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(Reuters)   Airlines CEOs went to the White House to try to convince Trump to have mandatory temperature checks at airports. Good luck with that   (reuters.com) divider line
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1004 clicks; posted to Politics » on 28 Jun 2020 at 9:56 AM (5 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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5 days ago  
That's supposed to make me feel better about a return to jam-packed airplanes?

Or is that supposed to make airline lawyers feel better?
 
5 days ago  
Not gonna help very much for the asymptomatic spreaders and those getting symptoms later in the disease process.
 
5 days ago  
Thank heavens asymptomatic people can't spread it.  That would just make this pointless.
 
5 days ago  
Didn't Trump already claim this was being done?

Silly airline execs. Believing the real world evidence over the word of Donald Trump
 
5 days ago  
Temperature checks are useless.  Most carriers don't have fevers, and those that do have been contagious for days already.
 
5 days ago  

edmo: That's supposed to make me feel better about a return to jam-packed airplanes?

Or is that supposed to make airline lawyers feel better?


It is supposed to push the liability from the airlines onto somebody else.
 
5 days ago  
I thought airports all had central air anyway? What they need is to let in more UV light.
 
5 days ago  
Had to cancel a trip on United in March because of covid,-19 fears. Ended up getting a voucher that's valid for the next year but I doubt I'll be flying anytime in next year or two. Bottom line is they can go fark themselves for not giving me a refund.
 
5 days ago  

elminestrone: Had to cancel a trip on United in March because of covid,-19 fears. Ended up getting a voucher that's valid for the next year but I doubt I'll be flying anytime in next year or two. Bottom line is they can go fark themselves for not giving me a refund.


Had to cancel my honeymoon trip to the UK which would have happened the end of May. Requested a refund. Virgin is still sitting on my money and removed their system that allows customers to see the status of their refund requests.

Charge back it is.
 
5 days ago  
Same philosophy as airport security: Use a scanner that catches only the really obvious ones, while the determined ones have no problem sailing through.
 
5 days ago  

Summoner101: Not gonna help very much for the asymptomatic spreaders and those getting symptoms later in the disease process.


You can easily bypass the temperature check with an over the counter fever reducing medication like extra strength tylenol. Pointless.
 
5 days ago  

BFletch651: Temperature checks are useless.  Most carriers don't have fevers, and those that do have been contagious for days already.


Let's ask WWE how good ithat works.  Despite orders from WWE executives not to report they have gotten a positive COVID-19 result 4 have publicly announced they have it.  Rumors are more than 2 dozen wrestlers have it.  Before this week they only 'tested' for COVID by temperature.  The people who announced they had it got the test from an ER or their doctor.
 
5 days ago  
Why do they have to convince Trump? Isn't there an agency that decides this stuff?
 
5 days ago  
Fark these airlines. They can do it themselves, at both check-in counters and at the gates. They just want to foist this off on TSA, so fark them. You make me do this shiat and I'll let anyone/everyone through regardless.
 
5 days ago  
Done by the TSA? 

They'll either be rectal or radio-active.
 
5 days ago  
Ya, no way I'm booking anything for the next year or so. Don't even want to deal with cancellations, refunds, or you know, spreading a virus.
 
5 days ago  
Refund the TSA.
 
5 days ago  
Pretty much every major US carrier is now filling their flights to capacity again. I'm sure this measure that is marginally effective will eliminate the risk of packing as many people as close together in an airplane for long durations if time.

I have to fly to the UK and do the 14 day quarantine when I get there in a few weeks for work...seriously considering quitting rather than doing that
 
5 days ago  
Temperature checks aren't useless. There are still idiots who will travel while actively sick. Preventing that would be good.

However, there is a problem with providing a false sense of safety. As many have pointed out, there are asymptomatic spreaders. If anyone was dumb enough to think that doing temperature checks made things "safe", that would indeed be bad. And plenty of people are that dumb.
 
5 days ago  

NeoCortex42: Thank heavens asymptomatic people can't spread it.  That would just make this pointless.


They can, but it rarely happens.
 
5 days ago  

neaorin: NeoCortex42: Thank heavens asymptomatic people can't spread it.  That would just make this pointless.

They can, but it rarely happens.


didn't they walk that back already?
 
5 days ago  
FTA: "Nobody wants to be the person that tells a flying, paying customer they can't fly that day," United Executive Chairman Oscar Munoz said during a video conference Thursday."

Karens and Kens won't even wear a mask in a goddamn grocery store.

Good luck with that.
 
5 days ago  

neaorin: NeoCortex42: Thank heavens asymptomatic people can't spread it.  That would just make this pointless.

They can, but it rarely happens.


No, that's wrong. WHO immediately restated those opinions:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/w​h​o-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-1​9/
 
5 days ago  
Temperature checks unfairly discriminate against menopausal women having hot flashes and Adderall-Americans.
 
5 days ago  
God forbid the TSA actually serve a farking function.
 
5 days ago  

WrongTrousers: FTA: "Nobody wants to be the person that tells a flying, paying customer they can't fly that day," United Executive Chairman Oscar Munoz said during a video conference Thursday."

Karens and Kens won't even wear a mask in a goddamn grocery store.

Good luck with that.


The proper translation is

"Nobody wants to be the person that has to refund perfectly good profit, out of a moral obligation to not kill people"
 
5 days ago  
Checking temperatures doesn't prove anything. Some people have a normal body temperature that's close to a full degree (F) below "normal". They could have a moderate fever and still read below 100.0.
 
5 days ago  

ghall3: Pretty much every major US carrier is now filling their flights to capacity again. I'm sure this measure that is marginally effective will eliminate the risk of packing as many people as close together in an airplane for long durations if time.

I have to fly to the UK and do the 14 day quarantine when I get there in a few weeks for work...seriously considering quitting rather than doing that


Why quit? It sounds like a great deal. You get to go somewhere safer than where you're at and you get to sit in a hotel room eating room service for two weeks.

Maybe quit after the two weeks and apply for asylum.
 
5 days ago  
FTFA:  U.S. officials said temperature checks would not eliminate coronavirus risks but could deter unwell people from traveling.

In reality, temperature checking is useless as asymptomatic carries still hover around 50% of those infected. As long as these jackasses are focused on money more than life itself, many more people will get sick and die. We won't have a second wave because we won't get beyond the initial wave.
 
5 days ago  

WrongTrousers: FTA: "Nobody wants to be the person that tells a flying, paying customer they can't fly that day," United Executive Chairman Oscar Munoz said during a video conference Thursday."

Karens and Kens won't even wear a mask in a goddamn grocery store.

Good luck with that.


Why don't they just refund the ticket? Why don't they make it so people can't buy the ticket until after the temperature check? Why are they talking about temperature when, so far, the majority of severe cases that needed to be hospitalized did not include fever?
 
5 days ago  

ImpendingCynic: Checking temperatures doesn't prove anything. Some people have a normal body temperature that's close to a full degree (F) below "normal". They could have a moderate fever and still read below 100.0.


Indeed. As with ALL of our precautionary measures

its to be only one in an entire arsenal.

And the more of the arsenal we use, the better our defense will be.
 
5 days ago  

macadamnut: I thought airports all had central air anyway? What they need is to let in more UV light.


put UV in your butt. put bleach in your butt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07P53​8​K83iU
 
5 days ago  
I wonder if they are hoping this will help appease the EU member states, and that they will not include US travelers in those banned when borders reopen on Wednesday.
 
5 days ago  

Bennie Crabtree: Why do they have to convince Trump? Isn't there an agency that decides this stuff?


Having Trump announce this kind of stuff means that A) it never gets done and B) 35 percent of control will now believe Covid has been defeated at the airport
 
5 days ago  
But you forget, this President wants LESS, because the MORE you test, the higher the numbers are going to go.

He's doing what he always does. He's burying his head in the sand as to not have to face the grim reality
 
5 days ago  

DoctorCal: I wonder if they are hoping this will help appease the EU member states, and that they will not include US travelers in those banned when borders reopen on Wednesday.


That's not happening. Get ready to be treated like lepers.
 
5 days ago  

Bennie Crabtree: Why don't they just refund the ticket?


Rule #1 or running an airline: Once you have their money, you never give it back.

Why don't they make it so people can't buy the ticket until after the temperature check?

Because then you can't have outrageously complex pricing algorithms that ensure no two people on the same plane paid the same price for their tickets.

If airlines sold paint:

Customer: Hi, how much is your paint?
Clerk: Well, sir, that all depends.
Customer: Depends on what?
Clerk: Actually, a lot of things.
Customer: How about giving me an average price?
Clerk: Wow, that's too hard a question. The lowest price is $9 a gallon, and we have 150 different prices up to $200 a gallon.
Customer: What's the difference in the paint?
Clerk: Oh, there isn't any difference; it's all the same paint.
Customer: Well, then, I'd like some of that $9 paint.
Clerk: Well, first I need to ask you a few questions. When do you intend to use it?
Customer: I want to paint tomorrow, on my day off.
Clerk: Sir, the paint for tomorrow is the $200 paint.
Customer: What? When would I have to paint in order to get the $9 version?
Clerk: That would be in three weeks, but you will also have to agree to start painting before Friday of that week and continue painting until at least Sunday.
Customer: You've got to be kidding!
Clerk: Sir, we don't kid around here. Of course, I'll have to check to see if we have any of that paint available before I can sell it to you.
Customer: What do you mean check to see if you can sell it to me? You have shelves full of that stuff; I can see it right there.
Clerk: Just because you can see it doesn't mean that we have it. It may be the same paint, but we sell only a certain number of gallons on any given weekend. Oh, and by the way, the price just went to $12.
Customer: You mean the price went up while we were talking!
Clerk: Yes, sir. You see, we change prices and rules thousands of times a day, and since you haven't actually walked out of the store with your paint yet, we just decided to change. Unless you want the same thing to happen again, I would suggest that you get on with your purchase. How many gallons do you want?
Customer: I don't know exactly. Maybe five gallons. Maybe I should buy six gallons just to make sure I have enough.
Clerk: Oh, no, sir, you can't do that. If you buy the paint and then don't use it, you will be liable for penalties and possible confiscation of the paint you already have.
Customer: What?
Clerk: That's right. We can sell you enough paint to do your kitchen, bathroom, hall and north bedroom, but if you stop painting before you do the bedroom, you will be in violation of our tariffs.
Customer: But what does it matter to you whether I use all the paint? I already paid you for it!
Clerk: Sir, there's no point in getting upset; that's just the way it is. We make plans based upon the idea that you will use all the paint, and when you don't, it just causes us all sorts of problems.
Customer: This is crazy! I suppose something terrible will happen if I don't keep painting until after Saturday night!
Clerk: Yes, sir, it will.
Customer: Well, that does it! I'm going somewhere else to buy my paint.
Clerk: That won't do you any good, sir. We all have the same rules. Thanks for flying--I mean painting--with our airline.
 
5 days ago  

TuckFrump: But you forget, this President wants LESS, because the MORE you test, the higher the numbers are going to go.

He's doing what he always does. He's burying his head in the sand as to not have to face the grim reality


The grim reality, puts money in his pocket.

When Putin comes to collect the debts, Trump's body count earns a discount.
 
5 days ago  

TSA agent: Fark these airlines. They can do it themselves, at both check-in counters and at the gates. They just want to foist this off on TSA, so fark them. You make me do this shiat and I'll let anyone/everyone through regardless.


So, no change in your behavior?

(Sorry, couldn't resist :)
 
5 days ago  
Goddamn, who the hell is getting on an airplane? I'm not expecting to fly anywhere for the next year or two.
 
5 days ago  
Well since the TSA security theater act is meant to appear thorough (it's not) in order to make travelers think flights are safe (they're not) then this would just be one more charade to play to make travelers think their safety is first (it's not).
 
5 days ago  

ImpendingCynic: Checking temperatures doesn't prove anything. Some people have a normal body temperature that's close to a full degree (F) below "normal". They could have a moderate fever and still read below 100.0.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.  This, that, and t'other.  Blah blah.  You know what?  I want them to test temperatures.  Because I want them to keep the obvious ones from getting on the plane, and then there's much less chance of transmission with the ones that get through.

I like the way they've done things in South Korea and Taiwan and Singapore, and it has involved masks on everyone and pointing temperature guns at everyone.

Not that I'll be flying ever again, probably.
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: Bennie Crabtree: Why don't they just refund the ticket?

Rule #1 or running an airline: Once you have their money, you never give it back.

Why don't they make it so people can't buy the ticket until after the temperature check?

Because then you can't have outrageously complex pricing algorithms that ensure no two people on the same plane paid the same price for their tickets.

If airlines sold paint:

Customer: Hi, how much is your paint?
Clerk: Well, sir, that all depends.
Customer: Depends on what?
Clerk: Actually, a lot of things.
Customer: How about giving me an average price?
Clerk: Wow, that's too hard a question. The lowest price is $9 a gallon, and we have 150 different prices up to $200 a gallon.
Customer: What's the difference in the paint?
Clerk: Oh, there isn't any difference; it's all the same paint.
Customer: Well, then, I'd like some of that $9 paint.
Clerk: Well, first I need to ask you a few questions. When do you intend to use it?
Customer: I want to paint tomorrow, on my day off.
Clerk: Sir, the paint for tomorrow is the $200 paint.
Customer: What? When would I have to paint in order to get the $9 version?
Clerk: That would be in three weeks, but you will also have to agree to start painting before Friday of that week and continue painting until at least Sunday.
Customer: You've got to be kidding!
Clerk: Sir, we don't kid around here. Of course, I'll have to check to see if we have any of that paint available before I can sell it to you.
Customer: What do you mean check to see if you can sell it to me? You have shelves full of that stuff; I can see it right there.
Clerk: Just because you can see it doesn't mean that we have it. It may be the same paint, but we sell only a certain number of gallons on any given weekend. Oh, and by the way, the price just went to $12.
Customer: You mean the price went up while we were talking!
Clerk: Yes, sir. You see, we change prices and rules thousands of times a day, and since you haven't actually walked out o ...


Congratulations sir.. I have never seen a more accurate description of the airline pricing model! Amazing!! I'm saving this one.

/Very Frequent Flyer.. just not right now.
 
5 days ago  
Whenever the CEO's of big corporations in the same industry band together to go to the White and ask for regulations to be put in place, there just may actually be a problem that needs govt for a solution.
 
5 days ago  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Same philosophy as airport security: Use a scanner that catches only the really obvious ones, while the determined ones have no problem sailing through.


A measure that can be counteracted by 2 Tylenols.
 
5 days ago  
So I work for an airline out of my local airport. The airport lease holder recently put in place mandatory temperature screenings to access the air operations area (AOA). There are two manned checkpoints for employees. One in the headhouse and one in the hangar. My airline has been doing this sporadically since early March but now it's mandated by the lease holder so every airline has to do it. That's the setup for two quick CSBs:

1) Back in March I had to take my car for state inspection and took a cab to the airport from the shop. To avoid paying the ridiculous airport drop off surcharge I put in an intersection two blocks away and walked it in. Two blocks in this situation is about a mile and a half in terms of distance. It was a cold day too so I was pretty cold to the touch when I got to the airport. So I go in the rough the hangar door and the trained primate does the temperature scan. He was using an infrared thermometer that needs to be pressed against the forehead to get as accurate a reading as it can. The dummy pointed it some from a foot away and said my temperature was 94 degrees, but because it's a little cold out it's ok. I told him that if my body temp was really 94 I would need to be in a hospital as I'd be in the midst of hypothermia. He looked at me like I had three heads. These idiots doing the screenings are stupid and have no idea what they're doing. Letting the airlines or the TSA do this is pointless because they're going to do it wrong anyway.

2) Now that the screenings are mandatory, I avoid them at all costs because they're also doing them along with a regular security screening. I refuse to wait in line every time I need to go to the air side so I enter from a different door that isn't screened.  My office is on the land side and I can reach it without going through security. I can then walk about 50yds to the west to swipe through a door I have access and get past the screening checkpoint. It requires a little more walking but who cares? Security screenings are a joke. It's all theater to make everyone feel better but they don't do squat.
 
5 days ago  

wademh: Temperature checks aren't useless. There are still idiots who will travel while actively sick. Preventing that would be good.

However, there is a problem with providing a false sense of safety. As many have pointed out, there are asymptomatic spreaders. If anyone was dumb enough to think that doing temperature checks made things "safe", that would indeed be bad. And plenty of people are that dumb.


Airports doing security theater‽  The HELL you say!
 
5 days ago  

quo vadimus: TSA agent: Fark these airlines. They can do it themselves, at both check-in counters and at the gates. They just want to foist this off on TSA, so fark them. You make me do this shiat and I'll let anyone/everyone through regardless.

So, no change in your behavior?

(Sorry, couldn't resist :)


I am sure he'll still harass pregnant women and old people in wheel chairs. Oh and the blacks and anyone vaguely middle eastern including Indians.  Can expect him to know the difference?
 
5 days ago  
Why we can't have nice things:

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5 days ago  
Will temperature screening catch 100% of the disease vectors that are traveling, hardly. In fact my swag is that it will catch probably less than 50%. Will it have a very high false positive rate, probably not that high.

The question that is not addressed is how intrusive is a temperature screening. When one of the previous pandemics was hitting several countries in Asia (I don't recall if it was H1N1 or SARS, I was still traveling to and from Taiwan and Japan regularly. Taiwan's airport in particular had all arrivals pass through a corridor where thermal imaging cameras identified people with abnormal temperatures (kind of) and if a passenger tripped the system you were asked to step to one side where a more accurate temperature was taken. Did this get 100% of the people with fevers- hardly. However, as one government official from the MOEA explained to me it caught maybe a few and that was considered to be helpful to the control. Their philosophy went along the lines of every little bit helped. Was it perfect-no. They even acknowledged that but.

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