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2020-06-27 7:59:47 PM  
I always found the monster in the trash compactor to be the most interesting.

And hungry.
 
2020-06-27 8:55:22 PM  
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2020-06-27 10:21:38 PM  
Least satisfying: the Rancor in Jabba's palace.  Captured at a young age, kept in tiny cramped quarters its whole life, murdered by Luke just to make Jabba mad enough to go Sarlacc'ing.
 
2020-06-27 10:27:19 PM  
FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith
 
2020-06-27 11:38:22 PM  

SomeAmerican: Least satisfying: the Rancor in Jabba's palace.  Captured at a young age, kept in tiny cramped quarters its whole life, murdered by Luke just to make Jabba mad enough to go Sarlacc'ing.


Jabba kept those Gamorrean Guards on his main level to keep enemies away. When they didn't do their jobs, he sent enemies to the Rancor. When the Rancor didn't do its job, he sent those enemies to the Sarlacc.

What was he going to do if the Sarlacc failed but Jabba didn't die? Launch his enemies into one of those giant space slugs? His execution schemes grew more complicated and Bond-villain-like at each step...
 
2020-06-27 11:42:47 PM  

stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith


umm... force sensitive?
 
2020-06-28 12:28:56 AM  
Most Satisfying: Obi-Wan Kenobi

Bullshiat.  My imagination isn't even all that impressive, but I can easily imagine something more powerful than the ghost that talks to Yoda.
 
2020-06-28 12:35:36 AM  

stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith


They're going to release a whole movie addressing that plot hole. It's just two hours of the birth cut with womb jedi powers ramping up the emotional intensity. Leia has midichlorian levels through the roof.
 
2020-06-28 12:49:47 AM  
Man... the imaginary version of Han Solo's arc this guy saw in his head sounds a lot more awesome and narratively satisfying than irresponsible, shiatty old guy who'd abandoned his family during a mid-life crisis to fark off and go back to a life of crime that the rest of us got to see by actually watching TFA.
 
2020-06-28 12:54:53 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Man... the imaginary version of Han Solo's arc this guy saw in his head sounds a lot more awesome and narratively satisfying than irresponsible, shiatty old guy who'd abandoned his family during a mid-life crisis to fark off and go back to a life of crime that the rest of us got to see by actually watching TFA.


I hate the way the original heroes were grotesquely murdered in the sequels, and I really hate that they were turned into losers first.

Worse than the prequels, which were just poorly directed and acted and a little boring.
 
2020-06-28 12:57:45 AM  
Anything beginning or ending in the sequel trilogy is automatically a non-starter.
 
2020-06-28 1:21:55 AM  

NetOwl: Jim_Callahan: Man... the imaginary version of Han Solo's arc this guy saw in his head sounds a lot more awesome and narratively satisfying than irresponsible, shiatty old guy who'd abandoned his family during a mid-life crisis to fark off and go back to a life of crime that the rest of us got to see by actually watching TFA.

I hate the way the original heroes were grotesquely murdered in the sequels, and I really hate that they were turned into losers first.

Worse than the prequels, which were just poorly directed and acted and a little boring.


Luke's story in the sequels made him so much more interesting. After The Force Awakens, I had pictured him being this Superman-like figure who was going to come in and destroy the First Order single handedly.

But Superman stories are usually boring. Seeing that Luke still was able to fail after becoming a Jedi made his character more sympathetic and relatable.

For me, Luke was easily the best arc of the series. I loved him as the whiny kid complaining about his menial tasks, I loved him as the confident Jedi and I loved him as the dejected loner who then used his powers for redemption.
 
2020-06-28 1:27:30 AM  
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2020-06-28 1:36:58 AM  

NetOwl: Jim_Callahan: Man... the imaginary version of Han Solo's arc this guy saw in his head sounds a lot more awesome and narratively satisfying than irresponsible, shiatty old guy who'd abandoned his family during a mid-life crisis to fark off and go back to a life of crime that the rest of us got to see by actually watching TFA.

I hate the way the original heroes were grotesquely murdered in the sequels, and I really hate that they were turned into losers first.

Worse than the prequels, which were just poorly directed and acted and a little boring.


This is why you don't get fanboys like Abrams to write sequels. He didn't want the characters to grow and change, he wanted them to keep doing the same things he liked watching them do the first time around. By throwing out Solo's previous arc and making him return to being a swinging single spice runner, Abrams actually thought he was making the character cool again, not trashing three movies' worth of development.

On the one hand, Filoni's got a lot of work to do to make the Star Wars movie franchise into something original and fun again. But on the other hand, Abrams and Johnson have set the bar so low, even a mediocre next outing could delight the fans just by being planned out in advance and not being a total mess.
 
2020-06-28 1:45:44 AM  
Least Satisfying: Padme Amidala

The ice cream maker from Empire had a more satisfying character arc than Padme.
 
2020-06-28 1:54:11 AM  

fusillade762: Least Satisfying: Padme Amidala

The ice cream maker from Empire had a more satisfying character arc than Padme.


Including Padme in a list of character arcs just shows how much filler was required to get to 10. She didn't have a journey, she just served a purpose, which just happened to be the same purpose Anakin's mother had. Any arc that ends by getting fridged isn't an arc.

Why not put Lando on the list instead? He had more of an arc in the second half of Empire than Padme got in three movies.
 
2020-06-28 1:54:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Man... the imaginary version of Han Solo's arc this guy saw in his head sounds a lot more awesome and narratively satisfying than irresponsible, shiatty old guy who'd abandoned his family during a mid-life crisis to fark off and go back to a life of crime that the rest of us got to see by actually watching TFA.


I don't know if one can really describe "son becomes a mass murdering sith lord" as a mid-life crisis.

I think that the stress when someone's child suddenly becomes a sullen, whiny Hitler would be enough to cause any family to crumble.
 
2020-06-28 2:48:36 AM  
Please,
They've botched all of the arcs. If they didn't in the first three, they did it in the follow up films.

In the original SW, Han had the best arc. Maybe I was naive when I saw it as a teen, but, when
the Falcon roared in with the star behind it and with the line "Let's blow this, thing and go home", I was
actually shocked. J.J then demoted him back to scruffy pirate limbo for the reset, and "Solo: a Red Cup SW Story" did the character worse with "we'll show the audience how he got that way", hence destroying any mystique about him and ruining his first arc.

Luke was only interesting in the way "Fat Thor" was in that you can grow by failure, making an otherwise flat character a bit nuanced. I wasn't overly invested in the Luke character but, I think that bitter, alcoholic, hobo Luke was another B.J. eff you to J.J.

If Palpatine had an arc, I guess R2D2 had one too and I guess K.K. was invested in having Leia to have an arc, but it a shame about Carrie Fisher and she wanted to stick to her guns. I guess still better than the male leads that were all put on a train to loserville.

And Kylo couldn't have a satisfying arc since he runs hot/cold, to "is he redeemable" to "fark no, he way beyond the pale"*
And as far as poor Rey is concerned, I never did feel that super-saiyans had arcs.
/*(ha! the second movie should of had them joining forces, but, what do i know?)
 
2020-06-28 3:47:19 AM  

Obscure Login: For me, Luke was easily the best arc of the series. I loved him as the whiny kid complaining about his menial tasks, I loved him as the confident Jedi and I loved him as the dejected loner who then used his powers for redemption.


I'd agree if they'd finished his arc in the second movie of the new trilogy as originally planned.  Also Leia's supposed backstory within the 40-year gap was pretty good (albeit only in character terms, being a resistance leader unfortunately tangles her up in the massive black hole of stupidity that is 'why was there already a 'resistance' before the first order was even a thing' and WTF the First Order even farking is) if you stop it at the end of the second movie where the actor actually died.

Unfortunately, Disney apparently had an entire farking corporation of professional writers read over the Rise of Palpatine and for some incomprehensible reason still green-light it, so now instead of Luke's story ending with a relatively subdued moral about how fixing a broken situation is harder than you think but you shouldn't give up, now he's just a cheerleader for the old, corrupt version of the Jedi order that six movies were spent deconstructing and defying.  And Leia no longer had a bunch of sweet off-screen adventures that resulted in her being a retired general too badass not to come out of retirement when shiat goes down to a coward who caused most of the series' problems by being too much of a wuss to do minimum-effort parenting.

I'm more annoyed at Han's than the other two because the other two seem more like good idea executed badly / fumbled at the finish line, whereas Han gets turned back into an immature, worthless asshole fleeing his responsibilities in the first movie and then dies without it actually becoming a character arc.  Which is to say, they straight-up re-wound his existing character development back to the beginning of Episode IV and then just left it there instead of doing something with it.

Like... if there was some sort of actual relationship established between him and Ben on-screen and his reversion was part of it, and dealing with that relationship to evolve him in a different direction or something, then I'd at least give it the "an attempt was made" sticker.  None of that was done, though, just "here's first-appearance Han solo to the point that a seventy-year-old man went back into his attic to put on the clothing he wore in his twenties and spent his entire life savings hunting down the car that was cool in high school so that he can start selling weed on the corner again, what do you mean 'sad', this is badass, don't you 'member how badass it is?"

// Probably not a coincidence that all of the parts of the new trilogy where my reaction is like "well, at least that was an interesting idea even if it wasn't well executed" come from TLJ.  Now that we've got all three Disney flicks to look at side-by-side it's pretty clear that one was "the good one" to the extent that any of them were any good, weird diversion to a random casino and resulting broken pacing aside.
 
2020-06-28 4:10:32 AM  
A Screenranter who mostly writes about Gilmore Girls and One Tree Hill has some opinions about Star Wars? Wow, I must click, they definitely won't be stupid.
 
2020-06-28 5:47:43 AM  
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2020-06-28 6:28:59 AM  
Most satisfying: Ahsoka Tano
 
2020-06-28 7:32:10 AM  
Han Solo....well, let's just say Old Man Jenkins aka Harrison Ford got the death he was clamoring for, for whatever idiotic reason since ESB (artistic motivation, my ass, Ford aint even close to being an artist).
 
2020-06-28 7:36:59 AM  
I disagree with much of this list.

I begrudgingly only agree with Obi-Wan because of reading the comics and watching Rebels.

But without that?  They've pretty much admitted they killed him off because they had nothing For him to do and he would have just been standing around after the Death Star.

And out of any of the characters in the sequels Kylo was the only one WITH a story arc, so...
 
2020-06-28 8:23:43 AM  

stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith


It's like George didn't even bother to reread his scripts when writing the prequels
 
2020-06-28 8:34:18 AM  
They were popcorn sci-fi (but really fantasy/fairy tale) adventure stories.  When the fans are demanding character arcs you've been set up for failure.  When the writers include character arcs they've also failed.
/does James Bond have a character arc?
//or continuity?
///Disney presumably has plans for surpassing the number of Bond flicks in a few years...
 
2020-06-28 8:40:21 AM  

stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith


Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?
Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Leia: Just images really, feelings.
Luke: Tell me.
Leia: She was, very beautiful, kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?
Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.

Is it even established in Return of the Jedi that Leia knew she was adopted?

Later in this scene when Luke tells her that she is his sister, she replies, "I know, somehow I've always known", but that always felt like the validation of a suppressed feeling rather than ad admission that she grew up knowing that the Organas weren't her real parents.

I always took it to mean that Bail Organa's wife died when she was young and that he later remarried.
 
2020-06-28 9:55:45 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: Is it even established in Return of the Jedi that Leia knew she was adopted?


Yeah that would make sense. You'd have to think they'd be hesitant to disclose publicly that she was adopted. It might destabilize her position as a respected member of the royal family, and might draw suspicion from the Empire because huh, why did King Organa or whoever adopt a child? She must be important...
 
2020-06-28 10:33:57 AM  

stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith


Gee, it's *almost* like Lucas is a terrible writer and a mediocre director, who only succeeded because of his special effects and the charisma of Harrison Ford.  As I've said previously, without Ford, Lucas is just Michael Bay v1.0
 
2020-06-28 10:36:58 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith

Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?
Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Leia: Just images really, feelings.
Luke: Tell me.
Leia: She was, very beautiful, kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?
Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.

Is it even established in Return of the Jedi that Leia knew she was adopted?

Later in this scene when Luke tells her that she is his sister, she replies, "I know, somehow I've always known", but that always felt like the validation of a suppressed feeling rather than ad admission that she grew up knowing that the Organas weren't her real parents.

I always took it to mean that Bail Organa's wife died when she was young and that he later remarried.



She always knew she was adopted. Bail and Queen Breha were always open with Leia about that. It was common knowledge (at least on Alderaan) that she was adopted (there were many orphaned children at that time thanks to the Clone Wars).

Queen Breha was alive until the destruction of Alderaan. Leia was in line to take her place as Queen of Alderaan, had Alderaan survived.

The images and impressions Leia described were of Padme; Vague senses of her mother from a very Force sensitive child. That's all.

Leia knowing Luke's her brother "deep down" is again just Force sensitivity and possibly "twin intuition".


/Leia's actually the hero of the story. Not Luke. Not Rey. Not Anakin.
 
2020-06-28 10:37:51 AM  
The fact it's a weekend, a star wars thread, and there are only this many posts kinda speaks to what JJ Mousehouse did to the SW universe as a whole.
 
2020-06-28 11:10:10 AM  

NINEv2: The fact it's a weekend, a star wars thread, and there are only this many posts kinda speaks to what JJ Mousehouse did to the SW universe as a whole.


Sad, but true. RoS was such an abomination that it almost killed the love for me, and I had read and endured through the execrable Yuuzhan Vong EU dungpile!
Lucasfilm/Disney should archive the sequels as legends and thank Filoni and Favreau for Clone Wars and the Mandalorian, every f*cking day.
 
2020-06-28 11:10:44 AM  
Star Wars has always revolved around the villain, and its success is directly tied to the character building of the villain which in turn builds up the protagonist. Darth Vader was an excellent villain. The original corrupted Lord Palpatine was a great villain. Jabba the Hutt was a great villain. Darth Maul was an excellent villain. Past this point, Star Wars started to fail.
 
2020-06-28 11:15:09 AM  
You know, I always thought after reading the Darth Bane trilogy of books that they would have made a fantastic set of moves
 
2020-06-28 11:15:21 AM  
the money is in the banana stand:

Darth Maul was an excellent rehabilitated into an excellent villain.

Thanks to Dave Filoni
 
2020-06-28 11:16:34 AM  

lifeslammer: You know, I always thought after reading the Darth Bane trilogy of books that they would have made a fantastic set of moves


Agreed.

And the Darth Plagueis novel SHOULD have been the prequels.
 
2020-06-28 11:16:56 AM  

Bslim: the money is in the banana stand:

Darth Maul was an excellent rehabilitated into an excellent villain.

Thanks to Dave Filoni


Point conceded.
 
2020-06-28 11:20:31 AM  

Bslim: And the Darth Plagueis novel SHOULD have been the prequels.


Well.... we've ALL heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the Wise
 
2020-06-28 11:23:23 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: They were popcorn sci-fi (but really fantasy/fairy tale) adventure stories.  When the fans are demanding character arcs you've been set up for failure.  When the writers include character arcs they've also failed.
/does James Bond have a character arc?
//or continuity?
///Disney presumably has plans for surpassing the number of Bond flicks in a few years...


FWIW, I agree with you. These were kids' fantasy stories, and good ones. Trying to transmogrify them into adult fiction, which is what they did for the prequels/sequels, just doesn't work well. I haven't seen them, but it's interesting that the animated TV shows, which is written for children(mostly) on a kids' network, seem to get the best reviews.
 
2020-06-28 11:24:28 AM  

The Flexecutioner: stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith

They're going to release a whole movie addressing that plot hole. It's just two hours of the birth cut with womb jedi powers ramping up the emotional intensity. Leia has midichlorian levels through the roof.


I just assume she's talking about her adoptive mother, unaware that she wasn't her birth mother.
 
2020-06-28 11:47:59 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: They were popcorn sci-fi (but really fantasy/fairy tale) adventure stories.  When the fans are demanding character arcs you've been set up for failure.  When the writers include character arcs they've also failed.
/does James Bond have a character arc?
//or continuity?
///Disney presumably has plans for surpassing the number of Bond flicks in a few years...


What's worse is when these arcs are so obviously forced.  Nothing about Luke's failure with Kylo Ren makes any sense but the plot demanded it so we have this jarring insertion in part 8 of 9 of a series.  Very poorly done.
 
2020-06-28 11:49:43 AM  

stilted: FTA: Least Satisfying: Pademe Amadala

While there are many reasons it is unsatisfying, what's always bothered me is in Return of the Jedi, Leia remembers bits of Padme ("very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."), yet Padme dies in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith


I actually thought one of the "plot twists" in the new trilogy was that they were going to somehow work in the "Padme didn't die" fan fic.
 
2020-06-28 12:00:59 PM  

fusillade762: Least Satisfying: Padme Amidala

The ice cream maker from Empire had a more satisfying character arc than Padme.


Didn't read the article but umm... didn't Padme facilitate Palpy's rise to power?
 
2020-06-28 12:11:45 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: //Disney presumably has plans for surpassing the number of Bond flicks in a few years...


I'm perfectly OK with this.  I go to movies to be entertained, not to sit there and be a nitpicky grouch for two hours.

If the movies only make 1B instead of 4B, it doesn't matter to me, as long as the ticket price is the same.
 
2020-06-28 12:15:31 PM  

NINEv2: The fact it's a weekend, a star wars thread, and there are only this many posts kinda speaks to what JJ Mousehouse did to the SW universe as a whole.


Well, there's also the fact that all SW threads devolve into the same 3 or 4 posters having a biatchfest and nothing new of note being discussed.
 
2020-06-28 12:16:15 PM  
I was assuming we'd see at least an attempt at a satisfying arc for R2D2 (and, by extension, C3P0). But the sequels more or less ignored those two. The less Threepio the better, probably, but R2 got a raw deal.
 
2020-06-28 12:16:37 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Darth Maul was an excellent villain.


Because he got a high-profile HK?
 
2020-06-28 12:23:04 PM  

Slow To Return: fusillade762: Least Satisfying: Padme Amidala

The ice cream maker from Empire had a more satisfying character arc than Padme.

Didn't read the article but umm... didn't Padme facilitate Palpy's rise to power?


No, Jar Jar did
 
2020-06-28 1:13:01 PM  

Slow To Return: NINEv2: The fact it's a weekend, a star wars thread, and there are only this many posts kinda speaks to what JJ Mousehouse did to the SW universe as a whole.

Well, there's also the fact that all SW threads devolve into the same 3 or 4 posters having a biatchfest and nothing new of note being discussed.


We're the only ones still bored enough to keep flogging this dead horse.* That just underlines NINEv2's point.

* Or whatever they call horses in Star Wars. Dead dewback?
 
2020-06-28 1:24:43 PM  

EdgeRunner: Slow To Return: NINEv2: The fact it's a weekend, a star wars thread, and there are only this many posts kinda speaks to what JJ Mousehouse did to the SW universe as a whole.

Well, there's also the fact that all SW threads devolve into the same 3 or 4 posters having a biatchfest and nothing new of note being discussed.

We're the only ones still bored enough to keep flogging this dead horse.* That just underlines NINEv2's point.

* Or whatever they call horses in Star Wars. Dead dewback?


I was kinda going for the "everyone with something useful to say has been driven off, much like the dreaded P-tab" angle
 
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