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2020-06-26 8:54:46 PM  
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2020-06-26 9:02:38 PM  
Wow, so manly. This will change the direction of his failing election campaign.
 
2020-06-26 9:09:00 PM  
 
2020-06-26 10:19:31 PM  

west.la.lawyer: fark this traitor

You support him, you are against us.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/​06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties​-for-killing-us-troops/


If the revolution starts before Election Day, could I get a ride? I'll bring my own weapons and plenty of ammo.
 
2020-06-27 1:40:04 AM  
have explicitly identified themselves with ideologies -- such as Marxism -- that call for the destruction of the United States system of government.

Wait, I thought it was the Confederates that called for the destruction of the United States system of government...

/Seriously, I'm beginning to think that Trump is actually a liberal plant whose job is to make the GOP look much worse than it already was, especially since there was a more tolerant faction of the GOP that sincerely (or maybe not) believed that becoming more of a big tent party was the right direction after losing in 2012.
//Sucks to be them!
 
2020-06-27 3:37:43 AM  
I don't think angry mobs give a shiat about executive orders.
 
2020-06-27 3:41:10 AM  
Oh good, an executive order.......

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2020-06-27 3:46:39 AM  

psilocyberguy: west.la.lawyer: fark this traitor

You support him, you are against us.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/​06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties​-for-killing-us-troops/

If the revolution starts before Election Day, could I get a ride? I'll bring my own weapons and plenty of ammo.


Ass, grass, or gas.
 
2020-06-27 3:49:18 AM  
Unless they plan on putting a guard at every statue this isn't going to do anything more than what the current laws can already accomplish.
 
2020-06-27 3:50:08 AM  
Steve Bannon claimed to be a Leninist don't forget to round him up when you start sending pps to the Gulag(Alaska ?).
 
2020-06-27 3:50:49 AM  
They don't want to destroy the US government.

Just certain of the people running it.
 
2020-06-27 3:50:58 AM  

bluewave69: Steve Bannon claimed to be a Leninist don't forget to round him up when you start sending pps to the Gulag(Alaska ?).


Detroit
 
2020-06-27 4:03:37 AM  
So the crux of his order is to... hashtag defund the police.

If it works for statues, it should work for people.
 
2020-06-27 4:05:34 AM  
So, that document is, literally in writing, a presidential order that literally goes against the 1st amendment of the US Constitution.

Our military swears an Oath to that document.

Foreign AND DOMESTIC.
 
2020-06-27 4:08:16 AM  
Umm, it's not just confederate statutes being torn down any more. Terminal white guilt is cool and all, but people like Churchill or Jefferson shouldn't be defaced. The statues will eventually be destroyed by savage mobs, but it doesn't have to be in our lifetimes.
 
2020-06-27 4:11:28 AM  

Jiggatron69: Oh good, an executive order.......

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2020-06-27 4:13:20 AM  
Wait, I thought we were cool with communists now?
 
2020-06-27 4:18:37 AM  

psilocyberguy: west.la.lawyer: fark this traitor

You support him, you are against us.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/​06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties​-for-killing-us-troops/

If the revolution starts before Election Day, could I get a ride? I'll bring my own weapons and plenty of ammo.


Most of the lefties I know who own guns are better shots and more responsible than the Meal Team 6. windowlickers I have no choice but to encounter. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, sure, but I'm just sayin'.

/gun owner
 
2020-06-27 4:27:37 AM  
If an executive order doesn't actually order anything isn't it more of an open letter?
 
2020-06-27 4:34:58 AM  
His EO reads like some erotic fanfiction that Joe McCarthy once  wrote.
 
2020-06-27 4:35:18 AM  
I was going to ask why those who would want to destroy the US Government would go around destroying statues of the folks who fought against the US government, but then I remembered that Republicans aren't big on logic.
 
2020-06-27 4:35:31 AM  
Oh, so Trump wants to protect treason? So it's a day ending in Y.
 
2020-06-27 4:42:37 AM  
We should build a bunch of statues of Groucho.

Repainting the mustache can be part of the tradition.
 
2020-06-27 5:06:03 AM  
Ironic that most of the statues in question are of traitors who wanted to take down the US government to begin with.
 
2020-06-27 5:08:02 AM  

The Zen Philosopher Basho: bluewave69: Steve Bannon claimed to be a Leninist don't forget to round him up when you start sending pps to the Gulag(Alaska ?).

Detroit


Jacksonville
 
2020-06-27 5:16:08 AM  
Marx is one of the founding theorists of modern economic theory, anyone self-identifying as a "Marxist" is at least 80% more legitimate than anyone identifying as Austrian School or Free Market economics, since both of those are fake economic theories intentionally designed around basic observed facts that had already been proved to be entirely objectively false at the time they were founded.

Trying to play the Red Scare card is going to get you limited mileage 30 farking years after the institution the fearmongering was about went away, sorry.  The vast majority of the modern population of the US doesn't know Marx as the scary founder of the Great Enemy, they know him as one of a dozen neutral-in-themselves economic theorists at the root of modern econ theory, equivalent to Adam Smith, basically.  Like... Adam Smith's theories were directly responsible for chattel slavery, sure, but they weren't incorrect.  Same with Marx, now that the shiattiest crap people did using his work as justification is largely behind us it's no longer the monster under the bed, it's "when shiatty people want to be shiatty they'll find any excuse, more at 11".

Like... Marxist political and economic theory underlaid most of the US economy in the 20th century too, we just didn't say it out loud for propaganda reasons (the same reasons we always bring up Marx and his scary sounding foreign name and not Engels, who would kind of give away that Communism originated as a BRITISH economic and political movement to the casual reader).  One of the reasons we've had several major economic crashes since Reagan and are now in the middle stages of a Depression is because the people who bought into the propaganda and actually tried to make us stop following Marxist theory kinda just... caused us to stop following all reality-based factual economic theory, period, in the process, because Marx is sort of to economics what Newton was to physics: he's been superseded by further developments, sure, but try to yank Newton out of physics entirely and you just end up with some nonsensical gibberish which serves no one.

// If you want to know what people with an actual functional education hear when you blather on about Marxism and how we need to avoid it and it's evil or whatever the fark, just mentally substitute "Adam Smith" for "Karl Marx".  Does the complaint still sound legitimate?  Does it now sound like the stupidest farking thing you've heard all week?  Consider this your high-school social-studies discussion question of the day.
 
2020-06-27 5:44:08 AM  

mrparks: We should build a bunch of statues of Groucho.

Repainting the mustache can be part of the tradition.


For some reason I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Groucho:  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies."
 
2020-06-27 5:44:34 AM  
Do the clowns realize that Lincoln, Grant and Columbus were not Confederates?
 
2020-06-27 5:45:44 AM  

Boo_Guy: Unless they plan on putting a guard at every statue this isn't going to do anything more than what the current laws can already accomplish.


In DC they have a lot of unarmed DC national guard watching them with the police, which are armed.  The DC guard has problems with being used like that. A lot of members were telling unit psychologists that they had problems with facing off against protesters and felt they should be protecting them from the police.
 
2020-06-27 6:27:13 AM  

The Zen Philosopher Basho: bluewave69: Steve Bannon claimed to be a Leninist don't forget to round him up when you start sending pps to the Gulag(Alaska ?).

Detroit


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2020-06-27 6:57:00 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Marx is one of the founding theorists of modern economic theory, anyone self-identifying as a "Marxist" is at least 80% more legitimate than anyone identifying as Austrian School or Free Market economics, since both of those are fake economic theories intentionally designed around basic observed facts that had already been proved to be entirely objectively false at the time they were founded.

Trying to play the Red Scare card is going to get you limited mileage 30 farking years after the institution the fearmongering was about went away, sorry.  The vast majority of the modern population of the US doesn't know Marx as the scary founder of the Great Enemy, they know him as one of a dozen neutral-in-themselves economic theorists at the root of modern econ theory, equivalent to Adam Smith, basically.  Like... Adam Smith's theories were directly responsible for chattel slavery, sure, but they weren't incorrect.  Same with Marx, now that the shiattiest crap people did using his work as justification is largely behind us it's no longer the monster under the bed, it's "when shiatty people want to be shiatty they'll find any excuse, more at 11".

Like... Marxist political and economic theory underlaid most of the US economy in the 20th century too, we just didn't say it out loud for propaganda reasons (the same reasons we always bring up Marx and his scary sounding foreign name and not Engels, who would kind of give away that Communism originated as a BRITISH economic and political movement to the casual reader).  One of the reasons we've had several major economic crashes since Reagan and are now in the middle stages of a Depression is because the people who bought into the propaganda and actually tried to make us stop following Marxist theory kinda just... caused us to stop following all reality-based factual economic theory, period, in the process, because Marx is sort of to economics what Newton was to physics: he's been superseded by further developments, sure, but try to yank Newton out of physics entirely and you just end up with some nonsensical gibberish which serves no one.

// If you want to know what people with an actual functional education hear when you blather on about Marxism and how we need to avoid it and it's evil or whatever the fark, just mentally substitute "Adam Smith" for "Karl Marx".  Does the complaint still sound legitimate?  Does it now sound like the stupidest farking thing you've heard all week?  Consider this your high-school social-studies discussion question of the day.


If you take Communism out of the picture -- disregarding the dozens of Communist revolutions, the revolutionary decolonisation of the global South, the half-century of Cold War geopolitics, all that stuff -- Karl Marx would still be the most influential philosopher of the 1800s.

His elaborations on Smith and Ricardo updated their concepts of property, labour value, production and improvement from the agricultural estates to the industrial factory. His philosophy of historical materialism created the "forces and trends" school of history (as opposed to the "great men" school) that has represented the historical mainstream for the last century. His analysis of the broader extended relationships in the factors of production (e.g., workers, their families, their communities, their institutions) is one of the core foundations of the entire field of sociology. Any time you're doing any sort of analysis where the focus is ultimately on material conditions, you're doing Marxism.
 
2020-06-27 6:57:57 AM  
One. Provide one singular example of *anyone* in an even vague capacity that could be considered a leadership position that is an avowed Marxist.
/dumb motherfarker probably doesn't know who Marx was
 
2020-06-27 7:03:18 AM  

dickfreckle: psilocyberguy: west.la.lawyer: fark this traitor

You support him, you are against us.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/​06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties​-for-killing-us-troops/

If the revolution starts before Election Day, could I get a ride? I'll bring my own weapons and plenty of ammo.

Most of the lefties I know who own guns are better shots and more responsible than the Meal Team 6. windowlickers I have no choice but to encounter. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, sure, but I'm just sayin'.

/gun owner


Bunch of this. I am a pretty vocal liberal, when people start talking about dumb conservative ideas and opinions I will throw in my opinion and a good debate going. The reaction when they find out I can talk guns is typically in the range of "but, but your liberal, I didn't know you owned guns, I thought all liberals want to repeal the 2nd amendment" I have helped several of my conservative friends improve their gun safety and shot accuracy. I have also had to teach more than a few how to sight their firearms, select ammunition, properly breakdown/clean and store their firearms.
 
2020-06-27 7:03:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Marx is one of the founding theorists of modern economic theory, anyone self-identifying as a "Marxist" is at least 80% more legitimate than anyone identifying as Austrian School or Free Market economics, since both of those are fake economic theories intentionally designed around basic observed facts that had already been proved to be entirely objectively false at the time they were founded.

Trying to play the Red Scare card is going to get you limited mileage 30 farking years after the institution the fearmongering was about went away, sorry.  The vast majority of the modern population of the US doesn't know Marx as the scary founder of the Great Enemy, they know him as one of a dozen neutral-in-themselves economic theorists at the root of modern econ theory, equivalent to Adam Smith, basically.  Like... Adam Smith's theories were directly responsible for chattel slavery, sure, but they weren't incorrect.  Same with Marx, now that the shiattiest crap people did using his work as justification is largely behind us it's no longer the monster under the bed, it's "when shiatty people want to be shiatty they'll find any excuse, more at 11".

Like... Marxist political and economic theory underlaid most of the US economy in the 20th century too, we just didn't say it out loud for propaganda reasons (the same reasons we always bring up Marx and his scary sounding foreign name and not Engels, who would kind of give away that Communism originated as a BRITISH economic and political movement to the casual reader).  One of the reasons we've had several major economic crashes since Reagan and are now in the middle stages of a Depression is because the people who bought into the propaganda and actually tried to make us stop following Marxist theory kinda just... caused us to stop following all reality-based factual economic theory, period, in the process, because Marx is sort of to economics what Newton was to physics: he's been superseded by further developments, sure, but try to yank Newton out of physics entirely and you just end up with some nonsensical gibberish which serves no one.

// If you want to know what people with an actual functional education hear when you blather on about Marxism and how we need to avoid it and it's evil or whatever the fark, just mentally substitute "Adam Smith" for "Karl Marx".  Does the complaint still sound legitimate?  Does it now sound like the stupidest farking thing you've heard all week?  Consider this your high-school social-studies discussion question of the day.


Unfortunate counterpoint based on realistic standards and attainment levels of public school education outside the coastal corridors:

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2020-06-27 7:16:20 AM  
That said, to say that Communism was a British development is sort of oversimplifying things. Marx and Engels were both German, both members of the German Young Hegelian circle, and both significantly influenced by German philosophy.

Communism is like a mashup of all the 19th-century intellectual currents. To get to Communism, you start with observations of miserable and exploitative English industrial conditions, analyse them by extending Scottish classical economics, extend that to society at large by drawing on the Hegelian distinction of the physical world and the world of ideas (but "flipping Hegal on his head" so physical conditions precede ideas), contextualise society not as static but as a Hegelian progression through history, come up with a solution for solving the problem of society drawing on French socialism and revolutionary vanguard politics, and adapt that solution from the observed failures of 1848.

There's a reason Marx has been so enormously popular among the intelligentsia for the past century and a half. His theories are like the Avengers: Infinity War of Continental philosophy. Everything is tied together, as if the previous century of thought only existed to lead up to Marx.
 
2020-06-27 7:41:17 AM  
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2020-06-27 7:54:11 AM  

somniferous sloth: One. Provide one singular example of *anyone* in an even vague capacity that could be considered a leadership position that is an avowed Marxist.
/dumb motherfarker probably doesn't know who Marx was


I think a big surprise a lot of people have when they read Marx is how radical he isn't. He's not Stalin; he's not Mao. Marx himself is quite tame compared to his successors. His "dictatorship of the proletariat" simply means that workers will eventually become such a large proportion of the population they will eventually constitute an electoral majority (having cast off by revolution all undemocratic elements such as police suppression or hereditary rule)
To Marx word "dictatorship" only signifies that the worker majority would not need to negotiate but could simply pass reforms on its own.

(This was both incredibly poorly worded and naively optimistic. Almost everyone in America is proletarian, i.e. they work for wages rather than live off investment capital or inherited privilege or grow food in a feudal arrangement... turns out people don't just vote their class interests. There's been like 150 years of academics trying to explain this in various ways.)

But what Marx actually thought his Dictatorship of the Proletariat would do? Guy wasn't actually all that radical. The only part of the Communist Manifesto that makes any concrete proposals whatsoever are -- with one big exception -- things the proletarian electoral majority has actually achieved or could very well achieve in the next generation. And most of them happened organically without any need for revolution of any sort!

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. 
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.


This one is the one that isn't going to happen at time soon. But as for the rest:

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Yep.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

All political rights of inheritance (e.g. titles of nobility) now no longer exist or are purely ornamental in most countries.

Entirely eradicating inheritance of property isn't going to happen soon, but taxation of inheritance very much is a thing and could (and should) be massively expanded.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We don't really have a problem with billionaires fleeing the country in response to left-wing governments winning power and then using their estates to fund rebellions, so not really relevant, but if Jeff Bezos were to move to Russia and declare war on the United States I don't think anyone would have much of a problem with America seizing his assets.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State
capital and an exclusive monopoly.


Yeah that's pretty much how it works. All credit and all money originates from a national bank, and the government has the right to regulate and license all other banks.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

Nationalised communication grids and transportation grids exist to some extent in every nation; the only question is how much is public, how much is public-private, and how much is privatised.


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into
cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a
common plan.


Again, state development of and investment in industry, and national regulatory agencies for agriculture, are not really controversial. Everyone does that.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

What Marx wanted here was the industrialisation of agriculture and replacement of the old village structured under the noble patron with wage labor. This also happened, though not under state control.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all thedistinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over
the country.


Yeah, this happened too. Small mixed industrial-agricultural towns are everywhere. Cities are now ringed with comfortable suburbs gradually merging into countryside, rather than being a million people crammed within a mile of a cluster of factories and then empty countryside for hundreds of miles.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in itspresent form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

Yes, yes, and yes. Free public schools are universal. Child labour is banned. Factories need to provide adequate workplace training and safety guidance.

And that's it, that's all Marx said about what his Communist utopia would look like. In a lot of ways we're living in it already; in some other ways it's achievable through mainstream electoral politics.
 
2020-06-27 8:07:10 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: [Fark user image image 425x425]


"How stupid do you think I am?"

"That's what I'm testing."
 
2020-06-27 8:10:00 AM  
Like one of the characters in William Gibson's Idoru says

"Since the fall of the Soviet Union, we Russians have learned that everything Marx wrote about Communism was false, and everything he wrote about Capitalism was true."
 
2020-06-27 8:27:27 AM  
Well, I for one will be doing my Civic Duty to destroy today's America, because today's America is abhorrently destroying America, by voting Blue and informing the People the need to vote Blue.

Trump and the GOP willfully violated the US Constitution by following the whims of the GOP and RNC by placing themselves above the law and due process.


Restoring the full Constitution to every person ant to not exclude elected officials is paramount to the sanctity of America.

/STOP THE COUP VOTE BLUE
//Never stop fighting for your, the People's Rights, no matter where they hide.
 
2020-06-27 8:38:23 AM  
It has just occurred to me that perhaps the REAL reason Donnieboy is outlawing defacing and pulling down statues is because he doesn't want that to happen to the thousands of statues of HIMSELF he undoubtedly intends to put up everywhere he possibly can.
 
2020-06-27 8:39:00 AM  

WithinReason: Wait, I thought we were cool with communists now?


Well he does want to make a trade  deal with them ...and he does suck up to Putin... and got billions from them personally.
 
2020-06-27 8:44:24 AM  
Because it is more important to save the lives of statues than to save the lives of people. After all, people have control over their actions but those poor statues, just standing there at the mercy of others.
 
2020-06-27 8:44:36 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: It has just occurred to me that perhaps the REAL reason Donnieboy is outlawing defacing and pulling down statues is because he doesn't want that to happen to the thousands of statues of HIMSELF he undoubtedly intends to put up everywhere he possibly can.


Made out of gold with a scary looking face like Nathan Bedford Forrest
 
2020-06-27 8:45:27 AM  

nyclon: Pants full of macaroni!!: It has just occurred to me that perhaps the REAL reason Donnieboy is outlawing defacing and pulling down statues is because he doesn't want that to happen to the thousands of statues of HIMSELF he undoubtedly intends to put up everywhere he possibly can.

Made out of gold with a scary looking face like Nathan Bedford Forrest


Yes, and rippled with muscle like Ben Garrison always depicts him.
 
2020-06-27 8:48:45 AM  
Ah...the ever popular and decisive "Protestors are poopy-heads" EO.

This is sure to sting the folks who want police to stop killing them.
 
2020-06-27 8:53:56 AM  
Look, Repeat Offender was a great album and if saying so lumps me in with people who want to destroy the US government, then so be it.
 
2020-06-27 9:06:22 AM  
Marx has nothing to do with it.
 
2020-06-27 9:08:42 AM  
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2020-06-27 9:24:33 AM  

HighOnCraic: /Seriously, I'm beginning to think that Trump is actually a liberal plant whose job is to make the GOP look much worse than it already was, especially since there was a more tolerant faction of the GOP that sincerely (or maybe not) believed that becoming more of a big tent party was the right direction after losing in 2012.


Yeah, well thought that about W.

There is no bottom.
 
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