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2020-06-25 11:10:59 PM  
The Bolt is a fantastic car.
 
2020-06-26 1:01:02 AM  
I've had a biatchen Camaro and a Silverado, I was pretty happy with those. Lots of hard working trucks still on the road.

And to be fair an old gf had a chevette?. That was the US Yugo of the times. What a mess they've been.
 
2020-06-26 1:12:47 AM  
The factory makes the expensive and ugly XT5 and XT6's.  Oh, and the Acadia.  Which comes in at #18 (out of 22) in Midsized SUVs.

Any real wonder sales are slow?
 
2020-06-26 1:42:51 AM  
Fool me once, GM, shame on you.
Fool me twice, and forget it. You had your chance.
 
2020-06-26 2:29:06 AM  
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2020-06-26 7:14:16 AM  
That hasn't been true since the 90s, rip van subby
 
2020-06-26 7:45:14 AM  
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"stay away from those.  they are endless money pits"
 
2020-06-26 8:49:36 AM  

Likwit: The Bolt is a fantastic car.


It's boring, but I wanted one. No matter how I did the math I could not qualify for the tax credit (would have lost several thousand of it).
 
2020-06-26 11:40:34 AM  
I was highly considering a Chevy Cruze, which of course they scrapped so they could focus on their monstrosities that they call trucks/suvs., so no Chevy for me!
 
2020-06-26 12:35:35 PM  
I've owned two GM products, and have been happy with both. A 2005 regular cab, long bed, 2wd 6cyl silverado. Bought it with 130k on the clock, beat the everloving fark out of it for 100k more, sold it cheap to a kid at work last year and he still drives it daily. I had to replace the brake lines, and the power steering pump went shortly after i sold it. The thing is indestructible.

Got a '13 sierra now. Bought with 40k, put another 15 on. I think I'm starting to hear a wheel bearing, easy enough to fix. Other than that it's been solid.
 
2020-06-26 1:31:25 PM  
My Grandfather worked on the Cadillac line (Local 22) and my great grandfather worked on the Fisher Body line. We've had the family plan discount all my life and my parents still own GM cars. The last new GM I bought was a 2007 Cadillac CTS. I sold it when the warranty was up in 2009 and haven't purchased another since then.

In contrast, I still own my 2003 BMW 325i I purchased a bit after. Even though it's a similar era design, the BMW was a good decade ahead of the Cadillac in quality and build. The cheap feel of the Cadillac, along with the fact that my previous GM purchase blew it's motor at 15k miles, has kept me from coming back to any American cars.
 
2020-06-26 4:11:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: Likwit: The Bolt is a fantastic car.

It's boring, but I wanted one. No matter how I did the math I could not qualify for the tax credit (would have lost several thousand of it).


It sucks, yeah. It's a pretty regressive policy (as in subsidizes the wealthy at the expense of the lower class, not the opposite of progress... I had a guy jump on my dick in another thread about that and he was so angry he wouldn't let it go). Most countries do a flat subsidy, but for some reason we have to run every goddamn thing through the IRS.
 
2020-06-26 4:24:49 PM  

MBZ321: I was highly considering a Chevy Cruze, which of course they scrapped so they could focus on their monstrosities that they call trucks/suvs., so no Chevy for me!


I picked up my 2018 Cruze the very day GM announced the manual transmission was eliminated for 2019 models. About 12 months later the last Cruze PERIOD came off the line in Lordstown.
 
2020-06-26 4:26:51 PM  

Likwit: mrmopar5287: Likwit: The Bolt is a fantastic car.

It's boring, but I wanted one. No matter how I did the math I could not qualify for the tax credit (would have lost several thousand of it).

It sucks, yeah. It's a pretty regressive policy (as in subsidizes the wealthy at the expense of the lower class, not the opposite of progress... I had a guy jump on my dick in another thread about that and he was so angry he wouldn't let it go). Most countries do a flat subsidy, but for some reason we have to run every goddamn thing through the IRS.


I firmly believe the subsidy should have had income cap phase puts, MSRP cap phase outs, and have been able to carry over for 3-5 tax years. That tax credit should have been exclusively for middle class buyers with those three things.
 
2020-06-26 7:49:38 PM  
Don't worry.  Those coal jobs are just a little ways away.
 
2020-06-26 7:54:16 PM  

mrmopar5287: Likwit: mrmopar5287: Likwit: The Bolt is a fantastic car.

It's boring, but I wanted one. No matter how I did the math I could not qualify for the tax credit (would have lost several thousand of it).

It sucks, yeah. It's a pretty regressive policy (as in subsidizes the wealthy at the expense of the lower class, not the opposite of progress... I had a guy jump on my dick in another thread about that and he was so angry he wouldn't let it go). Most countries do a flat subsidy, but for some reason we have to run every goddamn thing through the IRS.

I firmly believe the subsidy should have had income cap phase puts, MSRP cap phase outs, and have been able to carry over for 3-5 tax years. That tax credit should have been exclusively for middle class buyers with those three things.


Or at the very least make it a refundable tax credit. The fact that it was non-refundable should have made people angry from the start.
 
2020-06-26 8:31:43 PM  

Likwit: mrmopar5287: Likwit: mrmopar5287: Likwit: The Bolt is a fantastic car.

It's boring, but I wanted one. No matter how I did the math I could not qualify for the tax credit (would have lost several thousand of it).

It sucks, yeah. It's a pretty regressive policy (as in subsidizes the wealthy at the expense of the lower class, not the opposite of progress... I had a guy jump on my dick in another thread about that and he was so angry he wouldn't let it go). Most countries do a flat subsidy, but for some reason we have to run every goddamn thing through the IRS.

I firmly believe the subsidy should have had income cap phase puts, MSRP cap phase outs, and have been able to carry over for 3-5 tax years. That tax credit should have been exclusively for middle class buyers with those three things.

Or at the very least make it a refundable tax credit. The fact that it was non-refundable should have made people angry from the start.


A coworker of mine bought a total piece-of-shiat EV (Mitsubishi) based upon this claim from the salesman. I never could tell if the salesman was a moron, if he lied to them, or probably both. They (her and husband) were specifically told they would get $7,500 back on their taxes and they only got about $2,200 (because that's all they owed that year).

I advised her to take that to small claims court. With both her and the husband remembering that oral promise from the salesman, it would have been worth the filing fee to see if the dealership would pay up. They didn't do it.
 
2020-06-26 9:05:10 PM  

mrmopar5287: Likwit: mrmopar5287: Likwit: mrmopar5287: Likwit: The Bolt is a fantastic car.

It's boring, but I wanted one. No matter how I did the math I could not qualify for the tax credit (would have lost several thousand of it).

It sucks, yeah. It's a pretty regressive policy (as in subsidizes the wealthy at the expense of the lower class, not the opposite of progress... I had a guy jump on my dick in another thread about that and he was so angry he wouldn't let it go). Most countries do a flat subsidy, but for some reason we have to run every goddamn thing through the IRS.

I firmly believe the subsidy should have had income cap phase puts, MSRP cap phase outs, and have been able to carry over for 3-5 tax years. That tax credit should have been exclusively for middle class buyers with those three things.

Or at the very least make it a refundable tax credit. The fact that it was non-refundable should have made people angry from the start.

A coworker of mine bought a total piece-of-shiat EV (Mitsubishi) based upon this claim from the salesman. I never could tell if the salesman was a moron, if he lied to them, or probably both. They (her and husband) were specifically told they would get $7,500 back on their taxes and they only got about $2,200 (because that's all they owed that year).

I advised her to take that to small claims court. With both her and the husband remembering that oral promise from the salesman, it would have been worth the filing fee to see if the dealership would pay up. They didn't do it.


iMiev? Or the PHEV crossover dealy? The iMiev actually has incredible batteries. If they decide it sucks as a car it will make a biatchin' storage system for PV.

That's too bad for them though. Dealers are scumbags.
 
2020-06-26 9:16:52 PM  

Likwit: The iMiev actually has incredible batteries


It does not. She lives 22 miles from work and in the dead of winter with the wind howling head-on she could watch the battery gauge drop to where she sometimes doubted making it to work before it gave out. Our workplace has free charges, which is one of the reasons she bought the car. Still didn't last long in her ownership and she sold it after about 3 years of ownership. It never worked well.
 
2020-06-26 9:18:24 PM  

Likwit: Or the PHEV crossover dealy?


That one is a far better purchase for most people. It's a SUV (that everyone wants for extra room and cargo capacity) and it drives/performs well. The 20-30 mile battery range is great and you can ignore it and just use gasoline to go anywhere else if you need to make longer trips. That, and the rebate is smaller, putting it more within reach of the average person.
 
2020-06-26 9:24:57 PM  

mrmopar5287: Likwit: The iMiev actually has incredible batteries

It does not. She lives 22 miles from work and in the dead of winter with the wind howling head-on she could watch the battery gauge drop to where she sometimes doubted making it to work before it gave out. Our workplace has free charges, which is one of the reasons she bought the car. Still didn't last long in her ownership and she sold it after about 3 years of ownership. It never worked well.


No, I mean in terms of chemistry. Unless it's a Japan-only thing, they should be lithium titanate. They can handle a ton of charge cycles before they degrade (the tradeoff being cost and round-trip efficiency). The used cars are highly sought after for battery packs.
 
2020-06-26 9:37:32 PM  

Likwit: Unless it's a Japan-only thing


The SCiB battery was only available in the Japanese model.
 
2020-06-26 9:47:57 PM  
Well, poop. I feel bad for your friend then. Getting scammed by a dealer is a terrible thing.
 
2020-06-26 10:10:04 PM  

mrmopar5287: Likwit: Or the PHEV crossover dealy?

That one is a far better purchase for most people. It's a SUV (that everyone wants for extra room and cargo capacity) and it drives/performs well. The 20-30 mile battery range is great and you can ignore it and just use gasoline to go anywhere else if you need to make longer trips. That, and the rebate is smaller, putting it more within reach of the average person.


I would dig a PHEV the size of a Pilot. The Outlander is a compact - give me something at least approaching a standard sized SUV, somewhere around 195"x79" (my Pilot has a cargo hold thy is 6.5'x4', so it can double as a covered pickup truck in a pinch). Give me a functional third row for when I have a mess of kids in the car. Let me run on electricity on my short jaunts, and kick on the gas engine for my 50 mile round trip commute.

/Not that I'd buy it right now, because the Pilot is only 5 years old, and will probably go another 10-15 easily with regular maintenance.
//other than maintenance, it's $1600 in fuel and $800 in insurance, so it's pretty cheap to drive.
///basically future proof for any possible need I'll have over the next decade.
 
2020-06-26 10:13:46 PM  

darcsun: My Grandfather worked on the Cadillac line (Local 22) and my great grandfather worked on the Fisher Body line. We've had the family plan discount all my life and my parents still own GM cars. The last new GM I bought was a 2007 Cadillac CTS. I sold it when the warranty was up in 2009 and haven't purchased another since then.

In contrast, I still own my 2003 BMW 325i I purchased a bit after. Even though it's a similar era design, the BMW was a good decade ahead of the Cadillac in quality and build. The cheap feel of the Cadillac, along with the fact that my previous GM purchase blew it's motor at 15k miles, has kept me from coming back to any American cars.


Ugh, I had a 2003 S-10. What a piece of shiat. Pieces started literally falling off at 15000 miles.

On the plus side, I bought it with nearly 5k in rebates, so it didn't lose nearly as much as Detroit cars usually do over three years.
 
2020-06-26 10:16:55 PM  

Izunbacol: I would dig a PHEV the size of a Pilot. The Outlander is a compact - give me something at least approaching a standard sized SUV, somewhere around 195"x79" (my Pilot has a cargo hold thy is 6.5'x4', so it can double as a covered pickup truck in a pinch). Give me a functional third row for when I have a mess of kids in the car. Let me run on electricity on my short jaunts, and kick on the gas engine for my 50 mile round trip commute.


The Outlander PHEV is a pretty decent ride. It gets good reviews.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/​a​19634225/2018-mitsubishi-outlander-phe​v-test-review/
 
2020-06-26 10:18:25 PM  

Izunbacol: On the plus side, I bought it with nearly 5k in rebates


That's literally why anyone/everyone buys GM. I didn't need a new car, but I wanted the specific Cruze I picked out. I waited for the right combination of rebates and incentives, and that was $5,500 off MSRP. No one, and I mean NO ONE walks in and pays anywhere near full price for a Chevy.
 
2020-06-26 10:23:43 PM  

mrmopar5287: Izunbacol: On the plus side, I bought it with nearly 5k in rebates

That's literally why anyone/everyone buys GM. I didn't need a new car, but I wanted the specific Cruze I picked out. I waited for the right combination of rebates and incentives, and that was $5,500 off MSRP. No one, and I mean NO ONE walks in and pays anywhere near full price for a Chevy.


It would have been close to sticker to buy a Tacoma. There's a reason.  And before they shiatcanned all of their cars, the small cars were all Korean. It's like they shrugged and said "a small domestic had the same stigma of poor and desperate as a Korean compact, why don't we just sell them Daewoos."

I should have bought the Tacoma.
 
2020-06-26 10:27:32 PM  

Izunbacol: And before they shiatcanned all of their cars, the small cars were all Korean.


The E210 Corolla (12th generation Corolla) for the USA is manufactured in Mississippi, and you can still get one with a 6-speed manual. If I had to replace my Cruze I would seriously consider a Corolla.
 
2020-06-26 10:45:59 PM  

mrmopar5287: Izunbacol: I would dig a PHEV the size of a Pilot. The Outlander is a compact - give me something at least approaching a standard sized SUV, somewhere around 195"x79" (my Pilot has a cargo hold thy is 6.5'x4', so it can double as a covered pickup truck in a pinch). Give me a functional third row for when I have a mess of kids in the car. Let me run on electricity on my short jaunts, and kick on the gas engine for my 50 mile round trip commute.

The Outlander PHEV is a pretty decent ride. It gets good reviews.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a​19634225/2018-mitsubishi-outlander-phe​v-test-review/


I would just be worried about the battery health. I see older dudes in them all the time hooked up to the mall's 50kW ChaDeMo. Can't be good for that tiny, non-cooled pack.
 
2020-06-26 10:55:19 PM  

Likwit: I would just be worried about the battery health. I see older dudes in them all the time hooked up to the mall's 50kW ChaDeMo. Can't be good for that tiny, non-cooled pack.


Then don't plug it in to one.

What's a mall? Ours is a ghost town with tumbleweeds blowing down the concourse. Empty buildings where Macy's, Bergner's, Sears, and JC Penny used to be.

There are two ChaDeMo chargers in town (both at Wal-Mart) but lots of 240v chargers around.
 
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