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2020-06-25 12:39:44 PM  
The only rational explanation for this story ever seeing the light of day is that she angered someone who's highly placed at the paper. Which, if true, means a lot of people deserve to be fired, because if the Washington Post's editorial policy has been this far degraded it no longer has any value.

Also, bring back your Ombudsman, assholes. You're not good enough to not have one.
 
2020-06-25 2:00:41 PM  
So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?
 
2020-06-25 2:15:20 PM  

edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?


She was a nobody who got invited to a party with some WaPo people.
She thought it would be funny to wear blackface to make fun of Megyn Kelly.
It wasn't.
She was shamed for it at the party and asked to remove the makeup.
Someone decided that wasn't enough so they started shopping the story to outlets including WaPo.
WaPo didn't think it was a story but they were concerned their competitors would make it a story.
So they threw this woman to the wolves to protect themselves.
It didn't work.
The woman was fired from her job.
The woman who shopped the story thinking she would be a hero is now getting death threats.
The Aristocrats.
 
2020-06-25 2:26:34 PM  
Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.
 
2020-06-25 4:12:31 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.


2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.
 
2020-06-25 5:13:59 PM  

edmo: Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.

2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.


Yeah that is like people making excuses for Paul Dean being racist in the 1980s.

IT was a no no then as well.
 
2020-06-25 5:17:02 PM  

edmo: Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.

2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.


Unless you're Jimmy Kimmel.
 
2020-06-25 5:18:25 PM  

Likwit: edmo: Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.

2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.

Unless you're Jimmy Kimmel.


Or Scrubs.
 
2020-06-25 5:19:14 PM  

edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?


It's okay to wear blackface as long as you're a Democrat.
 
2020-06-25 5:20:59 PM  

Mouser: edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?

It's okay to wear blackface as long as you're a Democrat.


Nobody's ever going to mistake you for someone with an opinion worth the smoke off early morning dogshiat.
 
2020-06-25 5:21:57 PM  

Mentat: edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?

She was a nobody who got invited to a party with some WaPo people.
She thought it would be funny to wear blackface to make fun of Megyn Kelly.
It wasn't.
She was shamed for it at the party and asked to remove the makeup.
Someone decided that wasn't enough so they started shopping the story to outlets including WaPo.
WaPo didn't think it was a story but they were concerned their competitors would make it a story.
So they threw this woman to the wolves to protect themselves.
It didn't work.
The woman was fired from her job.
The woman who shopped the story thinking she would be a hero is now getting death threats.
The Aristocrats.


You missed a step, the person who decided to shop the story around waited two years and decided to shop it around for a payout now that it's even more topical.  But otherwise, yeah.  The Post ran it because since it involved their own staff if they didn't and someone else did it would look worse.
 
2020-06-25 5:22:02 PM  
I'm just glad the New Yorker dedicated 14,000 words to this thing I had never heard of and still don't care about.
 
2020-06-25 5:23:58 PM  

thanksagainandagain: smoke


You have a very strange dog.
 
2020-06-25 5:24:11 PM  

Mouser: edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?

It's okay to wear blackface as long as you're a Democrat.


It, uh, wasn't okay. They fired her. What's wrong with you?
 
2020-06-25 5:25:42 PM  

Likwit: edmo: Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.

2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.

Unless you're Jimmy Kimmel.


He got a note from his mom, Ben Stein.
 
2020-06-25 5:27:07 PM  

thanksagainandagain: Nobody's ever going to mistake you for someone with an opinion worth the smoke off early morning dogshiat.


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2020-06-25 5:28:03 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only rational explanation for this story ever seeing the light of day is that she angered someone who's highly placed at the paper. Which, if true, means a lot of people deserve to be fired, because if the Washington Post's editorial policy has been this far degraded it no longer has any value.

Also, bring back your Ombudsman, assholes. You're not good enough to not have one.


He's only allowed to serve 2 terms, jenius.
 
2020-06-25 5:28:46 PM  
The Reign of Terror is supposed to come afteryou've obtained political power, dumbasses.
 
2020-06-25 5:29:50 PM  
I kind of get what she was trying to do, but it's odd to think "I'm going dress as Megyn Kelly in blackface and everyone will get it."  I mean, I'd hope that most people would at least look in the mirror and realize that it's just going to appear to be someone in blackface, not a commentary or lampooning.  Real life isn't like Tropic Thunder.
 
2020-06-25 5:30:37 PM  

UltimaCS: Mouser: edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?

It's okay to wear blackface as long as you're a Democrat.

It, uh, wasn't okay. They fired her. What's wrong with you?


He is either being sarcastic because that is what right wingers really believe, or he's a right winger and actually believes this.

If it's the former, some acknowledgement of sarcasm would have been nice. If it's the latter, you're a right wing asshole who plays the oppression card because that's what your information ministers told you is happening.
 
2020-06-25 5:30:53 PM  
Gruber, a 27-year-old management consultant, told Toles that the incident had "weighed heavily on my heart - it was abhorrent and egregious." She asked him to help her identify the woman.
New York Times editorial page editor resigns after uproar over Tom Cotton op-ed
"After the killing of George Floyd and the protests, I began reflecting more on this incident," Gruber said in an emailseeking Post coverage of the incident.
"I wanted to know who this woman is. ... What impact does she have on society? I think this is an important story - that a party full of prominent people in Washington welcomed a person in blackface, danced and drank with her, and watched in silence as she harassed two young women of color."


She shouldn't be getting harassed or receiving death threats but my goodness that is Laura Bassett level dishonesty mixed with self-importance.  Somebody did something dumb at a cocktail party and the guests handled it quietly.  When it comes to being a bully and a scold, what really is the difference between Gruber's behavior and that of the worst of the fundies?
 
2020-06-25 5:32:25 PM  
I feel this is a big difference to "wokeness" and actually working for racial rights. Wokeness is like playing "gotcha" and what I have seen it's often done by whites to attack people often for political reasons.

Here is a great example the founder of Tales of the Cocktial (a cocktail convention) was invited for a Mardi Gras parade by the African American club  Zulu Social Aid and Pleasure Club to ride on her float. Their tradition is for white people to use black make up if the go on the float. Well she did and she had to resign because other people saw it and complained. She was respectively following their traditions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/di​n​ing/tales-of-the-cocktail-ann-tuennerm​an-zulu.html


I doubt many people who argue about this even understand the history of blackface. It didn't mean "To look like a black person". It meant  wearing makeup that made you look like you were a caricature of someone who is black. I believe even some black people wore black face (because that was the racist thing to do back then).

Have some context. Different cultures see things different and have different histories.

Yes what this woman did sounds pretty stupid. But people do stupid shiat. We all do. Let's educate people about things.

Recently I have learned much more about symbols we have used in America and their racist roots. That's a good thing for people to learn but stop treating everyone as some enemy just because they are mostly ignorant doesn't help.
 
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2020-06-25 5:32:57 PM  
"Blackface Incident at Post Cartoonist's 2018 Halloween Party Resurfaces Amid Protests"

Well, you can question why it was so specific to a non-Public person, but if you did blackface after about 1988 then you're an idiot, a racist, or both.
 
2020-06-25 5:34:03 PM  

UltimaCS: Mouser: edmo: So I'm a little confused. Yes, people can and do get fired for that. But the outrage is that they printed it as a feature or something?

It's okay to wear blackface as long as you're a Democrat.

It, uh, wasn't okay. They fired her. What's wrong with you?


It's a slow twelve year old.

I wore purple face to a Halloween party in the mid 1990s. I was an eggplant, complete with a padded purple shirt, purple face and hands, green hair done up in a spike, and a head full of eggplant facts from the encyclopedia, which I shared with anyone who didn't get away in time.

I'm proud of my work as an eggplant and I don't regret it, but I'm happy to say I was never dumb enough to do blackface.
 
2020-06-25 5:34:48 PM  

vrax: I kind of get what she was trying to do, but it's odd to think "I'm going dress as Megyn Kelly in blackface and everyone will get it."  I mean, I'd hope that most people would at least look in the mirror and realize that it's just going to appear to be someone in blackface, not a commentary or lampooning.  Real life isn't like Tropic Thunder.


Depends on how good she thought her Megyn Kelly impression looked. I mean, if it looked exactly like Megyn Kelly without explanation, it might have worked. If it was just another blonde, well, no.

But, I wouldn't touch racially charged issues with a regulation 10' long clown pole. That's for black comedians only.
 
2020-06-25 5:35:40 PM  

edmo: Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.

2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.


No they are saying look at the context.
 
2020-06-25 5:39:28 PM  

d23: "Blackface Incident at Post Cartoonist's 2018 Halloween Party Resurfaces Amid Protests"

Well, you can question why it was so specific to a non-Public person, but if you did blackface after about 1988 then you're an idiot, a racist, or both.


So which is Robert Downey Jr for Tropical Thunder?
 
2020-06-25 5:44:13 PM  
And why the hell did "New York" magazine take that story and expound upon it, creating yet ANOTHER 3000-word story further blowing up the woman's life, but disguised as "just asking questions?"

I think we already know the answer, don't we?
 
2020-06-25 5:46:16 PM  

Corvus: ...Recently I have learned much more about symbols we have used in America and their racist roots. That's a good thing for people to learn but stop treating everyone as some enemy just because they are mostly ignorant doesn't help.


That's nice, but your cherry-picked story doesn't really apply here. The damn cab driver on the way there tried to tell her what a dumb idea it was.
 
2020-06-25 5:51:01 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only rational explanation for this story ever seeing the light of day is that she angered someone who's highly placed at the paper. Which, if true, means a lot of people deserve to be fired, because if the Washington Post's editorial policy has been this far degraded it no longer has any value.

Also, bring back your Ombudsman, assholes. You're not good enough to not have one.


Meh, kind of agree, at least when it comes to bringing back the ombudsman position. But even there, it needs to be filled by someone who is independent and outside the normal table of organization. Because from what I've seen, most ombudsmen (or public editors as they're called at The New York Times), are just apologists for senior management.

I'm not so sure this was a vendetta authorized by one of the higher-ups at the paper, though it could have been. From what I can tell, the bigger problem is that The Post violated its own editorial policies at least twice here. First, by not adhering to their own guidelines concerning the relevance of the incident and the person involved when running the story. And second, by not disciplining anyone on their staff, including Tom Toles who hosted the party. Post management just got caught in a clumsy attempt to use editorial space to burnish the paper's PR bona fides. Why am I not surprised that "a management consultant" was behind this? It fairly reeks of hypocrisy and opportunism masquerading as noble transparency.
 
2020-06-25 5:52:35 PM  

Corvus: d23: "Blackface Incident at Post Cartoonist's 2018 Halloween Party Resurfaces Amid Protests"

Well, you can question why it was so specific to a non-Public person, but if you did blackface after about 1988 then you're an idiot, a racist, or both.

So which is Robert Downey Jr for Tropical Thunder?


That was a white actor, playing a white actor who was so obsessive about 'the method' that he underwent pigment altering surgery to support an upcoming role.

That one does not particularly bother me because one of the points of the movie was that it was seen as wrong to do what he was doing and he was ridiculed by the other characters.

But if we want to be zero tolerance I'm ok with that too. I think it's worth saying that blackface is intended to be disrespectful to black people. This particular role intended to be disrespectful of people doing blackface.I think intent matters a lot. But I'm completely fine if it never happens again.
 
2020-06-25 5:53:20 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only rational explanation for this story ever seeing the light of day is that she angered someone who's highly placed at the paper. Which, if true, means a lot of people deserve to be fired, because if the Washington Post's editorial policy has been this far degraded it no longer has any value.

Also, bring back your Ombudsman, assholes. You're not good enough to not have one.


Ombudsman sounds foreign, so that's a big helping of NOPE.
 
2020-06-25 6:01:25 PM  
Are black people actually asking for this? Are they really asking white people  to root out every un-pc Halloween (which is gonna SUCK this year, btw) costume and comment said in anger and publicly ruin each other over it? Or is it, as I suspect, mainly whiny white liberals doing it for good guy points?
 
2020-06-25 6:05:35 PM  

LarryDan43: Likwit: edmo: Mikey1969: Yeah, no matter the context, and no matter how long ago it was, the new norm is to absolutely crucify anyone who wears blackface. She should have known this, as she did this in 2018, so I have no sympathy. If she'd done this in 2005 or something, I might be sympathetic, but this isn't rocket science. Someone just the other day got the hate of the internet for doing exactly this; spoofing someone who had been in blackface as that person.

2005?

Blackface has been a no-no for far, far longer than that.

Unless you're Jimmy Kimmel.

Or Scrubs.


Or Scott Rogowsky.
 
2020-06-25 6:06:03 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Are black people actually asking for this? Are they really asking white people  to root out every un-pc Halloween (which is gonna SUCK this year, btw) costume and comment said in anger and publicly ruin each other over it? Or is it, as I suspect, mainly whiny white liberals doing it for good guy points?


The group of college kids who think blackface is funny tend to not invite any black people to their Halloween parties.
 
2020-06-25 6:06:44 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only rational explanation for this story ever seeing the light of day is that she angered someone who's highly placed at the paper.


Maybe she cancelled here Amazon Prime account.
 
2020-06-25 6:09:15 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only rational explanation for this story ever seeing the light of day is that she angered someone who's highly placed at the paper. Which, if true, means a lot of people deserve to be fired, because if the Washington Post's editorial policy has been this far degraded it no longer has any value.

Also, bring back your Ombudsman, assholes. You're not good enough to not have one.


Judging by to whom they choose to grant their platform via op-eds, their editorial policy hasn't had value for a long, long time.
 
2020-06-25 6:11:20 PM  
In 1996, my high school put on West Side Story. I was cast as a member of the Sharks gang, which is the Puerto Rican gang. The entire cast was white. We wore tan-colored makeup.

Which would have been worse, wearing brownface or whitewashing West Side Story? It could be passably done just by cutting out "America," I think.
 
2020-06-25 6:11:35 PM  

Corvus: I doubt many people who argue about this even understand the history of blackface. It didn't mean "To look like a black person". It meant wearing makeup that made you look like you were a caricature of someone who is black. I believe even some black people wore black face (because that was the racist thing to do back then).


The quote that got Megyn Kelly fired:

"But what is racist? Because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Back when I was a kid that was OK, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character."
 
2020-06-25 6:16:21 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Are black people actually asking for this? Are they really asking white people  to root out every un-pc Halloween (which is gonna SUCK this year, btw) costume and comment said in anger and publicly ruin each other over it? Or is it, as I suspect, mainly whiny white liberals doing it for good guy points?


There seem to be people of all colors who have been driven completely insane by Trump.
 
2020-06-25 6:17:38 PM  

Alien Robot: Corvus: I doubt many people who argue about this even understand the history of blackface. It didn't mean "To look like a black person". It meant wearing makeup that made you look like you were a caricature of someone who is black. I believe even some black people wore black face (because that was the racist thing to do back then).

The quote that got Megyn Kelly fired:

"But what is racist? Because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Back when I was a kid that was OK, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character."


I'm sure it was that and not the other million racist things she's said, like referring to Michelle Obama as "baby momma".
 
2020-06-25 6:17:41 PM  
Now we have an article about the article that also does not explain the article.
 
2020-06-25 6:19:35 PM  
Josh Barrow is a farking moron.  That's about all there is to say.
 
2020-06-25 6:33:33 PM  

Puglio: In 1996, my high school put on West Side Story. I was cast as a member of the Sharks gang, which is the Puerto Rican gang. The entire cast was white. We wore tan-colored makeup.

Which would have been worse, wearing brownface or whitewashing West Side Story? It could be passably done just by cutting out "America," I think.


You don't need to do either one. Just play it as written. You think the audience can not handle a little suspension of disbelief, then you need to find another play or a better director. I've directed Mackerdoodles with a Black tyrant and Antigone with sisters of obviously different backgrounds. Okay Los Angeles isn't Allwhite Bumblefark but still: Not a word.

No whitewashing or rewriting necessary.
 
2020-06-25 6:40:51 PM  

2wolves: thanksagainandagain: smoke

You have a very strange dog.


Maybe he just enjoys the smell of burning dog turds in the mornings.

/Smells like... victory.
 
2020-06-25 6:42:59 PM  
For the last time I'm not in blackface
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2020-06-25 6:48:50 PM  
White people should stay in their lane.
 
2020-06-25 6:49:54 PM  

Epic Fap Session: I'm just glad the New Yorker dedicated 14,000 words to this thing I had never heard of and still don't care about.


I was reading the on my phone and my thumb is so farking tired.
 
2020-06-25 6:54:38 PM  
Correction, no one wants to take credit for it
 
2020-06-25 6:55:05 PM  
Why is this newsworthy?

You really don't understand the optics of it being reported that an Editor hosted a party where Blackface was acceptable and a columnist was present?
Theyy're trying to get ahead of the story.
 
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