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2020-06-27 8:51:44 AM  
Johnson's whole platform is Brexit no matter what. It's his only thing. If you even consider taking that away, his government becomes completely pointless (as opposed to basically pointless).

The U.K. is gonna get Brexit and it is their own fault. I hope they're happy.
 
2020-06-27 8:56:01 AM  
Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.
 
2020-06-27 9:24:03 AM  
Vote in BoJo and the Nigel Boys who stand for Brexit and MeMeMeMeMe then want them to do Not-Brexit.

People are Interneting while High a lot these days.
 
2020-06-27 9:50:12 AM  
Sorry. Brexit is the Will of the People and therefore far too important to be left up to them.
 
2020-06-27 10:51:50 AM  
They had plenty of opportunities to vote in the saner party to get said referendum.

/let's just ignore that Corbyn is terrible
 
2020-06-27 11:08:10 AM  

Summoner101: They had plenty of opportunities to vote in the saner party to get said referendum.

/let's just ignore that Corbyn is terrible


Problem was, part of Corbyn's terribleness was having absolutely no coherent message on Brexit for four entire years.

Before the referendum his policy was "???".

Between the referendum and 2019 his policy was "I will do exactly what the Tories are doing, only for Team Red and not Team Blue so it'll be better."

For the 2019 election his policy was "I will start this whole mess over again, using the same red lines the Tories did, and will then renegotiate the same deal so we can all relive that exciting experience, and then I'll hold the 82,375th national vote of the past five years to choose between my deal and another yawning chasm of uncertainty."

Had he started from the beginning with a policy of "Brexit is a con job and we shouldn't do it", he would probably today be Prime Minister and we probably wouldn't be headed for a Brexit. But he just left a vacuum of incoherent non-opposition to the left of the government, and suffered all the success that can be expected of any opposition leader who neither leads nor opposes.
 
2020-06-27 11:46:20 AM  
They had three chances .
 
2020-06-27 11:46:26 AM  

pkjun: Summoner101: They had plenty of opportunities to vote in the saner party to get said referendum.

/let's just ignore that Corbyn is terrible

Problem was, part of Corbyn's terribleness was having absolutely no coherent message on Brexit for four entire years.

Before the referendum his policy was "???".

Between the referendum and 2019 his policy was "I will do exactly what the Tories are doing, only for Team Red and not Team Blue so it'll be better."

For the 2019 election his policy was "I will start this whole mess over again, using the same red lines the Tories did, and will then renegotiate the same deal so we can all relive that exciting experience, and then I'll hold the 82,375th national vote of the past five years to choose between my deal and another yawning chasm of uncertainty."

Had he started from the beginning with a policy of "Brexit is a con job and we shouldn't do it", he would probably today be Prime Minister and we probably wouldn't be headed for a Brexit. But he just left a vacuum of incoherent non-opposition to the left of the government, and suffered all the success that can be expected of any opposition leader who neither leads nor opposes.


Sums it up. Corbyn with his fence-sitting was the reason people voted against Labour. Had they had a decent guy at the helm, things might have gone the other way.
 
2020-06-27 11:47:57 AM  
A whole lotta slow learners have finally gotten the point. Way too late.
 
2020-06-27 11:48:36 AM  
British elections are fundamentally broken. People like to crow about the litany of horrors that is Americam elections, which are certainly travesties, but multiple parties plus individual district elections equals farking doom.

The various left parties got more votes than the right parties. The Tories didn't dominate crap; they just beat the left that was split between Labour, Lib Dems, and (where applicable) SNP.

As far as I can tell, not many people are talking about this. There's a lot more "blame Corbyn for failing to take a stance on Brexit!" going around. Which is a fair criticism and a stupid thing for Corbyn to have failed to do.

But the system is borked with more than two parties. Could you imagine in America if, I dunno, Thom Tillis were running against Cal Cunningham and also Other Democrat in a plurality-wins election?
 
2020-06-27 11:49:44 AM  
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2020-06-27 11:49:44 AM  
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2020-06-27 11:50:34 AM  
If you wanted to remain in the EU then you shouldn't have given the BREXIT party a landslide victory in last year's election. You not only voted for BREXIT in a referendum, but you had two national elections since then and both times you failed to elect the party that had the balls to pull the plug on this terrible idea. The most recent time, you actually gave a landslide victory to the BREXIT party. So forgive me if I'm low on sympathy for people who now regret shooting themselves in the groin three separate times.
 
2020-06-27 11:50:53 AM  
But hey, blue passports!
 
2020-06-27 11:52:57 AM  

aaronx: Johnson's whole platform is Brexit no matter what. It's his only thing.


And the people voted for his party in a landslide.  Do the Brits not understand how voting works?
 
2020-06-27 11:54:05 AM  

Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.



They should be willing to offer a few special privileges to the Scots as enticements if they want to join as an independent country. Of course, that will never work. Scots and Europeans are natural enemies.
 
2020-06-27 11:54:40 AM  

Xythero: aaronx: Johnson's whole platform is Brexit no matter what. It's his only thing.

And the people voted for his party in a landslide.  Do the Brits not understand how voting works?


Is it a sensible system like the US Presidential one where the person with less votes wins?
 
2020-06-27 12:01:48 PM  

kbronsito: Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.


They should be willing to offer a few special privileges to the Scots as enticements if they want to join as an independent country. Of course, that will never work. Scots and Europeans are natural enemies.


The auld alliance contradicts that statement.
 
2020-06-27 12:02:41 PM  

LucklessWonder: Xythero: aaronx: Johnson's whole platform is Brexit no matter what. It's his only thing.

And the people voted for his party in a landslide.  Do the Brits not understand how voting works?

Is it a sensible system like the US Presidential one where the person with less votes wins?


The UK can have that too with the parliamentary system. Much moreso even if you group left-leaning vs right leaning parties together.
 
2020-06-27 12:03:10 PM  
Not to worry, whatshisname will be along shortly to claim that the notion that anyone regrets their Brexit vote is a lie.
 
2020-06-27 12:05:19 PM  

kbronsito: Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.


They should be willing to offer a few special privileges to the Scots as enticements if they want to join as an independent country. Of course, that will never work. Scots and Europeans are natural enemies.


The Scots hate everyone though, especially other Scots and most of all the English so out of spite for most hated status they may go for it or may not. There a reason Edward I dealt with them the way he did.
 
2020-06-27 12:06:44 PM  

limeyfellow: kbronsito: Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.


They should be willing to offer a few special privileges to the Scots as enticements if they want to join as an independent country. Of course, that will never work. Scots and Europeans are natural enemies.

The Scots hate everyone though, especially other Scots and most of all the English so out of spite for most hated status they may go for it or may not. There a reason Edward I dealt with them the way he did.


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2020-06-27 12:10:11 PM  
need to re-apply drop the pound for the euro. get on with metric system.
 
2020-06-27 12:10:28 PM  

LucklessWonder: Xythero: aaronx: Johnson's whole platform is Brexit no matter what. It's his only thing.

And the people voted for his party in a landslide.  Do the Brits not understand how voting works?

Is it a sensible system like the US Presidential one where the person with less votes wins?


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2020-06-27 12:11:30 PM  

Summoner101: They had plenty of opportunities to vote in the saner party to get said referendum.

/let's just ignore that Corbyn is terrible


I was going to write a bit about this but pkjun just did so I'll just say THIS to that.

The elections choices was "BREXIT HARD AND FAST" or "brexit maybe eventually I don't know what do you think."
 
2020-06-27 12:14:39 PM  
It is now 2020. Brexit is still a thing.
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2020-06-27 12:15:46 PM  
Nobody can help the UK. They are gone. They let go of our hands and they are plummeting. If they catch a windowsill on their way down, great, but we can't help them. Brexit is the Nakatomi Tower and the voter is Hans Gruber. The EU at least went to heroic lengths making sure their fall would be in slow-motion, so they could grab a lege, but every time somebody opens a window and put a hand out, the English just flail past. We can't stop them from hitting the ground. It's time to land.
 
2020-06-27 12:17:36 PM  
As much as living in the US sucks donkey balls right now, we have the chance to boot Trump from office later this year and start to (hopefully) correct course.

But Brexit, good luck undoing that.

But hey, you got blue passports, so not all bad I guess.
 
2020-06-27 12:17:40 PM  
If the EU ever takes the UK back, say goodbye to Queenie or King Chuckles on the pound. They're going to be force-fed the Euro


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2020-06-27 12:17:50 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Nobody can help the UK. They are gone. They let go of our hands and they are plummeting. If they catch a windowsill on their way down, great, but we can't help them. Brexit is the Nakatomi Tower and the voter is Hans Gruber. The EU at least went to heroic lengths making sure their fall would be in slow-motion, so they could grab a lege, but every time somebody opens a window and put a hand out, the English just flail past. We can't stop them from hitting the ground. It's time to land.


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2020-06-27 12:17:53 PM  
Yea most Americans didn't want Trump, but here we are.
 
2020-06-27 12:21:26 PM  

Dafatone: British elections are fundamentally broken. People like to crow about the litany of horrors that is Americam elections, which are certainly travesties, but multiple parties plus individual district elections equals farking doom.

The various left parties got more votes than the right parties. The Tories didn't dominate crap; they just beat the left that was split between Labour, Lib Dems, and (where applicable) SNP.

As far as I can tell, not many people are talking about this. There's a lot more "blame Corbyn for failing to take a stance on Brexit!" going around. Which is a fair criticism and a stupid thing for Corbyn to have failed to do.

But the system is borked with more than two parties. Could you imagine in America if, I dunno, Thom Tillis were running against Cal Cunningham and also Other Democrat in a plurality-wins election?


Labour ran with, amongst other things, PR voting against John Major and won in a landslide. They had the chance to fix it, and they ran on it.

But they'd won so many seats they didn't want to risk them. So they left Weeners the post.

It is 100% Labour's fault that Labour is getting farked by Weeners the post. They ran on changing it, and they had the majority to do so, and they didn't.

So, now they're farked, and they're farked for a very good reason: they deserved it.
 
2020-06-27 12:22:27 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Nobody can help the UK. They are gone. They let go of our hands and they are plummeting. If they catch a windowsill on their way down, great, but we can't help them. Brexit is the Nakatomi Tower and the voter is Hans Gruber. The EU at least went to heroic lengths making sure their fall would be in slow-motion, so they could grab a lege, but every time somebody opens a window and put a hand out, the English just flail past. We can't stop them from hitting the ground. It's time to land.


Agreed. The best thing the EU can do is start building customs infrastructure and tell the UK to fark right off.
 
2020-06-27 12:25:22 PM  
They'll be so much better off when they have good old American chlorinated chicken and the NHS is replaced by greedy American "healthcare" corporations sucking everyone dry after they get sick from the chicken
 
2020-06-27 12:25:51 PM  
No they don't. The English don't anyway. They just want to swan through the lines in continental airports reserved for white people after stumbling off their Ryanair flight.

Fark them. The world has moved on.
 
2020-06-27 12:26:43 PM  

Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.


It won't be there in 15 years. When Britain goes, that's the first domino to fall and it will take other countries with it who choose to be in charge of their own destiny instead of letting some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels do it for them.
 
2020-06-27 12:28:04 PM  
One could argue coherently on both sides of the Brexit issue. Sadly the execution of Brexit itself has been a clusterfark.

That said, it's over. All the recrimination articles are going to get boring after a while. The EU is moving on. The UK should too. Nobody likes a desperate stalker.
 
2020-06-27 12:28:50 PM  
People should be on the hook for miseducating the public, Nanny State and all.
 
2020-06-27 12:31:38 PM  
I don't think that's an option any longer.

Rejoining is though, but say goodbye to all the UK exceptions & conditions.
 
2020-06-27 12:31:50 PM  

pkjun: Summoner101: They had plenty of opportunities to vote in the saner party to get said referendum.

/let's just ignore that Corbyn is terrible

Problem was, part of Corbyn's terribleness was having absolutely no coherent message on Brexit for four entire years.

Before the referendum his policy was "???".

Between the referendum and 2019 his policy was "I will do exactly what the Tories are doing, only for Team Red and not Team Blue so it'll be better."

For the 2019 election his policy was "I will start this whole mess over again, using the same red lines the Tories did, and will then renegotiate the same deal so we can all relive that exciting experience, and then I'll hold the 82,375th national vote of the past five years to choose between my deal and another yawning chasm of uncertainty."

Had he started from the beginning with a policy of "Brexit is a con job and we shouldn't do it", he would probably today be Prime Minister and we probably wouldn't be headed for a Brexit. But he just left a vacuum of incoherent non-opposition to the left of the government, and suffered all the success that can be expected of any opposition leader who neither leads nor opposes.


As an American, Corbyn strikes me as the type who will take absolute power over a small group that can't achieve anything rather than share control over a large group which can get stuff done.
 
2020-06-27 12:32:30 PM  

fernt: Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.

It won't be there in 15 years. When Britain goes, that's the first domino to fall and it will take other countries with it who choose to be in charge of their own destiny instead of letting some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels do it for them.


You are astoundingly stupid
 
2020-06-27 12:32:42 PM  

Dafatone: British elections are fundamentally broken. People like to crow about the litany of horrors that is Americam elections, which are certainly travesties, but multiple parties plus individual district elections equals farking doom.

The various left parties got more votes than the right parties. The Tories didn't dominate crap; they just beat the left that was split between Labour, Lib Dems, and (where applicable) SNP.

As far as I can tell, not many people are talking about this. There's a lot more "blame Corbyn for failing to take a stance on Brexit!" going around. Which is a fair criticism and a stupid thing for Corbyn to have failed to do.

But the system is borked with more than two parties. Could you imagine in America if, I dunno, Thom Tillis were running against Cal Cunningham and also Other Democrat in a plurality-wins election?


That sounds really familiar to my corner of the world. The left has the Liberals, NDP, and Greens, the right is down to a single party, the Conservatives, and there's a federal party that only runs candidates in Quebec.

Vote splitting is a major problem. The super handsome PM was originally voted in by some because he was going to scrap Weeners the post voting and then broke that promise. His party probably found out it would hurt their numbers. A lot of people vote ABC, Anybody But Conservative, whoever on the left has the best chance of winning against the cons gets the votes. Without FPTP more people could throw their support to the NDP and greens without worrying about the Cons winning all the seats.

*sigh*
 
2020-06-27 12:34:26 PM  

born_yesterday: But hey, blue passports!


No more straight bananas!
 
2020-06-27 12:39:08 PM  
Corbyn was a clown who should never have been elected. How did he not force a 2nd referendum?
 
2020-06-27 1:02:40 PM  
Sure. The Brits don't want Brexit, but they want to keep foreigners out. So the majority voted for Brexit. Just depends on how you sell your product.
 
2020-06-27 1:12:53 PM  

Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.


Pound foolish.
 
2020-06-27 1:19:16 PM  
They already voted pro.  They have to leave and then have another vote.

Elections have consequences..  we dont do best out of three.
 
2020-06-27 1:44:48 PM  

kobrakai: fernt: Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.

It won't be there in 15 years. When Britain goes, that's the first domino to fall and it will take other countries with it who choose to be in charge of their own destiny instead of letting some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels do it for them.

You are astoundingly stupid


But it's a safe assertion to make because who's going to call the captain of the dark idiot troll brigade on it 15 years from now.

But you are also correct.  Resoundingly stupid.
 
2020-06-27 1:56:30 PM  

aaronx: Johnson's whole platform is Brexit no matter what. It's his only thing. If you even consider taking that away, his government becomes completely pointless (as opposed to basically pointless).

The U.K. is gonna get Brexit and it is their own fault. I hope they're happy.


So pointless that he won a clear mandate from the people...

/elections have consequences
 
2020-06-27 2:00:19 PM  

Gubbo: Too late for any of that

Maybe in 15 years you can be let back in, without any of the special privileges that you had before.


England is going to make itself into a third world country.  Maybe they will get colonized by India in a few years.
 
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