he's taking this seriously and not just picking the "ham sandwich" candidate because he feels the election is already in the bag.


With Harris, at least, there's no chance she'll be replaced by a Republican, and it could be a promotion for Eric Swalwell (or possibly Adam Schiff if he doesn't have designs on the Speakership).
 
2020-06-28 9:26:42 AM  
I like how Biden is such a shoe-in with black voters that he now has no option but to choose a black VP.

Hmm...
 
2020-06-28 9:26:45 AM  
I wanted Duckworth, to slap some reality on the pentagon/armed services
 
2020-06-28 9:26:48 AM  
how about Michelle Obama?
 
2020-06-28 9:27:15 AM  

qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here

Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position

Does Treasury have the same, or more oversight than Securities & Exchange?

If so I am all for it Warren is the obvious choice to clean up Wall Street.

I say the SEC because that is where FDR put Joseph Kennedy to fix things so 1929 wouldn't happen again

Treasury would put Warren in charge of the IRS, which would be a lot more useful generally than a specific corporate securities oversight position where she would be but one member of a five-person committee.


OK, that certainly makes sense

Warren & Harris come from safe seats don't they so pulling them out of the Senate should not be a problem
 
2020-06-28 9:28:09 AM  

Summoner101: how about Michelle Obama?


Her answer has always been "NO"
 
2020-06-28 9:29:16 AM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here

Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position

Does Treasury have the same, or more oversight than Securities & Exchange?

If so I am all for it Warren is the obvious choice to clean up Wall Street.

I say the SEC because that is where FDR put Joseph Kennedy to fix things so 1929 wouldn't happen again

Treasury would put Warren in charge of the IRS, which would be a lot more useful generally than a specific corporate securities oversight position where she would be but one member of a five-person committee.

OK, that certainly makes sense

Warren & Harris come from safe seats don't they so pulling them out of the Senate should not be a problem


They said that about the MA seat when Ted Kennedy died, too.
 
2020-06-28 9:29:30 AM  
I suspect it will be Val Demings and Biden will put her in charge of police reform.
 
2020-06-28 9:29:35 AM  

Summoner101: Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here

Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position

Does Treasury have the same, or more oversight than Securities & Exchange?

If so I am all for it Warren is the obvious choice to clean up Wall Street.

I say the SEC because that is where FDR put Joseph Kennedy to fix things so 1929 wouldn't happen again

Treasury would put Warren in charge of the IRS, which would be a lot more useful generally than a specific corporate securities oversight position where she would be but one member of a five-person committee.

OK, that certainly makes sense

Warren & Harris come from safe seats don't they so pulling them out of the Senate should not be a problem

They said that about the MA seat when Ted Kennedy died, too.


And MA has a GOP governor.
 
2020-06-28 9:31:23 AM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: qorkfiend: Cornelis de Gyselaer: HugeMistake: Not Warren. Wonderful as she is, I want her for Treasury. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: a lot of people are arguing for a black woman as the pick for reasons of "positioning" and "optics".

Kamala Harris' record as AG is problematic to put it politely.

The mayor of Atlanta seems like a good choice all around.

Aside with Warren at SEC I mostly agree here

Why pull her out of the Senate for anything less than a Cabinet position

Does Treasury have the same, or more oversight than Securities & Exchange?

If so I am all for it Warren is the obvious choice to clean up Wall Street.

I say the SEC because that is where FDR put Joseph Kennedy to fix things so 1929 wouldn't happen again

Treasury would put Warren in charge of the IRS, which would be a lot more useful generally than a specific corporate securities oversight position where she would be but one member of a five-person committee.

OK, that certainly makes sense

Warren & Harris come from safe seats don't they so pulling them out of the Senate should not be a problem

They said that about the MA seat when Ted Kennedy died, too.

And MA has a GOP governor.


With appointment powers right?

yeah maybe not
 
2020-06-28 9:32:50 AM  
I like Kamala Harris and believe she would be a good leader. I hope Biden picks her.
 
2020-06-28 9:34:51 AM  
With all due respect, chances of uncle Joe making it to the end of his first term without a major health scare are slim.

President Mayor of Atlanta whatshername doesn't instill confidence.

As others have expressed, Warren is needed as Sec Treasury like farking yesterday.

Kamala Harris may have some spin to doctor on her record as AG, but by God, President Kamala Harris DOES in fact have a mighty sound ring to it.
 
2020-06-28 9:36:03 AM  
Here are the Cabinet positions


Vice President of the United States

Department of State

Department of the Treasury

Department of Defense

Department of Justice

Department of the Interior

Department of Agriculture

Department of Commerce

Department of Labor

Department of Health and Human Services

Department of Housing and Urban Development

Department of Transportation

Department of Energy

Department of Education

Department of Veterans Affairs

Department of Homeland Security

White House Chief of Staff

Environmental Protection Agency

Office of Management & Budget

United States Trade Representative

United States Mission to the United Nations

Council of Economic Advisers

Small Business Administration
 
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