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2020-06-26 2:19:51 PM  
or possibly because the stigma has been reduced you realize you actually know someone in the LGBT community personally and they aren't here to rape you or what ever. they are just people who spend as little time having sex as you do. it doesn't define them.
 
2020-06-26 2:47:10 PM  
Took me half my life to get over it. Now my only problem with them is there's only one parade per year.  Those things are a ducking blast.
 
2020-06-26 7:34:07 PM  
I was raised in a very strict extremely Conservative Baptist family and until I moved out at 19, I was made to attend church every Sunday.

'If yer alive and yer breathing, yer ass is going to church. Be sick on yer own time, not God's', is what my father told us. He even accused me of faking a flu, to avoid church, even though I had a 101 fever.

'An hour at church ain't gonna kill ya'

He was truly a radical fundie who honestly loved the religion more than his own kids.

I finally moved out at 19 and have never stepped foot in that hypocritical cesspool sense
 
2020-06-26 8:14:57 PM  
In the United States, 72% of people now say being gay should be accepted, compared to 49% in 2007

That's actually pretty kind of amazing. I don't know how old you all are but by the time you close in on 40, 13 years isn't a very long time at all (especially when you haven't achieved anything in that time) so that kind of change in that short time is impressive.

I've always loved lesbians of course but I'm not going to lie and say I've never made a gay joke. But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate, since the gay is pretty low on the list of things that pisses off God. It's not even in the New Testament at all.
 
2020-06-26 8:28:26 PM  
Mugato:
But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate

Sadly growing up with a religious fanatic of a father, I know it all too well. They truly hate anyone different than themselves.

I'll give you a scenario. On my 21st birthday, my mom and dad took me and my older sister to Las Vegas, and my mom, sister and I went to see Siegfried and Roy, but my father absolutely refused to go, and said 'it was a front to homosexuality the audience'

And the really sad fact, is he absolutely believed it. But then again he also believed blacks should 'know their place', too. So consider the sourcd
 
2020-06-26 8:38:33 PM  
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2020-06-26 8:44:46 PM  
Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.

It's mostly about how the Chosen People refuse to obey God, over and over, despite miracles being dropped in front of them all the time. Aside from a few plagues and stuff, God mostly forgives them anyway, which is nice. I liked the Sermon on the Mount -- that was about the only part that I thought had any significant value.

Oh yeah, and the Bible spends a whoooole lot of time talking about how women are property/second-class humans. No penis, no direct line to Heaven. That seemed to be the main theme. Kinda funny how you don't hear much about that in church discussions, but everybody knows teh homogayz are teh eeevil.
 
2020-06-26 9:35:14 PM  
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2020-06-26 9:36:53 PM  
Well, right now, whether you're straight or LGBTQ+, your only sex partner is Lefty Palm and his five friends.
 
2020-06-26 9:37:25 PM  
The Obvious tag must be undergoing conversion therapy.
 
2020-06-26 9:42:15 PM  

Mugato: In the United States, 72% of people now say being gay should be accepted, compared to 49% in 2007

That's actually pretty kind of amazing. I don't know how old you all are but by the time you close in on 40, 13 years isn't a very long time at all (especially when you haven't achieved anything in that time) so that kind of change in that short time is impressive.

I've always loved lesbians of course but I'm not going to lie and say I've never made a gay joke. But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate, since the gay is pretty low on the list of things that pisses off God. It's not even in the New Testament at all.


In my high school years in a Northern California high school, we had people make jokes of gays (like any other high schooler), but I never saw or heard of any overt physical violence or outright seething hatred for gays. Then, I went to college in a Southern California university and people were outright vocal and palpably indignant about gays. It wasn't even just the, "Eww! fudge-packer!" comments, which were rife, but, "I'd kill one if they so much as come near me!"

That was a shock because it's one thing to disagree on sexual preferences. It's another to want to kill someone for their preferences. It's like having a preference for red wine versus white wine ("Eww, merlot!?! Who drinks that shiat?") and outright threatening violence for being near some ("Anybody bring a rosé to this table is going to have to see my fist in their face!") It's absurd.
 
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2020-06-26 9:42:58 PM  

chucknasty: or possibly because the stigma has been reduced you realize you actually know someone in the LGBT community personally and they aren't here to rape you or what ever. they are just people who spend as little time having sex as you do. it doesn't define them.


I have a coworker who is gay and another coworker who is married to a conservative non-evangelic minister, probably voted for Trump  and believes gays are going to hell.  They are both religious, very well educated, have worked together for nearly 20 years and generally get along well, but her beliefs have not changed.  She mostly doesn't want to discuss it, which is fine, but it's a shame she can't put her ability to use logic and reason to get past that absurd bias.
 
2020-06-26 9:43:10 PM  

snowjack: Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.

It's mostly about how the Chosen People refuse to obey God, over and over, despite miracles being dropped in front of them all the time. Aside from a few plagues and stuff, God mostly forgives them anyway, which is nice. I liked the Sermon on the Mount -- that was about the only part that I thought had any significant value.

Oh yeah, and the Bible spends a whoooole lot of time talking about how women are property/second-class humans. No penis, no direct line to Heaven. That seemed to be the main theme. Kinda funny how you don't hear much about that in church discussions, but everybody knows teh homogayz are teh eeevil.


To say nothing about how much God hates people who horde money and don't help others with it
 
2020-06-26 9:45:41 PM  

snowjack: Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.

It's mostly about how the Chosen People refuse to obey God, over and over, despite miracles being dropped in front of them all the time. Aside from a few plagues and stuff, God mostly forgives them anyway, which is nice. I liked the Sermon on the Mount -- that was about the only part that I thought had any significant value.

Oh yeah, and the Bible spends a whoooole lot of time talking about how women are property/second-class humans. No penis, no direct line to Heaven. That seemed to be the main theme. Kinda funny how you don't hear much about that in church discussions, but everybody knows teh homogayz are teh eeevil.


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2020-06-26 9:49:26 PM  

snowjack: Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.


Hell, was masturbation even mentioned? The story of Onan is about the dude pullin' out when God wanted him to impregnate his dead brother's wife.
 
2020-06-26 9:50:56 PM  

snowjack: Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.

It's mostly about how the Chosen People refuse to obey God, over and over, despite miracles being dropped in front of them all the time. Aside from a few plagues and stuff, God mostly forgives them anyway, which is nice. I liked the Sermon on the Mount -- that was about the only part that I thought had any significant value.

Oh yeah, and the Bible spends a whoooole lot of time talking about how women are property/second-class humans. No penis, no direct line to Heaven. That seemed to be the main theme. Kinda funny how you don't hear much about that in church discussions, but everybody knows teh homogayz are teh eeevil.


I agree that it's not a focus in most of the Bible, but it's not exactly spoken of highly when it is addressed, either in the Old or New Testaments. The Old Testament talks about it in the various books of the law, (usually in the same sections where it addresses incest and beastiality.)  Jesus never addresses it directly, but does only refer to marriage between men and women (Matthew 19:5) and describe even lust between non-married people as equivalent to adultery.

Paul talks about homosexuality a few times, with the most problematic passage being Romans 1:24-27:

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."


Note that this is a theological argument: God gave people who failed to acknowledge him properly over to behavior that Paul viewed as highly degrading.

So yeah. There's nothing in the Bible that says that Christians should be obsessing about gayness the way that they do, but if the Bible spends 99% of its text not worried about gays but calls gayness a degrading sin the rest of the time, well...as Paul said, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump." (Galatians 5:9)

/ The two stories from the NT that more liberal Christians like to cite as accepting of gay/queer people are the story of the Centurion's servant and the one about Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch
// I've always felt that these were an extreme reach, because the absolute best that you can conclude is that their respective statuses didn't prevent them from receiving either a lifesaving healing or becoming the target of preaching, which isn't the same as actual acceptance
 
2020-06-26 9:51:39 PM  

TuckFrump: I was raised in a very strict extremely Conservative Baptist family and until I moved out at 19, I was made to attend church every Sunday.

'If yer alive and yer breathing, yer ass is going to church. Be sick on yer own time, not God's', is what my father told us. He even accused me of faking a flu, to avoid church, even though I had a 101 fever.

'An hour at church ain't gonna kill ya'

He was truly a radical fundie who honestly loved the religion more than his own kids.

I finally moved out at 19 and have never stepped foot in that hypocritical cesspool sense


My late partner was permanently f*cked up by the fact that his mother would choose Jesus over him in a heartbeat.
 
2020-06-26 10:08:21 PM  

TuckFrump: Mugato:
But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate

Sadly growing up with a religious fanatic of a father, I know it all too well. They truly hate anyone different than themselves.

I'll give you a scenario. On my 21st birthday, my mom and dad took me and my older sister to Las Vegas, and my mom, sister and I went to see Siegfried and Roy, but my father absolutely refused to go, and said 'it was a front to homosexuality the audience'

And the really sad fact, is he absolutely believed it. But then again he also believed blacks should 'know their place', too. So consider the sourcd


I don't know what's more offensive: his hatred, his stupidity, or his use of "homosexuality" as a transitive verb.

//glad you got out
 
2020-06-26 10:08:47 PM  
I grew up in a conservative Catholic home. Despite the fact that my sister and I were hauled to mass twice a week and that "Clinton" was a dirty word, my parents never tried to force their religious or political views on either of us. Now, are they happy that we're both liberal and no longer practicing Catholics? No. I'm sure if they had their druthers, we'd have turned out just like they did. However, they were and are smart enough to understand that children have to make their own way in the world and figure shiat out for themselves.

Our parents didn't teach us to hate. Our schools didn't teach us to hate. I wonder sometimes if my parents are an exception rather than the rule or if the fact they're Catholic and not Talibangelical has anything to do with it. Of course, the latter group doesn't even think the former are Christians, but that's because they're idiots.
 
2020-06-26 10:10:07 PM  

dericwater: Mugato: In the United States, 72% of people now say being gay should be accepted, compared to 49% in 2007

That's actually pretty kind of amazing. I don't know how old you all are but by the time you close in on 40, 13 years isn't a very long time at all (especially when you haven't achieved anything in that time) so that kind of change in that short time is impressive.

I've always loved lesbians of course but I'm not going to lie and say I've never made a gay joke. But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate, since the gay is pretty low on the list of things that pisses off God. It's not even in the New Testament at all.

In my high school years in a Northern California high school, we had people make jokes of gays (like any other high schooler), but I never saw or heard of any overt physical violence or outright seething hatred for gays. Then, I went to college in a Southern California university and people were outright vocal and palpably indignant about gays. It wasn't even just the, "Eww! fudge-packer!" comments, which were rife, but, "I'd kill one if they so much as come near me!"

That was a shock because it's one thing to disagree on sexual preferences. It's another to want to kill someone for their preferences. It's like having a preference for red wine versus white wine ("Eww, merlot!?! Who drinks that shiat?") and outright threatening violence for being near some ("Anybody bring a rosé to this table is going to have to see my fist in their face!") It's absurd.


You've never said something nice about Miracle Whip in a mayonnaise thread, have you?
 
2020-06-26 10:11:21 PM  
I'm not sure if it's true now but the Catholic Church I attended growing up in the 80's made no mention of the ghays are bad, and this was during the start of the AIDS epidemic where other religious "leaders" where quick to start the "AIDS is god punishment to homosexuals" nonsense.

Guess I was lucky
 
2020-06-26 10:16:38 PM  

dericwater: Mugato: In the United States, 72% of people now say being gay should be accepted, compared to 49% in 2007

That's actually pretty kind of amazing. I don't know how old you all are but by the time you close in on 40, 13 years isn't a very long time at all (especially when you haven't achieved anything in that time) so that kind of change in that short time is impressive.

I've always loved lesbians of course but I'm not going to lie and say I've never made a gay joke. But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate, since the gay is pretty low on the list of things that pisses off God. It's not even in the New Testament at all.

In my high school years in a Northern California high school, we had people make jokes of gays (like any other high schooler), but I never saw or heard of any overt physical violence or outright seething hatred for gays. Then, I went to college in a Southern California university and people were outright vocal and palpably indignant about gays. It wasn't even just the, "Eww! fudge-packer!" comments, which were rife, but, "I'd kill one if they so much as come near me!"

That was a shock because it's one thing to disagree on sexual preferences. It's another to want to kill someone for their preferences. It's like having a preference for red wine versus white wine ("Eww, merlot!?! Who drinks that shiat?") and outright threatening violence for being near some ("Anybody bring a rosé to this table is going to have to see my fist in their face!") It's absurd.


You don't get to "disagree" on sexual "preferences," though, either--that's already bad and wrong.  We don't use the term "sexual preference" any more, because it's not a preference--it's an identity.  Sometimes you'll hear "sexual orientation" or "sexuality," but no one should be calling it a preference any more.  One of the reasons we no longer do that is the scenario you talk about in your post.  

Saying things like, "Gay?  Ewww gross" is completely dehumanizing.  It's not the same as not liking pineapple on pizza or the color blue, because it's just something that we are, and we can't change it.
 
2020-06-26 10:19:18 PM  
So uh ... yeah, there's a reason that a huge part of the queer community hates religion.

I grew up Catholic, but I grew up in a liberal, progressive household.  We were allowed to talk about religion and social issues, and we were encouraged to ask questions.  (It probably helped that my father was a teacher.)  Any religion that discourages or forbids you from exposing yourself to things that will challenge your beliefs is a cult--even Biblical figures had their faith tested, so why do you think you should get to shield yourself from it?  Cowards.
 
2020-06-26 10:19:37 PM  

LordJiro: snowjack: Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.

Hell, was masturbation even mentioned? The story of Onan is about the dude pullin' out when God wanted him to impregnate his dead brother's wife.


The most commonly attributed reference is indirect: In Matthew 5, when Jesus is saying that attitudes are just as condemnable as actions, he says that anyone who looks on a woman with lust "has committed adultery with her in his heart." He then goes on talk about cutting off your right hand if it causes you to sin, which is not infrequently speculated to be a masturbation reference.

This emphasis on lust occasionally leads to a lot of weird anxiety among Evangelicals: Are you morally culpable for having a sexy dream? Is it okay to masturbate if you keep your mind blank and don't think about doing it with the hot barista who very briefly touched your hand when she gave you your coffee? What's the line between thinking about how a woman is pretty and "lust?"

It burns a hell of a lot of mental energy, because in the time you've spent worrying about whether or not your you sinned by looking half a second longer than you should have at the bra strap of the young woman walking down the street in front of you, a normal person would have just cranked one out and gone on with their day.

/ Bonus fun link: A page from the Billy Graham evangelistic association with a meditation on the topic: "You cannot help the first look, but the second look is sin."
 
2020-06-26 10:24:58 PM  

austerity101: dericwater: Mugato: In the United States, 72% of people now say being gay should be accepted, compared to 49% in 2007

That's actually pretty kind of amazing. I don't know how old you all are but by the time you close in on 40, 13 years isn't a very long time at all (especially when you haven't achieved anything in that time) so that kind of change in that short time is impressive.

I've always loved lesbians of course but I'm not going to lie and say I've never made a gay joke. But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate, since the gay is pretty low on the list of things that pisses off God. It's not even in the New Testament at all.

In my high school years in a Northern California high school, we had people make jokes of gays (like any other high schooler), but I never saw or heard of any overt physical violence or outright seething hatred for gays. Then, I went to college in a Southern California university and people were outright vocal and palpably indignant about gays. It wasn't even just the, "Eww! fudge-packer!" comments, which were rife, but, "I'd kill one if they so much as come near me!"

That was a shock because it's one thing to disagree on sexual preferences. It's another to want to kill someone for their preferences. It's like having a preference for red wine versus white wine ("Eww, merlot!?! Who drinks that shiat?") and outright threatening violence for being near some ("Anybody bring a rosé to this table is going to have to see my fist in their face!") It's absurd.

You don't get to "disagree" on sexual "preferences," though, either--that's already bad and wrong.  We don't use the term "sexual preference" any more, because it's not a preference--it's an identity.  Sometimes you'll hear "sexual orientation" or "sexuality," but no one should be calling it a preference any more.  One of the reasons we no longer do that is the scenario you talk about in your post.  

Saying things like, "Gay?  Ewww gross" is completely dehumanizing.  ...


I don't disagree with you. Except we're talking about 40 years ago, dude.
 
2020-06-26 10:27:27 PM  
Martian_Astronomer:"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were infl ...


Yeah! Romans 1. My favorite Bible passage for when people quote out of context.  Do you know who else are "denied the Kingdom of God"?

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
2020-06-26 10:29:36 PM  

rosekolodny: TuckFrump: I was raised in a very strict extremely Conservative Baptist family and until I moved out at 19, I was made to attend church every Sunday.

'If yer alive and yer breathing, yer ass is going to church. Be sick on yer own time, not God's', is what my father told us. He even accused me of faking a flu, to avoid church, even though I had a 101 fever.

'An hour at church ain't gonna kill ya'

He was truly a radical fundie who honestly loved the religion more than his own kids.

I finally moved out at 19 and have never stepped foot in that hypocritical cesspool sense

My late partner was permanently f*cked up by the fact that his mother would choose Jesus over him in a heartbeat.


Oof. That could be me.  Except for the late part.
 
2020-06-26 10:29:40 PM  

LordJiro: snowjack: Before I read the Bible, I figured (based on talking with religious people) that there was all kinds of discussion in the Book about the evils of homosexuality and masturbation. When I actually read it, I was surprised to find almost nothing about either one. It's really not discussed much at all.

Hell, was masturbation even mentioned? The story of Onan is about the dude pullin' out when God wanted him to impregnate his dead brother's wife.



Some religions folks focus on the "spilling seed" part as the sin to push their "any form of non-vaginal intercourse" is sinful when in fact the sin was disobey god for being unwilling to impregnate Tamar and his reason was Greed, one of the deadly sins.

This was known as levirate marriage and had Onan and Tamar had a son the son would have inherited Er (the dead brother/husband) property, however if no child was born then Onan would get Er property.

The Bible doesn't say what happen to Er other then God killing him for being "wicked"
 
2020-06-26 10:31:56 PM  

dericwater: austerity101: dericwater: Mugato: In the United States, 72% of people now say being gay should be accepted, compared to 49% in 2007

That's actually pretty kind of amazing. I don't know how old you all are but by the time you close in on 40, 13 years isn't a very long time at all (especially when you haven't achieved anything in that time) so that kind of change in that short time is impressive.

I've always loved lesbians of course but I'm not going to lie and say I've never made a gay joke. But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate, since the gay is pretty low on the list of things that pisses off God. It's not even in the New Testament at all.

In my high school years in a Northern California high school, we had people make jokes of gays (like any other high schooler), but I never saw or heard of any overt physical violence or outright seething hatred for gays. Then, I went to college in a Southern California university and people were outright vocal and palpably indignant about gays. It wasn't even just the, "Eww! fudge-packer!" comments, which were rife, but, "I'd kill one if they so much as come near me!"

That was a shock because it's one thing to disagree on sexual preferences. It's another to want to kill someone for their preferences. It's like having a preference for red wine versus white wine ("Eww, merlot!?! Who drinks that shiat?") and outright threatening violence for being near some ("Anybody bring a rosé to this table is going to have to see my fist in their face!") It's absurd.

You don't get to "disagree" on sexual "preferences," though, either--that's already bad and wrong.  We don't use the term "sexual preference" any more, because it's not a preference--it's an identity.  Sometimes you'll hear "sexual orientation" or "sexuality," but no one should be calling it a preference any more.  One of the reasons we no longer do that is the scenario you talk about in your post.  

Saying things like, "Gay?  Ewww gross" is completely ...


I know that.  It's still important to point it out for those who don't get it yet.  You're not the only one reading this exchange.
 
2020-06-26 10:32:54 PM  

whither_apophis: Martian_Astronomer:"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were infl ...

Yeah! Romans 1. My favorite Bible passage for when people quote out of context.  Do you know who else are "denied the Kingdom of God"?

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


True, but including same-sex sex in that list is not exactly an endorsement.
 
2020-06-26 10:58:30 PM  

aagrajag: TuckFrump: Mugato:
But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate

Sadly growing up with a religious fanatic of a father, I know it all too well. They truly hate anyone different than themselves.

I'll give you a scenario. On my 21st birthday, my mom and dad took me and my older sister to Las Vegas, and my mom, sister and I went to see Siegfried and Roy, but my father absolutely refused to go, and said 'it was a front to homosexuality the audience'

And the really sad fact, is he absolutely believed it. But then again he also believed blacks should 'know their place', too. So consider the sourcd

I don't know what's more offensive: his hatred, his stupidity, or his use of "homosexuality" as a transitive verb.

//glad you got out


That was a typo on my part. Meant to say 'homosexualize'. Stupid auto correct
 
2020-06-26 11:02:35 PM  
Religion should be discussed as fervently as Harry Potter and for the same reasons.
 
2020-06-26 11:07:05 PM  

TuckFrump: aagrajag: TuckFrump: Mugato:
But I never did get the hate, especially religious based hate

Sadly growing up with a religious fanatic of a father, I know it all too well. They truly hate anyone different than themselves.

I'll give you a scenario. On my 21st birthday, my mom and dad took me and my older sister to Las Vegas, and my mom, sister and I went to see Siegfried and Roy, but my father absolutely refused to go, and said 'it was a front to homosexuality the audience'

And the really sad fact, is he absolutely believed it. But then again he also believed blacks should 'know their place', too. So consider the sourcd

I don't know what's more offensive: his hatred, his stupidity, or his use of "homosexuality" as a transitive verb.

//glad you got out

That was a typo on my part. Meant to say 'homosexualize'. Stupid auto correct


No worries. It added some humour to your otherwise-depressing post.
 
2020-06-26 11:20:53 PM  

chucknasty: or possibly because the stigma has been reduced you realize you actually know someone in the LGBT community personally and they aren't here to rape you or what ever. they are just people who spend as little time having sex as you do. it doesn't define them.


Or possibly you realized that who was f**king who doesn't really matter to you. Why would I ever care if two guys or two girls are f**king? Does it actually hurt me? No? Are they both consenting adults? Yes? Then why should I give a shiat?
 
2020-06-26 11:25:17 PM  

inglixthemad: chucknasty: or possibly because the stigma has been reduced you realize you actually know someone in the LGBT community personally and they aren't here to rape you or what ever. they are just people who spend as little time having sex as you do. it doesn't define them.

Or possibly you realized that who was f**king who doesn't really matter to you. Why would I ever care if two guys or two girls are f**king? Does it actually hurt me? No? Are they both consenting adults? Yes? Then why should I give a shiat?


Yep and as I've said in the past: Straight people don't worry about gay sex
 
2020-06-27 12:14:20 AM  
Homosexuality is a sin.
Adultery is a sin.
Divorce is a sin.
Out-of-wed-lock sex is a sin.
Pork is a sin.
Shelfish is a sin.
Mixed fabric is a sin.
Tattoos are a sin.
Working on Sunday is a sin.
Saying "God Dammit" or "jesus Christ! " is a sin.
There are plenty of sins, I don't get what make the gays so special.
 
2020-06-27 5:55:52 AM  

foo monkey: Took me half my life to get over it. Now my only problem with them is there's only one parade per year.  Those things are a ducking blast.


No parade this year I'm afraid!
 
2020-06-27 12:54:13 PM  
Why not both?

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100% (history+art) = 0% smut
 
2020-06-27 3:11:23 PM  

tjsands1118: Homosexuality is a sin.
Adultery is a sin.
Divorce is a sin.
Out-of-wed-lock sex is a sin.
Pork is a sin.  Got the OK from St. Peter
Shelfish is a sin.
Mixed fabric is a sin.
Tattoos are a sin.
Working on Sunday is a sin.
Saying "God Dammit" or "jesus Christ! " is a sin.
There are plenty of sins, I don't get what make the gays so special.


It's almost the last thing pastors have to shame people and make them give them money
 
2020-06-27 3:36:41 PM  

punkwrestler: foo monkey: Took me half my life to get over it. Now my only problem with them is there's only one parade per year.  Those things are a ducking blast.

No parade this year I'm afraid!


Yeah, it sucks.  I got a shirt that says, "FREE HUGS" and everything.
 
2020-06-27 5:40:47 PM  

foo monkey: punkwrestler: foo monkey: Took me half my life to get over it. Now my only problem with them is there's only one parade per year.  Those things are a ducking blast.

No parade this year I'm afraid!

Yeah, it sucks.  I got a shirt that says, "FREE HUGS" and everything.


Yeh it really kinda sucks, but what can you do.
 
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