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(ABC 15)   Company behind "magical" coronavirus filtration system used by church that held Trump rally gets slapped by the Arizona AG   (abc15.com) divider line
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2020-06-26 3:08:41 PM  
FTFA:The AG warned Dream City Church, which rents out space for public events, including this week's President Trump rally, that it may be violating the Arizona Consumer Fraud Act with false claims.

So despite giving blatantly misleading claims about their new filtration system (not to mention violating IRS rules by hosting a political event), they're being told "STOP! Or I'll stay 'stop' again!"

The idiots who sold and installed it are in actual trouble... the church just gets a little "tsk tsk" and nothing more.
 
2020-06-26 4:54:42 PM  

clkeagle: the church just gets a little "tsk tsk" and nothing more.


It's a miracle they got that much of a punishment, and not the least bit surprising that they didn't get more.

The IRS can't punish them because they worship Jesus™, which means that any sort of punishment for using their church as a political venue (or for pretty much anything at all) automagically counts as an assault on their religious liberties.
 
2020-06-26 9:47:26 PM  

clkeagle: FTFA:The AG warned Dream City Church, which rents out space for public events, including this week's President Trump rally, that it may be violating the Arizona Consumer Fraud Act with false claims.

So despite giving blatantly misleading claims about their new filtration system (not to mention violating IRS rules by hosting a political event), they're being told "STOP! Or I'll stay 'stop' again!"

The idiots who sold and installed it are in actual trouble... the church just gets a little "tsk tsk" and nothing more.


The idiots who sold and installed it are the church leadership
 
2020-06-26 9:48:27 PM  

King Something: clkeagle: the church just gets a little "tsk tsk" and nothing more.

It's a miracle they got that much of a punishment, and not the least bit surprising that they didn't get more.

The IRS can't punish them because they worship Jesus™, which means that any sort of punishment for using their church as a political venue (or for pretty much anything at all) automagically counts as an assault on their religious liberties.


I'm so over churches getting special treatment.
 
2020-06-26 9:48:54 PM  
Slapped?  "May be violating..."  Ooooh.  I'm sure they're shaking.
 
2020-06-26 9:49:17 PM  
Isn't this really a matter for the Ministry of Magic?
 
2020-06-26 9:51:39 PM  
I assume Faith-Based-Filtration is just as effective as traditional prayer.

/not at all but maybe you get lucky anyhow
 
2020-06-26 9:52:02 PM  
 
2020-06-26 9:54:23 PM  

bk3k: Faith-Based-Filtration


Hey, we've all had that Taco Bell moment.
 
2020-06-26 9:55:21 PM  
Hmm. He's Republican.

So Arizona Anal Geyser it is then.
 
2020-06-26 10:07:20 PM  

qorkfiend: clkeagle: FTFA:The AG warned Dream City Church, which rents out space for public events, including this week's President Trump rally, that it may be violating the Arizona Consumer Fraud Act with false claims.

So despite giving blatantly misleading claims about their new filtration system (not to mention violating IRS rules by hosting a political event), they're being told "STOP! Or I'll stay 'stop' again!"

The idiots who sold and installed it are in actual trouble... the church just gets a little "tsk tsk" and nothing more.

The idiots who sold and installed it are the church leadership


And if the church hasn't been paid for the rally by now they have some more bad news coming
 
2020-06-26 10:09:28 PM  
You can pray for a quick death... but I'm pretty sure that's about all you can hope for, Christians.

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2020-06-26 10:11:42 PM  

fusillade762: A local winery has installed something similar.  Our AG hasn't made any moves on them that I'm aware of.

"Called ActivePure Technology, and commercially available since 2013 as the Air Scrubber Plus, the key to its function is a proprietary blend of reactive metals added to the original titanium dioxide coating. When exposed to ultraviolet light, these metals mix with the surrounding air and humidity to produce charged clusters of hydrogen and oxygen such as hydrogen peroxide, hydroxyls, and superoxide ions, which are antimicrobial agents also found in nature."


Well, ActivePure is actually a NASA spinoff originally developed to keep plants from ripening too fast by getting rid of ethylene.

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2015/​c​g_7.html

I doubt the AG would be able to say anything about that.

This "Clean Air EXP" thing is just some woo BS cooked up by a couple of church members.
 
2020-06-26 10:12:03 PM  
What-a-bout renting a church out for political use .. Is that a Johnson Amendment issue ..
 
2020-06-26 10:14:26 PM  

Jgok: fusillade762: A local winery has installed something similar.  Our AG hasn't made any moves on them that I'm aware of.

"Called ActivePure Technology, and commercially available since 2013 as the Air Scrubber Plus, the key to its function is a proprietary blend of reactive metals added to the original titanium dioxide coating. When exposed to ultraviolet light, these metals mix with the surrounding air and humidity to produce charged clusters of hydrogen and oxygen such as hydrogen peroxide, hydroxyls, and superoxide ions, which are antimicrobial agents also found in nature."

Well, ActivePure is actually a NASA spinoff originally developed to keep plants from ripening too fast by getting rid of ethylene.

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2015/c​g_7.html

I doubt the AG would be able to say anything about that.

This "Clean Air EXP" thing is just some woo BS cooked up by a couple of church members.


If they were an honest company they wouldn't have made the sale.

They did.

Money trumps truth.
 
2020-06-26 10:16:36 PM  
Interesting that it's in Phx...

Way back in the late '90s, when I worked at a brewery in downtown Phx, our boss(the owner) brought in an ionization system that some of his former Boy Scouts had designed and were trying to get off the ground. I wonder if this was related?

I mean, this shiat was rather cool. It basically made particulates in the air fall to the ground, and it worked. I hung out with some friends after work up in our banquet room area, drinking beer and playing pool. They were all smoking cigars and my normal hacking/coughing/throat clearing shiat that I've done my whole life wasn't affected an more than on a normal day.

But for a virus? I don't really buy it. Also, it says it would take 10 minutes to kill the 'rona in that hall. How do you do that? Have all 3,000 people enter one at a time, with a 10 minute break between each person?
 
2020-06-26 10:18:52 PM  

Mikey1969: I mean, this shiat was rather cool. It basically made particulates in the air fall to the ground, and it worked.


And stick to surfaces.

Which people touch.

It was a lie. It was always a lie. If it was real, literally every food service place in the country would be required to have such systems installed.
 
2020-06-26 10:24:38 PM  
I was a bit skeptical about their ability to ionize droplets from every cougher, including nicotine addicts who are the main vectors in phase two due to low grade infections.
 
2020-06-26 10:43:27 PM  

mikalmd: What-a-bout renting a church out for political use .. Is that a Johnson Amendment issue ..


Nope, that was discussed... It's a separate hall, it's probably specifically zoned that way. Whether it's a wedding or a political rally, it would be legit because it wasn't the actual church building. Someone on here was mentioning that their Masonic Lodge would do the same thing, a separate hall that could be rented out for events.
 
2020-06-26 10:44:15 PM  
LMAO, you can't make this shiat up!! So a n95 mask will trap the virus, but running air thru a hepa filter won't? Granted the air filtration system won't work until the virus wanders around the church for 20 minutes but still they are not wrong in claiming that it will catch the virus.
 
2020-06-26 10:49:37 PM  

Mikey1969: mikalmd: What-a-bout renting a church out for political use .. Is that a Johnson Amendment issue ..

Nope, that was discussed... It's a separate hall, it's probably specifically zoned that way. Whether it's a wedding or a political rally, it would be legit because it wasn't the actual church building. Someone on here was mentioning that their Masonic Lodge would do the same thing, a separate hall that could be rented out for events.


It's probably not, but the state won't look and the GOP has deliberately gutted the IRS so they can't look.

You can bet not ONE dollar involved there was taxed.
 
2020-06-26 11:08:35 PM  

fusillade762: A local winery has installed something similar.  Our AG hasn't made any moves on them that I'm aware of.

"Called ActivePure Technology, and commercially available since 2013 as the Air Scrubber Plus, the key to its function is a proprietary blend of reactive metals added to the original titanium dioxide coating. When exposed to ultraviolet light, these metals mix with the surrounding air and humidity to produce charged clusters of hydrogen and oxygen such as hydrogen peroxide, hydroxyls, and superoxide ions, which are antimicrobial agents also found in nature."


UV-C and dry peroxide are both agents that can be used to reduce pathogens in the air stream. I have not heard of using one to generate the other though.
 
2020-06-27 9:27:16 AM  
Back sometime between 2003 and 2006, one of the schools I substituted at had recurring bouts of some viral illness. Compared to Covid-19, it was a fount of nothing, but some of the parents began to complain about how frequently their kids got sick when school was in session versus when there was a break. The school attempted to buy air filtration devices for each school.

I suppose the school was lucky to get an honest salesperson. She was forthright about the fact that she had extremely expensive machines that would do an excellent job of removing bacteria from the air, but it wasn't possible to purchase a portable machine that would effectively remove viruses from a classroom with a teacher, two aides, and 30 four year olds milling about.

Also, I agree with others here. When it comes to health and safety, a place of worship should not get exceptions. Nor should their tenants. Prior to the implementation of social distancing, it's something I brought up on multiple occasions regarding a tenant at where we worshiped in the before-time. The tenants ran a preschool during weekdays. IMO, they had to be watched CONSTANTLY or they would block fire exits, clutter the walls and classrooms, creep into space they had not paid to rent, leave ground level windows unlocked, and leave objects and conditions that posed a safety hazard to young children laying about. They were a pain in the ass, but we don't believe in and do not pass a collection plate. So, they were a crucial pain in the ass.
 
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