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2020-06-27 9:19:56 PM  
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2020-06-27 9:45:33 PM  
brutal
 
2020-06-27 9:49:20 PM  
It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates
 
2020-06-27 9:57:25 PM  

Gubbo: It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates


I really think a lot of these groups, Lincoln Project especially, are just die hard conservatives that realize there is nothing conservative about the GOP today.  We might see another shift like we did from the Whigs to Republicans, but what it'll really be is a watered down (more centrist) Libertarian party.

Same assholes, different hats.
 
2020-06-27 10:01:33 PM  

ShavedOrangutan: Gubbo: It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates

I really think a lot of these groups, Lincoln Project especially, are just die hard conservatives that realize there is nothing conservative about the GOP today.  We might see another shift like we did from the Whigs to Republicans, but what it'll really be is a watered down (more centrist) Libertarian party.

Same assholes, different hats.


They want to go back to the W days of essentially the same policies but with a prettier facade.
 
2020-06-28 1:22:24 AM  

Gubbo: Wonder can they keep it up.


Not for lack of content.
 
2020-06-28 3:40:05 AM  

ShavedOrangutan: Gubbo: It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates

I really think a lot of these groups, Lincoln Project especially, are just die hard conservatives that realize there is nothing conservative about the GOP today.  We might see another shift like we did from the Whigs to Republicans, but what it'll really be is a watered down (more centrist) Libertarian party.

Same assholes, different hats.


This would be okay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F​ree_Dem​ocratic_Party_(Germany)

"The FDP is described as liberal,[3][4] classical-liberal,[5][6][28] and conservative-liberal.[29][30​]

The FDP is a predominantly classical-liberal party, both in the sense of supporting laissez-faire and free market economic policies and in the sense of supporting liberal democracy and socially liberal policies emphasizing the minimization of government interference in individual affairs.[6][7][5][31][32][​33] Scholars of political science identify the FDP as closer to the CDU/CSU bloc than to the Social Democratic Party (SPD) on economic issues but closer to the SPD and the Greens on issues such as civil liberties, education, defense, and foreign policy.[34]

During the 2017 federal election, the party called for Germany to adopt an immigration channel using a Canada-style points-based immigration system; spend up to 3% of GDP on defense and international security; phase out the solidarity surcharge tax (which was first levied in 1991 to pay for the costs of absorbing East Germany after German reunification); cut taxes by 30 billion euro (twice the amount of the tax cut proposed by the CDU); and improve road infrastructure by spending 2 billion euro annually for each of the next two decades, to be funded by selling government stakes in Deutsche Bahn, Deutsche Telekom, and Deutsche Post.[35] The FDP also called for the improvement of Germany's digital infrastructure, the establishment of a Ministry of Digital Affairs, and greater investment in education.[31] The party also supports allowing dual citizenship (in contrast to the CDU-CSU, which opposes it) but also supports requiring third-generation immigrants to select a single nationality.[31]

The FDP supports the legalization of cannabis in Germany[36][37] and strongly opposes proposals to heighten Internet surveillance.[34]

The FDP supports same-sex marriage in Germany.[38]

The FDP is a pro-European party, favoring greater European integration.[39][40] In its 2009 campaign manifesto, the FDP pledged support for ratification of the Lisbon Treaty as well as EU reforms aimed at enhancing transparency and democratic responsiveness, reducing bureaucracy, establishing stringent curbs on the EU budget, and fully liberalizing the Single Market.[41] At its January 2019 congress ahead of the 2019 European Parliament election, FDP's manifesto called for further EU reforms, including reducing the number of European Commissioners to 18 from the current 28, abolishing the European Economic and Social Committee, and ending the European Parliament's "traveling circus" between Brussels and Strasbourg.[42] Vice chairwoman and Deputy Leader Nicola Beer stated "We want both more and less Europe."[42]


Anti-isolationist libertarians, basically.
 
2020-06-28 5:00:55 AM  
Take a minute and read Rick Wilson's "Everything Trump Touches Does" for a better understanding of where the Lincoln Project stands and comes from.
 
2020-06-28 6:12:28 AM  
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

I'm not American, so take this for what it's worth.

As a "liberal" I've felt that those of us on the left can't show our teeth, as it were, because it's not who we are or should be.

That being said, liberals too often bring knives to gunfights. These Lincoln Project guys are perfect.

For the Deep Space Nine fans: The Lincoln Project is to Dems as Garak was to Sisko in "In the Pale Moonlight"

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2020-06-28 6:12:41 AM  
Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.   But no, they are backing Biden, I guess.   So were they ever backing Sanders or anyone else, or simply attacking Il Douche?
 
2020-06-28 6:14:03 AM  
Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?
 
2020-06-28 6:16:10 AM  
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2020-06-28 6:17:48 AM  
Part of me wonders if this whole story isn't some ratfarkery cooked up by Bill Barr or someone of his ilk. Something about it doesn't make sense.

Then again, neither does the Trump Administration, so... never mind.
 
2020-06-28 6:18:03 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.


Because unlike Bill Weld, Joe Biden has a realistic chance of defeating Donald Trump.
 
2020-06-28 6:19:47 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.   But no, they are backing Biden, I guess.   So were they ever backing Sanders or anyone else, or simply attacking Il Douche?


They don't want a repeat of roosevelt v taft v Wilson
 
2020-06-28 6:20:26 AM  

Khanivor: Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?


It's a stretch to call this 'the truth.' It's at best a non sequitur.

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) ??????
3) Trump can't defend America.

It's probably important to note that only 9 US service members have died in Afghanistan this year and none since March. I know people like to get all hyped up and find reasons to trash the hated president, but we need to keep some perspective here. Even if Putin were paying out these bounties, what is the 'right' response? Starting a shooting war with Russia? More sanctions? A mean look at a G8 summit?
 
2020-06-28 6:20:59 AM  
Make no mistake.  The Lincoln project, while helpful is full of people who don't disagree with the policies of the Trump administration...they just don't like coming face to face with who they really are.  They don't like it when their dog whistles give way to "locker room talk" out in full view of the public.

They want power at all costs.  They don't care who they hurt in getting it.  The only reason they're "helping" right now is that they know Trump is going to hand them a complete blowout loss in November, and they want to keep hold on some measure of power.

Short version:  "The useful idiot is no longer useful"
 
2020-06-28 6:21:28 AM  
Am I the only one to think this whole affair sounds like the premise of a poorly-conceived Metal Gear Solid 5 expansion pack?
 
2020-06-28 6:23:48 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.   But no, they are backing Biden, I guess.   So were they ever backing Sanders or anyone else, or simply attacking Il Douche?


Their mission is mainly anti-Trump, but:
1) IIRC Weld has already dropped out of the race.
2) Even if he hasn't, he has no chance of winning so they're backing the only guy with the ability to beat Trump.
 
2020-06-28 6:24:01 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.   But no, they are backing Biden, I guess.   So were they ever backing Sanders or anyone else, or simply attacking Il Douche?


Because he dropped out months ago?
 
2020-06-28 6:28:15 AM  

Shaggy_C: Khanivor: Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?

It's a stretch to call this 'the truth.' It's at best a non sequitur.

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) ??????
3) Trump can't defend America.

It's probably important to note that only 9 US service members have died in Afghanistan this year and none since March. I know people like to get all hyped up and find reasons to trash the hated president, but we need to keep some perspective here. Even if Putin were paying out these bounties, what is the 'right' response? Starting a shooting war with Russia? More sanctions? A mean look at a G8 summit?


Let us help you out just a tiny, tiny bit, since you seem to obviously be missing the obvious:

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide.  Concerning the bounties, he says nothing for months, implying either a) he's not listening to his intel agencies, or b) he listens but decides not to defend US troops under fire.
3) Trump can't defend America.
 
2020-06-28 6:30:34 AM  

GypsyJoker: Part of me wonders if this whole story isn't some ratfarkery cooked up by Bill Barr or someone of his ilk. Something about it doesn't make sense.

Then again, neither does the Trump Administration, so... never mind.


The Trumpers aren't disputing the intelligence, but that Trump had been briefed on it; which, if he hadn't, would still be an indictment of his administration, with the obvious attack being that they were afraid to tell him his pal Putin was murdering US soldiers.
 
2020-06-28 6:32:02 AM  

Shaggy_C: Khanivor: Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?

It's a stretch to call this 'the truth.' It's at best a non sequitur.

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) ??????
3) Trump can't defend America.

It's probably important to note that only 9 US service members have died in Afghanistan this year and none since March. I know people like to get all hyped up and find reasons to trash the hated president, but we need to keep some perspective here. Even if Putin were paying out these bounties, what is the 'right' response? Starting a shooting war with Russia? More sanctions? A mean look at a G8 summit?


Let's put it this way.  Trump could have done ANYTHING.  ANYTHING AT ALL.  He did nothing and he said nothing.  And you defend him not doing anything at all when a known enemy is putting bounties on American soldiers heads.  *SPIT*
 
2020-06-28 6:33:21 AM  

A Cave Geek: Make no mistake.  The Lincoln project, while helpful is full of people who don't disagree with the policies of the Trump administration...they just don't like coming face to face with who they really are.  They don't like it when their dog whistles give way to "locker room talk" out in full view of the public.

They want power at all costs.  They don't care who they hurt in getting it.  The only reason they're "helping" right now is that they know Trump is going to hand them a complete blowout loss in November, and they want to keep hold on some measure of power.

Short version:  "The useful idiot is no longer useful"


I disagree     The Lincoln project is more about how off the rails the Republican Party has gone with this pos in charge.   How this is no longer the Republican Party but the trump party and how everyone loses with it in charge
 
2020-06-28 6:34:50 AM  

A Cave Geek: They want power at all costs. They don't care who they hurt in getting it. The only reason they're "helping" right now is that they know Trump is going to hand them a complete blowout loss in November, and they want to keep hold on some measure of power.


This was the only reason the Republicans turned on Nixon. They knew that the drag on public opinion might put them out of power for a generation, so they forced him out and effectively accepted that the Democrats would get a temporary boost. And, even then, the 1976 election was only a 50%-48% showing for Carter. They almost pulled it off - killing off a presidency and keeping the party in power.

If Trump goes down by 20 in the polls, perhaps we'll see the same happen here. But, this close to the election, I doubt it. It's too late for them. They've picked their horse and they need to ride it.
 
2020-06-28 6:35:32 AM  

Shaggy_C: what is the 'right' response?


Whatever it is, it's not a shrug and a 'whatever' kind of response.
 
2020-06-28 6:38:14 AM  

Shaggy_C: Khanivor: Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?

It's a stretch to call this 'the truth.' It's at best a non sequitur.

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) ??????
3) Trump can't defend America.

It's probably important to note that only 9 US service members have died in Afghanistan this year and none since March. I know people like to get all hyped up and find reasons to trash the hated president, but we need to keep some perspective here. Even if Putin were paying out these bounties, what is the 'right' response? Starting a shooting war with Russia? More sanctions? A mean look at a G8 summit?


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2020-06-28 6:38:42 AM  
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2020-06-28 6:40:24 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: 1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide. Concerning the bounties, he says nothing for months, implying either a) he's not listening to his intel agencies, or b) he listens but decides not to defend US troops under fire.
3) Trump can't defend America.


Hey look, another non-sequitur and half-truth.

And the story says that Trump found out about the bounties in March. Perhaps not coincidentally, no US troops have died in Afghanistan since March. Just because the administration isn't make a huge deal about this in the press doesn't mean they're not doing anything about it.
 
2020-06-28 6:40:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: Khanivor: Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?

It's a stretch to call this 'the truth.' It's at best a non sequitur.

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) ??????
3) Trump can't defend America.

It's probably important to note that only 9 US service members have died in Afghanistan this year and none since March. I know people like to get all hyped up and find reasons to trash the hated president, but we need to keep some perspective here. Even if Putin were paying out these bounties, what is the 'right' response? Starting a shooting war with Russia? More sanctions? A mean look at a G8 summit?


Hearings in the House as to why nothing has been done by the executive to address the paid murder of US troops by Putin would be a damn good start.
 
2020-06-28 6:43:03 AM  

Shaggy_C: Khanivor: Isn't it ironic that these guys will make ads devastating to Trump by telling the truth about him while they made adverts that caused great harm to Democrats by telling whipping great big lies?

It's a stretch to call this 'the truth.' It's at best a non sequitur.

1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) ??????
3) Trump can't defend America.

It's probably important to note that only 9 US service members have died in Afghanistan this year and none since March. I know people like to get all hyped up and find reasons to trash the hated president, but we need to keep some perspective here. Even if Putin were paying out these bounties, what is the 'right' response? Starting a shooting war with Russia? More sanctions? A mean look at a G8 summit?


4 Americans died at Benghazi. How much perspective did Fox News have for years afterwards?
 
2020-06-28 6:43:04 AM  

Gubbo: ShavedOrangutan: Gubbo: It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates

I really think a lot of these groups, Lincoln Project especially, are just die hard conservatives that realize there is nothing conservative about the GOP today.  We might see another shift like we did from the Whigs to Republicans, but what it'll really be is a watered down (more centrist) Libertarian party.

Same assholes, different hats.

They want to go back to the W days of essentially the same policies but with a prettier facade.


Lipstick Orange makeup on a pig
 
2020-06-28 6:44:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: LeoffDaGrate: 1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide. Concerning the bounties, he says nothing for months, implying either a) he's not listening to his intel agencies, or b) he listens but decides not to defend US troops under fire.
3) Trump can't defend America.

Hey look, another non-sequitur and half-truth.

And the story says that Trump found out about the bounties in March. Perhaps not coincidentally, no US troops have died in Afghanistan since March. Just because the administration isn't make a huge deal about this in the press doesn't mean they're not doing anything about it.


No.  What he said is true.  We know it is true now because of intelligence reports.  Stop lying to cover for farkface von Clownstick.
 
2020-06-28 6:46:14 AM  

thanksagainandagain: Hearings in the House as to why nothing has been done by the executive to address the paid murder of US troops by Putin would be a damn good start.


Agreed, an investigation is a good place to start. Perhaps they can first start by investigating if any bounties were even paid, since right now there are just anonymous allegations.
 
2020-06-28 6:46:30 AM  
Everyone knows Lincoln Project will start doing this kind of thing about Bden and prominent House & Senate Ds come 2021, but, everyone also knows right now there is no bigger priority than handing Trump an ass-whooping that makes Reagan over Mondale look like a 68-yard field goal as overtime expires.
 
2020-06-28 6:49:44 AM  

Shaggy_C: LeoffDaGrate: 1) Russians offered ransoms for killing US personnel.
2) Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide. Concerning the bounties, he says nothing for months, implying either a) he's not listening to his intel agencies, or b) he listens but decides not to defend US troops under fire.
3) Trump can't defend America.

Hey look, another non-sequitur and half-truth.

And the story says that Trump found out about the bounties in March. Perhaps not coincidentally, no US troops have died in Afghanistan since March. Just because the administration isn't make a huge deal about this in the press doesn't mean they're not doing anything about it.


That's right. It doesn't mean they're not reassuring Putin that all is well. I'm sure they are doing just that -- kissing the ass of a Trump pal who funds the murder of US troops.

Wanna try a cogent spin at some point? Maybe there isn't one that's favorable for Trump for a reason.
 
2020-06-28 6:52:28 AM  

Shaggy_C: thanksagainandagain: Hearings in the House as to why nothing has been done by the executive to address the paid murder of US troops by Putin would be a damn good start.

Agreed, an investigation is a good place to start. Perhaps they can first start by investigating if any bounties were even paid, since right now there are just anonymous allegations.


How much cooperation do you honestly think the Trump admin would offer, though? Seems kinda credulous to think any, given their track record.
 
2020-06-28 6:54:17 AM  

uh...nobody: No. What he said is true.


I was referring to the "Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide" comment. Here's a short list of the Administrations actions against Russia just from last year...

Dec 5
Sanctions - In response to $100 million bank hacking scheme

Sep 30
Sanctions - In response to 2018 election interference attempt

Sep 26
Sanctions - In response to sanctions-evading scheme for Syria

Aug 2
Sanctions - In response to Salisbury attack

May 16
Sanctions - In response to human rights abuses

May 1
Statement - On democracy in Venezuela, President Trump denounced Russia's continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Apr 24
Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty, the U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.


Mar 15
Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

Mar 14
Statement - In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
Mar 11

Sanctions - In response to dealings with Venezuela
Mar 4

Notice - Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine

Feb 27
Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

Feb 1
Statement - Withdrawing from the INF Treat due to Russian non-compliance
 
2020-06-28 6:58:18 AM  
Gee, I guess it's ok then.  Asshole.
 
2020-06-28 7:01:19 AM  

Shaggy_C: uh...nobody: No. What he said is true.

I was referring to the "Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide" comment. Here's a short list of the Administrations actions against Russia just from last year...

Dec 5
Sanctions - In response to $100 million bank hacking scheme

Sep 30
Sanctions - In response to 2018 election interference attempt

Sep 26
Sanctions - In response to sanctions-evading scheme for Syria

Aug 2
Sanctions - In response to Salisbury attack

May 16
Sanctions - In response to human rights abuses

May 1
Statement - On democracy in Venezuela, President Trump denounced Russia's continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Apr 24
Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty, the U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.


Mar 15
Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

Mar 14
Statement - In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
Mar 11

Sanctions - In response to dealings with Venezuela
Mar 4

Notice - Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine

Feb 27
Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

Feb 1
Statement - Withdrawing from the INF Treat due to Russian non-compliance


Any proof the sanctions have actually taken effect? Any tangible evidence of anything punitive? Sorry, it's just hard to take the Trump admin at its word since they, you know, lie. A lot.

As for condemnation from Pompeo, booga booga. Meaningless natter from an old Tea Party fart who got razed by a reporter when he lied about her.
 
2020-06-28 7:03:48 AM  
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2020-06-28 7:05:12 AM  

ShavedOrangutan: Gubbo: It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates

I really think a lot of these groups, Lincoln Project especially, are just die hard conservatives that realize there is nothing conservative about the GOP today.  We might see another shift like we did from the Whigs to Republicans, but what it'll really be is a watered down (more centrist) Libertarian party.

Same assholes, different hats.


I'm not just a liberal, but I'm a "libby lib," but I don't really have a problem with conservatives per se.  I love P.J O'Rourke.  Hell, I even voted for George Bush Sr. (once).

There's nothing wrong with a loyal opposition party.  I don't like high taxes either.

But now the GOP has transformed into the Party of Bad Governemnt.  We really don't care, we're just going to say fark you to everything the Democrats what, even if it's good for the country.  We don't care if it's good for the country, but if it's a positive put forward by the Dems, we're against it.

Basically it's Pauli in Goodfellas.  fark you, pay me.
 
2020-06-28 7:08:19 AM  

thanksagainandagain: Any proof the sanctions have actually taken effect? Any tangible evidence of anything punitive? Sorry, it's just hard to take the Trump admin at its word since they, you know, lie. A lot.


Those are all sanctions under the Magnitsky Act (AFAIK), so I don't think there's much they can do to water them down once they are announced. They effectively blackball certain Russian assets from doing business with anyone else in the world if those 3rd parties want to work with the United States.
 
2020-06-28 7:09:37 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: ShavedOrangutan: Gubbo: It's quite an effective group for creating a permission structure to Republicans to not vote Trump.

Wonder can they keep it up.

And wonder will they change their tune when they start getting hired by other GOP candidates

I really think a lot of these groups, Lincoln Project especially, are just die hard conservatives that realize there is nothing conservative about the GOP today.  We might see another shift like we did from the Whigs to Republicans, but what it'll really be is a watered down (more centrist) Libertarian party.

Same assholes, different hats.

This would be okay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr​ee_Democratic_Party_(Germany)

"The FDP is described as liberal,[3][4] classical-liberal,[5][6][28] and conservative-liberal.[29][30]

The FDP is a predominantly classical-liberal party, both in the sense of supporting laissez-faire and free market economic policies and in the sense of supporting liberal democracy and socially liberal policies emphasizing the minimization of government interference in individual affairs.[6][7][5][31][32][33] Scholars of political science identify the FDP as closer to the CDU/CSU bloc than to the Social Democratic Party (SPD) on economic issues but closer to the SPD and the Greens on issues such as civil liberties, education, defense, and foreign policy.[34]

During the 2017 federal election, the party called for Germany to adopt an immigration channel using a Canada-style points-based immigration system; spend up to 3% of GDP on defense and international security; phase out the solidarity surcharge tax (which was first levied in 1991 to pay for the costs of absorbing East Germany after German reunification); cut taxes by 30 billion euro (twice the amount of the tax cut proposed by the CDU); and improve road infrastructure by spending 2 billion euro annually for each of the next two decades, to be funded by selling government stakes in Deutsche Bahn, Deutsche Telekom, and Deutsche Post.[35] The FDP also called for the improvement of Germany's digital infrastructure, the establishment of a Ministry of Digital Affairs, and greater investment in education.[31] The party also supports allowing dual citizenship (in contrast to the CDU-CSU, which opposes it) but also supports requiring third-generation immigrants to select a single nationality.[31]

The FDP supports the legalization of cannabis in Germany[36][37] and strongly opposes proposals to heighten Internet surveillance.[34]

The FDP supports same-sex marriage in Germany.[38]

The FDP is a pro-European party, favoring greater European integration.[39][40] In its 2009 campaign manifesto, the FDP pledged support for ratification of the Lisbon Treaty as well as EU reforms aimed at enhancing transparency and democratic responsiveness, reducing bureaucracy, establishing stringent curbs on the EU budget, and fully liberalizing the Single Market.[41] At its January 2019 congress ahead of the 2019 European Parliament election, FDP's manifesto called for further EU reforms, including reducing the number of European Commissioners to 18 from the current 28, abolishing the European Economic and Social Committee, and ending the European Parliament's "traveling circus" between Brussels and Strasbourg.[42] Vice chairwoman and Deputy Leader Nicola Beer stated "We want both more and less Europe."[42]

Anti-isolationist libertarians, basically.


And that's why they hardly make it past the 5%-hurdle.
 
2020-06-28 7:13:59 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.   But no, they are backing Biden, I guess.   So were they ever backing Sanders or anyone else, or simply attacking Il Douche?


I think they realize that, given the state of the GOP right now, there is ZERO chance for anyone making headway against Trump -- his supporters still make up too much of the core base, and throwing anyone, even Romney in that mix right now is a losing fight.

The important thing is to get Trump out of office.  The only shot they have to do that is Biden -- they can at least add to his support.  The GOP needs to get burned to the ground and rebuilt -- but it ain't gonna happen why Trump's Cult has a death grip on their base numbers...so backing Biden is the only real choice they have to get him the fark out.
 
2020-06-28 7:15:50 AM  

Shaggy_C: thanksagainandagain: Any proof the sanctions have actually taken effect? Any tangible evidence of anything punitive? Sorry, it's just hard to take the Trump admin at its word since they, you know, lie. A lot.

Those are all sanctions under the Magnitsky Act (AFAIK), so I don't think there's much they can do to water them down once they are announced. They effectively blackball certain Russian assets from doing business with anyone else in the world if those 3rd parties want to work with the United States.


I'm guessing there are pretty easy ways to dodge that.
 
2020-06-28 7:17:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: uh...nobody: No. What he said is true.

I was referring to the "Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide" comment. Here's a short list of the Administrations actions against Russia just from last year...

Dec 5
Sanctions - In response to $100 million bank hacking scheme

Sep 30
Sanctions - In response to 2018 election interference attempt

Sep 26
Sanctions - In response to sanctions-evading scheme for Syria

Aug 2
Sanctions - In response to Salisbury attack

May 16
Sanctions - In response to human rights abuses

May 1
Statement - On democracy in Venezuela, President Trump denounced Russia's continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Apr 24
Statement - In response to Russian assault on Ukraine's sovereignty, the U.S. Department of State condemned Russia's decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.


Mar 15
Sanctions - In response to Russia's continued aggression in Ukraine

Mar 14
Statement - In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
Mar 11

Sanctions - In response to dealings with Venezuela
Mar 4

Notice - Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine

Feb 27
Statement - On Russian occupation of Crimea, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia's illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

Feb 1
Statement - Withdrawing from the INF Treat due to Russian non-compliance


So a list of things they are supposedly doing, but have little to no effect?
 
2020-06-28 7:18:45 AM  

Shaggy_C: uh...nobody: No. What he said is true.

I was referring to the "Trump does everything in his power to protect, defend, and encourage Russian interests over United States interests worldwide" comment. Here's a short list of the Administrations actions against Russia just from last year...


Hmm... curious.  You just gave an entire list of things that the Trump ADMINISTRATION has done.  A list of half-hearted denouncements, light sanctions, and political wordplay.  None of these have come directly from Trump himself.  Hell, Trump is so disconnected from what is going on around him that he didn't even know about Juneteenth until this year, ignoring the fact that he supposedly released recognition of the event each of his proceeding 3 years in office.

Now, since you do seem very adept at Googling and are willing to take the time to make lists and do some research, why not come up with a compilation of Trump himself, in speeches, talking about Russia and his leadership against Putin?
 
2020-06-28 7:23:38 AM  

Shaggy_C: what is the 'right' response?


whatever Fox News or alt right websites tell them, presumably. that is always their response. go read 1984.
 
2020-06-28 7:25:20 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Why aren't they backing Bill Weld for Republican nominee?   If ever there was a libertarian-leaning Republican that was running, he is the one.   But no, they are backing Biden, I guess.   So were they ever backing Sanders or anyone else, or simply attacking Il Douche?


They planned to support whoever Trump was running against. Can't speak for all of them, but Rick Wilson is anti 3rd party.
 
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