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2020-06-26 8:04:13 AM  
Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.
 
2020-06-26 8:13:58 AM  
No it's not, and this sort of idiocy is why it can sometimes be so easy to make his opponents look like idiots.
 
2020-06-26 8:28:18 AM  
This article first appeared in Michelangelo Signorile's newsletter, where it should have died the quiet death it deserved.

But no.

We have to drag out the rotting corpse and play with the maggots.
 
2020-06-26 8:54:51 AM  
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2020-06-26 8:56:09 AM  
Abby- Norm?
 
2020-06-26 9:37:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.


'Negligent genocide' is a pillar of Trump's legacy.
 
2020-06-26 9:38:50 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This article first appeared in Michelangelo Signorile's newsletter, where it should have died the quiet death it deserved.

But no.

We have to drag out the rotting corpse and play with the maggots.


I can't say that I see the harm in the article.
What exactly do you find so objectionable about it?
Honestly, I don't see a lot of value in it either, as it simply rehashes what we already know - but it seems harmless.
What sinister thing am I missing?
 
2020-06-26 9:39:10 AM  
'Negligent genocide' is a pillar of Trump's legacy.

"Negligent Genocide" is the name of my hillbilly punk band.
 
2020-06-26 9:39:14 AM  
If you really want your hot take article to take off you need to coin an unnecessary new term. I suggest Negligent Nationslaughter.
 
2020-06-26 9:40:09 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.


Jared's hoarding and redirecting of PPE probably required more planning than Slobodan Milosovic's death squads. Also, the federal government's use of resources to hunt and seize PPE from state's was not incompetence by aby stretch. Neither was the messaging for re-opening any more planning than the radio stations that yelled "Kill the cockroaches" in Rwanda.

I can go on. Every step of COVID was a coordinated genocide, with examples in previous genocides.
 
2020-06-26 9:40:32 AM  
Unfortunately, this is exactly the same kind of garbage tRump's slaves respond to.  It's bad math, bad logic, and it's stupid.  Let it die.

- Was tRump's response criminally incompetent?  Yes
- Were Republicans criminally complicit in said incompetence?  Yes
- Should they be held liable for failing to faithfully execute their duties to their country?  Yes.


- Was it all a plot to kill off brown people?  Not even remotely.  That would imply a level of competence and planning not demonstrated in the Republican party for over a decade, now.
 
2020-06-26 9:40:34 AM  
Covidiot-45.

And, the GOP is complicit.
 
2020-06-26 9:41:40 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Neither was the messaging for re-opening any more less planning than the radio stations that yelled "Kill the cockroaches" in Rwanda.


FTFM - Still on my first coffee.
 
2020-06-26 9:43:48 AM  

A Cave Geek: Was it all a plot to kill off brown people?


I think it was a known and predictable consequence, and was accepted as icing on the cake.
Maybe it wasn't the whole, or even main objective - but is that really the issue?
Somebody signed off on it, knowing it would happen.
 
2020-06-26 9:44:58 AM  
He's holding rallies for mostly white people. The people who are emulating his non-mask-wearing are generally white. The people who downplay the virus because of him are often white. So...
 
2020-06-26 9:45:08 AM  
It's not Trump, it's everyone taking advantage of the void he has created in the White House.   There are many people who will probably never have to answer for the destruction being wrought right now.
 
2020-06-26 9:53:02 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.


Trump is a moron, but he's been consistent on a few things since he entered the public sphere in the 1980s. One is his neo-mercantilist notion of trade. The other is his notion that some people are inherently superior to others because of good genes. The latter has often shown itself in his contempt for minorities, the poor, and the vulnerable. A sideline to this is his consistent fear of black people.

The notion that part of why Trump is so disinterested in dealing with the coronavirus is that it disproportionately affects people he believes are inferior or weak is in complete keeping with his documented beliefs of the last 40+ years.

One doesn't need to believe he's some brilliant strategist to suspect this is part of what is going on.
 
2020-06-26 9:54:55 AM  
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
 
2020-06-26 9:55:02 AM  

A Cave Geek: Unfortunately, this is exactly the same kind of garbage tRump's slaves respond to.  It's bad math, bad logic, and it's stupid.  Let it die.

- Was tRump's response criminally incompetent?  Yes
- Were Republicans criminally complicit in said incompetence?  Yes
- Should they be held liable for failing to faithfully execute their duties to their country?  Yes.


- Was it all a plot to kill off brown people?  Not even remotely.  That would imply a level of competence and planning not demonstrated in the Republican party for over a decade, now.


You're missing the point that if it was EVER mentioned to Trump that the Gynavirus would impact minority communities much harder than others that he would have latched on to that as the "upshot" and it would forever color his opinions on it. For man who makes ridiculous self-justification of his stupid actions the norm, I can't see it happening any other way.
 
2020-06-26 9:57:32 AM  

A Cave Geek: - Was it all a plot to kill off brown people?  Not even remotely.  That would imply a level of competence and planning not demonstrated in the Republican party for over a decade, now.


Deciding to basically do nothing doesn't really require much "competence and planning."

I do it all the time on the spur of the moment.
 
2020-06-26 9:57:40 AM  
You libs are ignoring the real story here.  Joe Biden said millions rather thousands the other day, therefore the pandemic is over, Trump wins reelection by default and Patchface is Azor Ahai.
 
2020-06-26 9:58:45 AM  

Pocket Ninja: No it's not, and this sort of idiocy is why it can sometimes be so easy to make his opponents look like idiots.


"look like"?
 
2020-06-26 10:02:15 AM  

eiger: Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.

Trump is a moron, but he's been consistent on a few things since he entered the public sphere in the 1980s. One is his neo-mercantilist notion of trade. The other is his notion that some people are inherently superior to others because of good genes. The latter has often shown itself in his contempt for minorities, the poor, and the vulnerable. A sideline to this is his consistent fear of black people.

The notion that part of why Trump is so disinterested in dealing with the coronavirus is that it disproportionately affects people he believes are inferior or weak is in complete keeping with his documented beliefs of the last 40+ years.

One doesn't need to believe he's some brilliant strategist to suspect this is part of what is going on.


You know, everything you said was right.  He probably is thinking that his superior genes, which he's mentioned many times, will protect him.  At the same time, he's thinking people with inferior genes will be hurt, and he has a distinct opinion on who that is.

But is this more about the people dying or about the promotion of an image about himself?  I think it's the latter.  Is negligent genocide a thing?  Ignorant genocide?
 
2020-06-26 10:03:06 AM  

jso2897: A Cave Geek: Was it all a plot to kill off brown people?

I think it was a known and predictable consequence, and was accepted as icing on the cake.
Maybe it wasn't the whole, or even main objective - but is that really the issue?
Somebody signed off on it, knowing it would happen.


Correct.  criminal incompetence.  genocide is coordinated, planned and prepared.  This was just "let them die because I don't like them enough to help".  While the end result is the same, (innocent people died when many could have been saved) it's less "Gas chamber genocide" and more "I know you're drowning, but I don't like you enough to throw you so much as one of my empty beer bottles to float on." from the re-publicans.
 
2020-06-26 10:03:11 AM  
In Phoenix this week Trump spoke to group of 3000 "Students for Trump," a mostly maskless sea of young, white faces and bright red MAGA hats in a city that is seeing a frightening surge in coronavirus cases. He told the college students, gathered in an evangelical church: "You're the elite. You are. You're smarter, better looking. You have a better future."

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2020-06-26 10:07:31 AM  
In agreement with most of the above comments.  Also, he's holding mass rallies of his own supporters, and a big chunk of his supporters think Covid is some overblown plot to ruin Trump's chances of re-election.  Chances are higher these people will contract the Rona over the population who stay at home. Trump doesn't care who gets it.

There is no genocide.  It's criminal negligence.
 
2020-06-26 10:07:37 AM  
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2020-06-26 10:17:46 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.


Done in one.
 
2020-06-26 10:25:35 AM  
Trump runs the country the same way he raised his children: He wants all the credit for it and none of the responsibility and acts like everyone else is supposed to act as his nannies.  He's like someone who leaves his kid in a hot car while he goes gambling: his intent isn't to kill them, but the potential to enrich himself takes priority over any effort to ensure their safety.
 
2020-06-26 10:25:45 AM  

A Cave Geek: jso2897: A Cave Geek: Was it all a plot to kill off brown people?

I think it was a known and predictable consequence, and was accepted as icing on the cake.
Maybe it wasn't the whole, or even main objective - but is that really the issue?
Somebody signed off on it, knowing it would happen.

Correct.  criminal incompetence.  genocide is coordinated, planned and prepared.  This was just "let them die because I don't like them enough to help".  While the end result is the same, (innocent people died when many could have been saved) it's less "Gas chamber genocide" and more "I know you're drowning, but I don't like you enough to throw you so much as one of my empty beer bottles to float on." from the re-publicans.


So as a practical matter - the exact same thing, ethically.
Okay.
 
2020-06-26 10:27:41 AM  

Rapmaster2000: But is this more about the people dying or about the promotion of an image about himself?  I think it's the latter.  Is negligent genocide a thing?  Ignorant genocide?


It's both rapped up in a big shiat-sandwich of toxic narcissism and eugenics.

I don't like the use of the term genocide here though. It doesn't really fit the bill because even Trump knows this won't kill that many people. It fits better for the AIDS epidemic, the analogy drawn in the article.
 
2020-06-26 10:27:44 AM  
Everything bad is genocide, because everything bad disproportionately affects non-whites, because whites have the advantage.

Wait, that would be silly.

Put me down with those who feel some intent and action is required along with specific targeting to call something genocide. There is also a matter of scope and scale. While I don't exactly what percentage of a group must be targeted for destruction in order to meet it, it strikes me that less than 1% probably isn't it.
 
2020-06-26 10:32:28 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.

Jared's hoarding and redirecting of PPE probably required more planning than Slobodan Milosovic's death squads. Also, the federal government's use of resources to hunt and seize PPE from state's was not incompetence by aby stretch. Neither was the messaging for re-opening any more planning than the radio stations that yelled "Kill the cockroaches" in Rwanda.

I can go on. Every step of COVID was a coordinated genocide, with examples in previous genocides.


The deaths are a side-effect of Trump and his criminal clan's greed and incompetence. Giving money intended for qualified medical supply companies to inexperienced cronies, hoarding needed medical equipment and forcing states to waste precious resources obtaining the equipment, testing delays, etc. This is all Trump's and his enablers's fault.
 
2020-06-26 10:37:26 AM  
Words mean things.

It is most definitely not a genocide.

Reaching for the most horrible label you can maybe fit on something like slipping the round peg through the square hole only because the round peg is smaller, is just bad journalism.
 
2020-06-26 10:49:50 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.


so...all the deaths are OK by you, Mr Genocide?

Yeah...you are now and forever farked as Genocidal Psychopath.
 
2020-06-26 10:56:18 AM  
Good thing we're not going to do anything about it for 4 months.
 
2020-06-26 11:00:28 AM  

PickleBarrel: Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.

so...all the deaths are OK by you, Mr Genocide?

Yeah...you are now and forever farked as Genocidal Psychopath.


X is not genocide ≠ X is ok.

Do you understand the above and were being a dishonest shiat for brains?
Or do you not understand the above and are just a shiat for brains?
 
2020-06-26 11:05:15 AM  

PickleBarrel: Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.

so...all the deaths are OK by you, Mr Genocide?

Yeah...you are now and forever farked as Genocidal Psychopath.


You forgot to insert Hitler. I mean it's kind of implied already, so it's curious you didn't explicitly include it..
 
2020-06-26 11:08:06 AM  
Perhaps we should tell him he might have more people at his Nazi rallies if he allowed more people to remain healthy
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2020-06-26 11:11:19 AM  

starsrift: PickleBarrel: Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.

so...all the deaths are OK by you, Mr Genocide?

Yeah...you are now and forever farked as Genocidal Psychopath.

You forgot to insert Hitler. I mean it's kind of implied already, so it's curious you didn't explicitly include it..


At least Hitler killed Hitler.
 
2020-06-26 11:17:30 AM  
Criminally negligent for sure.
 
2020-06-26 11:19:32 AM  
Since the opposite of love is indifference, it's easy to imagine Trump simply not giving a shiat about COVID-19 victims. But it's also easy to imagine that angry spiteful toddler wishing ill on whole constituencies who don't typically vote his way.

There's probably both of those things, and worse, roiling inside that shiatty soul of his.
 
2020-06-26 11:42:28 AM  
FTFA:

"People of color have been disproportionately affected and that became clear in New York at the outset of the pandemic, where Black and Latino people were twice as likely to die, something that played out in cities and rural areas across America. Add to that the elderly and the infirm affected disproportionate by coronavirus - and thus seen as expendable by some in order to save the economy - and you have a worldview that is quite sinister."

Was anyone refused a hospital bed and/or treatment in New York?

The MSM wants to ignore the stead 0.2% death rate, preferring instead to run daily headlines about OMG NEW CASES EVERYBODY PANIC!

Newsflash: people who are already very unhealthy are at risk, no matter what color they are. But nice way to make this another BLM talking point.
 
2020-06-26 11:46:48 AM  
I mean, he clearly doesn't plan anything, other than when his next attention whoring appearance is going to be.

But STUPID KILLS PEOPLE JUST LIKE COMPETENT EVIL DOES.

It may look like simple bumblefarking, but the non-response was somebody's plan, I assure you. Maybe not his, but someone said, "You know, Mr. President, we don't need those useless CDC people for pandemic response, that's a ridiculous waste of money, we're not in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need to be spending money on preventing something that isn't gonna happen, we could use that money for the wall."

And he grunted, "OK, sure, do that." And that's what happened.

Not planning for disaster allows disaster to happen/get worse. Ask New Orleans. Or New York City.
 
2020-06-26 1:24:01 PM  
Stalin didn't kill over 20 million Russians, hunger did.
 
2020-06-26 2:14:26 PM  

Smackledorfer: PickleBarrel: Rapmaster2000: Eh, most genocides imply some level of planning.  This was just incompetent magical thinking.  Trump doesn't even know that this kills more black and latino people.  Someone mentioned it once in a meeting, but he wasn't listening.

Stop thinking there is anything resembling a strategy in this man's head.  There was never a 5th dimensional chess game going on.

so...all the deaths are OK by you, Mr Genocide?

Yeah...you are now and forever farked as Genocidal Psychopath.

X is not genocide ≠ X is ok.

Do you understand the above and were being a dishonest shiat for brains?
Or do you not understand the above and are just a shiat for brains?


Do you seriously think the only way to commit genocide is by gassing, or pulling the trigger of a gun?

Just because you kill people slowly, brutally, and in hidden ways, does not negate the fact that 30,000 people a year dying for lack of healthcare is genocide.

Systemic police brutality and murder is genocide.

Ripping children from their families and killing them in cages is genocide.

To pretend otherwise means you are a genocidal psychopath.

I don't give a flying fark what you think, you are still a genocidal psychopath.
 
2020-06-26 3:46:13 PM  

Summoner101: At least Hitler killed Hitler.


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2020-06-26 5:01:18 PM  

PickleBarrel: Do you seriously think the only way to commit genocide is by gassing, or pulling the trigger of a gun?


I stopped reading at your new strawman.

Saying X isn't genocide doesn't mean X is ok. Lots of non-genocide is bad.

Saying X isn't genocide doesn't mean Y is or isn't genocide.

If you cannot understand those things, I feel sorry for you. Even if you believe a person is wrong about what exactly is or isn't genocide (and you've yet to make a solidly defined category here or even argued your point beyond personal attacks), that doesn't mean you get to accurately label them a psychopath.

Why would you think otherwise?
 
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Smackledorfer: PickleBarrel: Do you seriously think the only way to commit genocide is by gassing, or pulling the trigger of a gun?

I stopped reading at your new strawman.


Yelling "strawman" does not stop the genocide.  If you are at the beginning stages of genocide, it's still genocide.  If you hide the brutalization and murder in laws, it's still genocide.

There is no strawman here, it's the systemic brutalization and murder of people.  It's dehumanizing them to make it easier to do so. It's the hateful rhetoric to convince people to allow or participate in it.

Don't feel sorry for me for recognizing what genocide is.  I feel sorry for you who ignore it, allow it, condone it, and participate in it.  Because that makes you less than human and we should be better than that.
 
6 days ago  

PickleBarrel: Smackledorfer: PickleBarrel: Do you seriously think the only way to commit genocide is by gassing, or pulling the trigger of a gun?

I stopped reading at your new strawman.

Yelling "strawman" does not stop the genocide.  If you are at the beginning stages of genocide, it's still genocide.  If you hide the brutalization and murder in laws, it's still genocide.

There is no strawman here, it's the systemic brutalization and murder of people.  It's dehumanizing them to make it easier to do so. It's the hateful rhetoric to convince people to allow or participate in it.

Don't feel sorry for me for recognizing what genocide is.  I feel sorry for you who ignore it, allow it, condone it, and participate in it.  Because that makes you less than human and we should be better than that.


You're a bit slow aren't ya?
 
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