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2020-06-26 10:19:25 PM  
And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.
 
2020-06-26 10:37:00 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.


I truly hope there will be a pandemic of voting for Biden. Someone said to me that he  would crawl naked and wet over void covered broken glass to vote for Biden. This guy is a registered Republican. He was all in for Trump until about two years ago. He has never said what opened his eyes.
 
2020-06-26 10:37:37 PM  
Repeated in a previous thread:

The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime

I was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But too many of my fellow white males were all like: "No farkin' way I'm voting for Hillary".  But this year we have a he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-be​er-with at the top of the ticket so I think it we can be cautiously optimistic.

/ saddened that our electoral politics are so superficial

// going to pour a whiskey.... or take a Xanax..... or both
 
2020-06-26 10:43:57 PM  

WTFDYW: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.

I truly hope there will be a pandemic of voting for Biden. Someone said to me that he  would crawl naked and wet over void covered broken glass to vote for Biden. This guy is a registered Republican. He was all in for Trump until about two years ago. He has never said what opened his eyes.


You believed a republican?

Seriously?

There are two kinds of republicans.

The ones lying to right now, and the ones lying to you right now.
 
2020-06-26 10:59:05 PM  
Misogyny is amazing stuff.
 
2020-06-26 11:08:36 PM  

ababyatemydingo: Repeated in a previous thread:

The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime

I was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But too many of my fellow white males were all like: "No farkin' way I'm voting for Hillary".  But this year we have a he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-be​er-with at the top of the ticket so I think it we can be cautiously optimistic.

/ saddened that our electoral politics are so superficial

// going to pour a whiskey.... or take a Xanax..... or both


I did not necessarily want to vote for Hillary.  But I sure as hell didn't want him to win because I was highly confident his win would lead to ruin.

Okay, I figured he would get us involved in a shooting war somewhere, possibly nuclear missiles.  That hasn't happened yet.  But what has happened is pretty freaking devastating nonetheless.
 
2020-06-26 11:19:43 PM  
I actually felt a shudder of revulsion as I moved to check Clinton's name on the 2016 ballot.  I didn't want to vote for her. I thought she was drafting Bill and then mysteriously became Senator of a state she didn't live in and then "somehow" Obama appointed her SecState and now it was finally her turn to become President.

How the fark do you become Senator of a state you don't live in without invisible money?  Wall Street speeches you won't release the transcripts of?  You're a bought biatch. That's how I felt about her run for Presidency.  But although I didn't vote for her, I voted against Trump which required checking the box by her name.
 
2020-06-27 1:28:51 AM  
Good. Now let's make sure that lead in the polls becomes an electoral college victory.
 
2020-06-27 1:41:44 AM  
I guess that means we can ignore swing states again.  Someone call Robby Mook and open the champagne!
 
2020-06-27 2:31:05 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.


And people say they like a particular candidate... but they stay home on election day thinking that person has it in the bag.
 
2020-06-27 4:35:39 AM  
Maybe I missed it , but I haven't seen this one in a while.

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2020-06-27 6:12:53 AM  
That's it! I'm calling it! Hillary's not winning the 2020 election.
 
2020-06-27 6:15:40 AM  
He didn't exactly "win" in 2016 with a three million vote deficit.
 
2020-06-27 6:21:29 AM  

syrynxx: I actually felt a shudder of revulsion as I moved to check Clinton's name on the 2016 ballot.  I didn't want to vote for her. I thought she was drafting Bill and then mysteriously became Senator of a state she didn't live in and then "somehow" Obama appointed her SecState and now it was finally her turn to become President.

How the fark do you become Senator of a state you don't live in without invisible money?  Wall Street speeches you won't release the transcripts of?  You're a bought biatch. That's how I felt about her run for Presidency.  But although I didn't vote for her, I voted against Trump which required checking the box by her name.


Jesus farking Christ, man. Get some farking perspective.
 
2020-06-27 6:24:33 AM  

ababyatemydingo: The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime


Or, to put it another way, American men resent and feel emasculated by any women who tell them what to do.

Biden and Clinton are identical from a policy perspective and an institutional perspective. Trump is as known a quantity now as he was in 2016. But the thought of President Biden doesn't make American men feel uneasy or threatened or annoyed in quite the same way.
 
2020-06-27 6:26:49 AM  
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As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that will prevent Trump from getting another 4 years to fark this country up is my vote.

I'm white knuckling and day drinking until after the election is called.
 
2020-06-27 6:27:17 AM  

ababyatemydingo: he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-b​e​er-with


And yet, he's literally not

/ Teetotaler due to family history
 
2020-06-27 6:29:21 AM  
There's still five months to go.
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Go Vote in November!
 
2020-06-27 6:29:44 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.


Which is why the Democrats didn't take back the House, and they didn't win the gubernatorial race in KY, or win a trifecta in NC, or a Senate seat in AL, and on and on and on.

Voter suppression/manipulation is a problem, but it's a problem that can be overcome. Anyone claiming that it cannot be overcome is doing the work of the people suppressing and manipulating things, because half the battle for them is convincing people it's hopeless and they should not turn up.
 
2020-06-27 6:30:19 AM  
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2020-06-27 6:31:38 AM  
I hate these polls. I want to hear Biden is down by five until election day.

That being said, I think you're going to see Trump underperform the national GOP by at least five percent. I think there's going to be a lot of seniors in states like FL and PA and a lot of suburban moms nationwide who will go into that voting booth and tick "R" the whole way down...while leaving president blank.

Oh, and Republicans in PA were successful last year in removing straight-ticket voting from the ballot. They did so to try and fark over Philly and Pittsburgh -- taking away the "one button for D" option and making voting in already overcrowded precincts even slower -- but have inadvertently taken away the "one button for R" option and forced people to willfully choose Trump.
 
2020-06-27 6:32:51 AM  
My friends, there are 3 statisticals. Trump wins. You guys are going to be sooo pissed off.
 
2020-06-27 6:33:20 AM  
He's crazier than a shiathouse rat, but he's far more likable than she was. And infinitely more likable than his opponent.
 
2020-06-27 6:35:19 AM  
So what happens after the exit polls show a clear, decisive Biden win and the "official" results show a horserace with Trump just edging Biden out with votes in key counties? Anything at all? Protests? Would that be it? Just protests?
 
2020-06-27 6:37:09 AM  

FreakyBunny: So what happens after the exit polls show a clear, decisive Biden win and the "official" results show a horserace with Trump just edging Biden out with votes in key counties? Anything at all? Protests? Would that be it? Just protests?


There will be protests like there was for Gore.
 
2020-06-27 6:47:17 AM  
Joe Biden has that breathy sound in his voice that old people make when they can't quite connect their voice to their speech in the later phases of their lives.  If he is dead, I am still voting for him.

And it doesn't matter because all it takes is voter fraud in about 5 or 6 counties in 5 or 6 swing states, nowhere near where I live.
 
2020-06-27 6:49:08 AM  

syrynxx: How the fark do you become Senator of a state you don't live in without invisible money?


Competence. Name Recognition. The ability to raise money.
 
2020-06-27 6:52:20 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I hate these polls. I want to hear Biden is down by five until election day.

That being said, I think you're going to see Trump underperform the national GOP by at least five percent. I think there's going to be a lot of seniors in states like FL and PA and a lot of suburban moms nationwide who will go into that voting booth and tick "R" the whole way down...while leaving president blank.

Oh, and Republicans in PA were successful last year in removing straight-ticket voting from the ballot. They did so to try and fark over Philly and Pittsburgh -- taking away the "one button for D" option and making voting in already overcrowded precincts even slower -- but have inadvertently taken away the "one button for R" option and forced people to willfully choose Trump.


Biden had better start running ads in PA, at least in the greater Pittsburgh area. All I've been seeing repeatedly is an attack ad on Biden that starts with him wanting to stop fracking and continues with him "takin' our jobs away."
 
2020-06-27 6:52:42 AM  

I_told_you_so: syrynxx: How the fark do you become Senator of a state you don't live in without invisible money?

Competence. Name Recognition. The ability to raise money.


You could also ask Hillary Clinton, former senator of New York.
 
2020-06-27 7:01:47 AM  

null: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.

And people say they like a particular candidate... but they stay home on election day thinking that person has it in the bag.


Even if you think he has it in the bag vote anyway so Trump doesn't just lose but loses by the biggest possible margin.
 
2020-06-27 7:09:14 AM  
Cool. Now I can relax and not vote.
 
2020-06-27 7:11:05 AM  

Albino Squid: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.

Which is why the Democrats didn't take back the House, and they didn't win the gubernatorial race in KY, or win a trifecta in NC, or a Senate seat in AL, and on and on and on.

Voter suppression/manipulation is a problem, but it's a problem that can be overcome. Anyone claiming that it cannot be overcome is doing the work of the people suppressing and manipulating things, because half the battle for them is convincing people it's hopeless and they should not turn up.



Motherfarking this.
 
2020-06-27 7:13:00 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I hate these polls. I want to hear Biden is down by five until election day.

That being said, I think you're going to see Trump underperform the national GOP by at least five percent. I think there's going to be a lot of seniors in states like FL and PA and a lot of suburban moms nationwide who will go into that voting booth and tick "R" the whole way down...while leaving president blank.

Oh, and Republicans in PA were successful last year in removing straight-ticket voting from the ballot. They did so to try and fark over Philly and Pittsburgh -- taking away the "one button for D" option and making voting in already overcrowded precincts even slower -- but have inadvertently taken away the "one button for R" option and forced people to willfully choose Trump.


Why do you have to believe Trump is going to win before you are motivated to oppose him
 
KIA
2020-06-27 7:18:20 AM  
Yeah, but with 120 million Americans dead who is left to vote for him?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/joe-bid​e​n-wrongly-says-we-have-120-million-dea​d-from-covid/

If you think Trump says stupid stuff you haven't been listening to Biden.  The guy won't make it through a public debate.  He's senile.  Literally.
 
2020-06-27 7:20:46 AM  
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2020-06-27 7:21:13 AM  
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2020-06-27 7:23:17 AM  

ababyatemydingo: Repeated in a previous thread:

The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime

I was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But too many of my fellow white males were all like: "No farkin' way I'm voting for Hillary".  But this year we have a he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-be​er-with at the top of the ticket so I think it we can be cautiously optimistic.

/ saddened that our electoral politics are so superficial

// going to pour a whiskey.... or take a Xanax..... or both



I think you're underestimating the impact of Hillary's history and personality on the result and reducing it all to sexism.

Also, Hillary could have won this year, with all the crises that left Trump looking bad.
 
2020-06-27 7:27:45 AM  

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Thank you James Comey.
 
2020-06-27 7:36:12 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And he'll still lose because polls don't count for vote manipulation/fraud.


You spelled electoral fix wrong
 
2020-06-27 7:37:21 AM  

foo monkey: Cool. Now I can relax and not vote.


I don't know if this post is intended to be satirical or not.

But I really suggest that nobody relax and everyone votes.
 
2020-06-27 7:38:32 AM  

Animatronik: ababyatemydingo: Repeated in a previous thread:

The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime

I was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But too many of my fellow white males were all like: "No farkin' way I'm voting for Hillary".  But this year we have a he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-be​er-with at the top of the ticket so I think it we can be cautiously optimistic.

/ saddened that our electoral politics are so superficial

// going to pour a whiskey.... or take a Xanax..... or both


I think you're underestimating the impact of Hillary's history and personality on the result and reducing it all to sexism.

Also, Hillary could have won this year, with all the crises that left Trump looking bad.


Yeah, I mean, people act like Trump won some great victory. He had a hell of a lot of things going for him -- incumbent party usually struggles after two-term president, Clinton's unpopularity, the Russian interference, the Comey letter, sexism and all the rest -- and he still lost the popular vote and barely scraped by in the Electoral College.

Not that Democrats should get complacent, as not only does Biden need to win, ideally he needs to win big with a whole host of new Congressional Democrats. But there's really no reason to believe that Trump is some sort of electoral juggernaut. Dude's campaign just got outmanuevered by K-pop stans for god's sake.
 
2020-06-27 7:40:17 AM  
This just in,  people don't like Hillary.  Even Democrats.  They picked a totally unqualified Obama over her, and damn near picked a socialist who's not even a member of the party over her.  In fact, Bernie would have beaten her on a level playing field.
 
2020-06-27 7:51:04 AM  

KIA: Yeah, but with 120 million Americans dead who is left to vote for him?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/joe-bide​n-wrongly-says-we-have-120-million-dea​d-from-covid/

If you think Trump says stupid stuff you haven't been listening to Biden.  The guy won't make it through a public debate.  He's senile.  Literally.


Derp.

A slip on one word is small farking potatoes (which you can almost count to) compared to a 16-minute rant about the staggering difficulty of walking a slight incline, followed by proving you can drink water from a big boy glass.
 
2020-06-27 7:52:36 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: This just in,  people don't like Hillary.  Even Democrats.  They picked a totally unqualified Obama over her, and damn near picked a socialist who's not even a member of the party over her.  In fact, Bernie would have beaten her on a level playing field.


Except that he didn't. And for the same reason he lost this time around: he never grew his support outside his base and didn't even make an effort with black voters.
 
2020-06-27 7:54:49 AM  

I_told_you_so: syrynxx: How the fark do you become Senator of a state you don't live in without invisible money?

Competence. Name Recognition. The ability to raise money.


This right here. RFK got elected Senator in New York the same way.
 
2020-06-27 7:59:47 AM  
A few people here endlessly beseech the choir with capslock handwringing, to votevotevote, in such an off-putting "in charge of the class reunion table" way, if it wasn't about something so important, I'd be inclined to do the opposite. Of course I intend to carry on voting as I have since 1984, though once again against a horrible candidate rather than for one I might trust. I know my duty.

But here's my concern about the focus of the more fretful hands to the sky type among us: you seem not to realize that people want to back a winner. You think if people think Biden is about to lose they will rush to vote extra for him. And that is just not how most people do. It's complex, but encouraging people to be part of a success will be much more effective. They do need to know their vote can matter, but most Americans don't trust any candidate enough to think they are so profoundly different from each other, because they are not invested in the process like we are here.

How often do you see some local company say on Facebook or wherever, "We stan X," about some obviously positive thing, and they're flooded with replies telling them not to "get political?" Weirdly often, and they grow heated about their need for inertia.

This stuff scares people and they would like to avoid it, please. Setting aside the nutballs who think they're voting for or against baby killers, you won't reach a single one of the rest with your generalized capslock VOTE alarm. It's a turnoff. And they are not here in this space to begin with, so you're wasting air.

I think if we can reach non-voters at all, it'll have to be our own version of maga; make us not the embarrassing losers of Earth again, be part of the winning side. But tailored a bit individually, none of this creepy cultish vote or die sentiment. It's not outlandish to imagine scared old white people hiding instead of joining the fight, even though it's their fight, too, and young people of all colors trying to ignore as much conflict as possible because life is pretty fricking weird right now. We have to show them they can trust a side and be part of it, not order them into compliance.

You're Still Here? It's Over. Go Home.
 
2020-06-27 8:00:08 AM  

KIA: Yeah, but with 120 million Americans dead who is left to vote for him?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/joe-bide​n-wrongly-says-we-have-120-million-dea​d-from-covid/

If you think Trump says stupid stuff you haven't been listening to Biden.  The guy won't make it through a public debate.  He's senile.  Literally.


Oh, and smarting your own posts is just saaaaaaaaaaad.
 
2020-06-27 8:01:20 AM  

KIA: Yeah, but with 120 million Americans dead who is left to vote for him?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/joe-bide​n-wrongly-says-we-have-120-million-dea​d-from-covid/

If you think Trump says stupid stuff you haven't been listening to Biden.  The guy won't make it through a public debate.  He's senile.  Literally.


Please, keep it up.  I have been listening to Biden, lately. I've also been listening to Trump. You guys are going to lower expectations for Biden so much before the debates that when the real Biden shows up and not the one living in your head the audience will wonder why Trump can't even out-debate a guy with half his brain tied behind his back. It's happened before, everyone lowered their expectations of Trump so much for the debates in 2016 that, even though he still lost every debate, he was being praised for being able to tie his shoes.
 
2020-06-27 8:04:30 AM  

ababyatemydingo: Repeated in a previous thread:

The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime

I was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But too many of my fellow white males were all like: "No farkin' way I'm voting for Hillary".  But this year we have a he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-be​er-with at the top of the ticket so I think it we can be cautiously optimistic.

/ saddened that our electoral politics are so superficial

// going to pour a whiskey.... or take a Xanax..... or both


Given neither Biden nor Trump drink due to alcoholics in their families, I'd be concerned if he did

/Same reason my handle is what it is
//About the only good thing Trump is, otherwise a disaster
///Slashies for all
 
2020-06-27 8:06:08 AM  

Animatronik: ababyatemydingo: Repeated in a previous thread:

The big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that, this time, the Democratic candidate doesn't remind white male voters of:
> that crabby next door neighbor who's always griping about your leaves blowing into her yard
> that 10th grade English teacher who emasculated you for not reading the Shakespeare assignment
> that annoying middle manager who always makes the monthly budget meeting run 30 minutes overtime

I was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But too many of my fellow white males were all like: "No farkin' way I'm voting for Hillary".  But this year we have a he's-the-kind-of-guy-I-could-have-a-be​er-with at the top of the ticket so I think it we can be cautiously optimistic.

/ saddened that our electoral politics are so superficial

// going to pour a whiskey.... or take a Xanax..... or both


I think you're underestimating the impact of Hillary's history and personality on the result and reducing it all to sexism.

Also, Hillary could have won this year, with all the crises that left Trump looking bad.


shiat, she would have won a do-over election in 2016. There was instant buyers remorse.  If people actually knew that Trump could and would win the electoral votes in those three states and hand him the election without their vote, they would have turned out and voted.
 
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