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(Politico)   Canada: "Dear tech workers, we're just like the US, but without Donald Trump"   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-06-25 1:10:53 PM  
I thought Canada had health care. And manners. And poutine.

So basically, nothing like America then.
 
2020-06-25 1:31:42 PM  
Awww yisss I can go to Canada.

You guys aren't going to make me live 12 to a studio apartment with other Americans are you?
 
2020-06-25 1:39:54 PM  
We have more problems than Trump but I'm listening. Go on.
 
2020-06-25 1:40:12 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: I thought Canada had health care. And manners. And poutine.

So basically, nothing like America then.


And milk in bags
 
2020-06-25 2:51:13 PM  
Good luck, we want you. Move to Vancouver if you don't want winter. Montreal is great for video games and government service work and is quite diverse. Toronto is good for corp/banks but is stuffy. Ottawa has one of the biggest tech sectors in Canada with lots of jobs. Calgary for banks, oil and agricultural stuff. Halifax for government services and defense. There are also tons of little shops all over the place... we have no shortage of small towns with tech companies.
 
2020-06-25 3:02:30 PM  
Moving to Truro to hang out with Ricky, Julian and Bubbles
 
2020-06-25 3:02:46 PM  
Be warned. If you die in Canada, you die in real life.
 
2020-06-25 3:04:13 PM  
Tr0mBoNe:

Windsor for manufacturing support
 
2020-06-25 3:04:18 PM  

Elegy: Awww yisss I can go to Canada.

You guys aren't going to make me live 12 to a studio apartment with other Americans are you?


You can take that up with your location's coordinator, Dixit... I mean Pierre.
 
2020-06-25 3:05:06 PM  
And most of us are bi-lingual speaking both Metric and Imperial fluently to ease your transition.
 
2020-06-25 3:05:07 PM  

emersonbiggins: Moving to Truro to hang out with Ricky, Julian and Bubbles


go for it
 
2020-06-25 3:05:48 PM  
Let's see if they need scientists...
 
2020-06-25 3:07:08 PM  
at this point I'll take a tier 1 desktop support gig if I can get away from this shiat storm.
 
2020-06-25 3:08:44 PM  
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2020-06-25 3:09:22 PM  
I should probably apply and take advantage of this now before they get really pissed off at us and cut it off.

I'm just curious HOW to do it.  I don't understand immigration or foreign work at all.

I desperately want to get away from Trump.  I desperately want to go to somewhere with good health care.  And I desperately want colder weather (yes, really, I can't stand the hot weather here and I live in freaking Ohio!)

/I hear vancouver is nice, but the real estate there is LA levels of bad.
 
2020-06-25 3:09:23 PM  
Sounds good. I'll practice apologizing.
 
2020-06-25 3:09:29 PM  
There are many places I want to go in my life.. Canada has never been one of them for some reason.  America's hat just really doesn't have anything to offer anymore.

/Been to Toronto.. no need to go back.
//Daughter lived in Mississauga for a while.. she's in TN now.
///Been to the Canadian Rockies.. once is enough.
////In a pinch, maybe go back to Niagara by the Lake.

Ireland, New Zealand, Australia,  Italy (again) and maybe England one more time... then I can die a happy man.
 
2020-06-25 3:09:59 PM  

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The way the US is going, it wont be in this range for much longer.
 
2020-06-25 3:10:57 PM  
*offer does not apply to US IT workers. . .
 
2020-06-25 3:11:19 PM  
Winnipeg has a small but growing tech sector, and we're basically the best place to be during a pandemic because no one wants to visit.

/can be a bit chilly in the winter
//I was born here, what's your excuse?
 
2020-06-25 3:12:26 PM  

Elegy: Awww yisss I can go to Canada.

You guys aren't going to make me live 12 to a studio apartment with other Americans are you?


It was the only way I could make the numbers figure out.  I've had two specific discussions and looked at tech jobs in Greater Toronto. Consistently offering 20-25% less than I make in Kansas City (and I'm not super-high pay here), and housing is easily 4x as much... 5x as much in the craziest years.  It just doesn't add up.  Vancouver the housing is far crazier, though the salaries are at least comparable to larger US cities.  Montreal is at least pretty affordable for housing.

I'm not saying a programmer type should making more than a good K-12 teacher or nurse. I kinda like that things are a bit flatter than in the US.  But, I have no damned clue how a teacher or nurse makes a go of it with Toronto rents either.  It's nuts.
 
2020-06-25 3:12:58 PM  
Difficulty for me:  You won't take middle-aged Americans.
 
2020-06-25 3:13:24 PM  
When Trump announced his Muslim ban I saw a lot of job recruiters trying to poach post-docs and other researchers. I know foreign students have slowed. Throwing away the US's biggest competitive advantage for nothing, le sigh.
 
2020-06-25 3:14:41 PM  
Will you take a 50-something Linux admin, former editor/writer, with two high-school kids, one a 4.0 student who is in pre-med, the other a welder, and a wife who does public relations and marketing?
 
2020-06-25 3:15:40 PM  
Except my coworkers in Vancouver BC earned 70% of what I was paid (not including exchange rate)
 
2020-06-25 3:16:16 PM  
I wonder if, as an American tech worker, I would have any shot at getting in. Maybe worth a look.


Murica is screwed these days, and not just because of Trumpers.  Though it's mostly because of Trumpers.  And various sundry other issues, most of which can be traced back to Trumpers.
 
2020-06-25 3:16:37 PM  

NuvvuNikki: Winnipeg has a small but growing tech sector, and we're basically the best place to be during a pandemic because no one wants to visit.

/can be a bit chilly in the winter
//I was born here, what's your excuse?


The Peg also offers the only level 4 biohazard containment in the country. If anything escapes there is a good chance we can isolate it due to relatively remote location.
 
2020-06-25 3:17:01 PM  

mactheknife: Difficulty for me:  You won't take middle-aged Americans.


Dammit,

But what about my spawn?
 
2020-06-25 3:17:05 PM  

regnulify: Except my coworkers in Vancouver BC earned 70% of what I was paid (not including exchange rate)


Their medical expenses are free, bruh.
 
2020-06-25 3:23:34 PM  

regnulify: Except my coworkers in Vancouver BC earned 70% of what I was paid (not including exchange rate)


They make up for it with cheap real estate.

/heh
 
2020-06-25 3:24:41 PM  

Elegy: Awww yisss I can go to Canada.

You guys aren't going to make me live 12 to a studio apartment with other Americans are you?


According to Zillow, there are currently 2 houses for sale in Vancouver for less than $1M CAD.  The income tax rate is 34%.  Glass Door says the average base pay for a software engineer in Vancouver is $85K CAD.

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2020-06-25 3:24:57 PM  
Come on in, the fascism is minimal.
 
2020-06-25 3:25:38 PM  

barbu: Come on in, the fascism is minimal.


Unless dr w is visiting
 
2020-06-25 3:26:13 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Good luck, we want you. Move to Vancouver if you don't want winter. Montreal is great for video games and government service work and is quite diverse. Toronto is good for corp/banks but is stuffy. Ottawa has one of the biggest tech sectors in Canada with lots of jobs. Calgary for banks, oil and agricultural stuff. Halifax for government services and defense. There are also tons of little shops all over the place... we have no shortage of small towns with tech companies.


It's much harder to qualify for a Canadian work visa then an American H1-b.
 
2020-06-25 3:28:21 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Good luck, we want you. Move to Vancouver if you don't want winter. Montreal is great for video games and government service work and is quite diverse. Toronto is good for corp/banks but is stuffy. Ottawa has one of the biggest tech sectors in Canada with lots of jobs. Calgary for banks, oil and agricultural stuff. Halifax for government services and defense. There are also tons of little shops all over the place... we have no shortage of small towns with tech companies.


I'm a quarter French Canadian, that get's me in, right?

PoweShell jockey doing O365 admin and whatever else gets thrown my way, with background running a Service Desk (which mean I start most conversations with customers with "What the fark do you want?") two delightful children and a double reed specialist wife.
 
2020-06-25 3:30:37 PM  

Elegy: Awww yisss I can go to Canada.

You guys aren't going to make me live 12 to a studio apartment with other Americans are you?


I was going to say YES COME UP HERE AND-

No. you're right. you'd probably get slurped up by the slumlords like everyone else.
 
2020-06-25 3:31:07 PM  

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What exactly do you think this means?
 
2020-06-25 3:35:36 PM  
So if my ancestors were forced to leave during Le Grand Derangement, would me moving Canada be a repatriation?
 
2020-06-25 3:35:40 PM  
I need to finish a tech degree. Maybe then I can move to Canada.
 
2020-06-25 3:36:34 PM  
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Trump Lite
 
2020-06-25 3:38:17 PM  

Gawdzila: Epic Fap Session: [Fark user image 850x411]

What exactly do you think this means?


It's tricky to earn Canadian and spend American.

What do you think I think it means?
 
2020-06-25 3:39:04 PM  
If only they weren't so coooold.  I'm kinda rooting for climate change so I can move to Canada.  Or a sudden weight gain
 
2020-06-25 3:40:02 PM  

IC Stars: Will you take a 50-something Linux admin, former editor/writer, with two high-school kids, one a 4.0 student who is in pre-med, the other a welder, and a wife who does public relations and marketing?


None of that is natural resource extraction, so don't hold your breath.

Canada gives lip service to diversifying it's economy, but that's it. Like Australia it's all in in non-renewable resources and as long as the US and Middle East keep grabbing everyone's attention and no one notices, nothing's going to change.
 
2020-06-25 3:44:04 PM  

emersonbiggins: Moving to Truro to hang out with Ricky, Julian and Bubbles


Actually depends on which years. I believe 3-6 were Cole Harbour
 
2020-06-25 3:45:42 PM  
I'm a federal public servant now (programmer/analyst) but for 20 of the last 23 years I was a contractor (consultant) doing the same job as I've been doing for near 25 years. As an IT consultant, my lowest daily rate was $360/day. My highest was $600/day (7 years). 7.5 hour days.

Now as a public servant I'm down to 87k/year, but I have 25 days paid vacation, 20+ paid sick days/year, all the commercial IT courses I want to take for free, and for the last 6 months, I have only had to actually GO to my office 5 times. I can do pretty much all of my job from anywhere, so there's no transportation costs, no wear & tear on my truck... I sleep til I wake up, no alarms anymore. (I'm still usually up at 5:30 am - military habit...)

IT work in Canada is a good go after you've proven yourself capable. Depending where you are, the money always seems to be enough to let us live comfortably. (I live about 35 mins from Ottawa - We pay $1000/month rent for a 2-bedroom apartment with a garage and an enclosed yard with a fire pit. Heat & hydro included. I'm not sure how that compares to down south, but it's a decent living here.
 
2020-06-25 3:47:18 PM  
I'm 40. My husband is 37. I have a doctorate in electrical engineering, he in political science and he's a university professor. If Canada would take us we'd be there tomorrow.

Or most of Europe. The list of countries we'd be willing to go to expands by the month. If Trump wins in November I think the list of places we'd go will be far longer than the list of places we wouldn't.
 
2020-06-25 3:47:24 PM  

NuvvuNikki: Winnipeg has a small but growing tech sector, and we're basically the best place to be during a pandemic because no one wants to visit.

/can be a bit chilly in the winter
//I was born here, what's your excuse?


Whoa! What happened to the filter?

Bit chilly.
 
2020-06-25 3:50:38 PM  

dwrash: Ireland, New Zealand, Australia,  Italy (again) and maybe England one more time... then I can die a happy man.


Just a reminder that Boris Johnsons new immigration policies actually make it easier to emigrate to the UK from most of the world. Unless you're in the EU, in which case you have to follow the exact same rules, but that's a big step back from what you had when we were in the EU.
 
2020-06-25 3:56:09 PM  

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Trump Lite


Have you seen him lately? There's nothing lite about DoFo. At the press conference the other day I thought his jacket buttons were going to pop and Lecce would lose an eye.
 
2020-06-25 3:57:25 PM  

TheSubjunctive: Elegy: Awww yisss I can go to Canada.

You guys aren't going to make me live 12 to a studio apartment with other Americans are you?

It was the only way I could make the numbers figure out.  I've had two specific discussions and looked at tech jobs in Greater Toronto. Consistently offering 20-25% less than I make in Kansas City (and I'm not super-high pay here), and housing is easily 4x as much... 5x as much in the craziest years.  It just doesn't add up.  Vancouver the housing is far crazier, though the salaries are at least comparable to larger US cities.  Montreal is at least pretty affordable for housing.

I'm not saying a programmer type should making more than a good K-12 teacher or nurse. I kinda like that things are a bit flatter than in the US.  But, I have no damned clue how a teacher or nurse makes a go of it with Toronto rents either.  It's nuts.


The Canadian real estate market is weird, there's a lot of foreign money that purchased property in Vancouver until they put in place an empty home tax essentially.  That's since moved to Toronto which has increased their prices dramatically.  It also doesn't help that Air BnB turned rental properties into essentially hotels as the returns are greater.   Outside of Toronto and Vancouver though, too a lesser extend Victoria it's much more normal, just those two really spike the numbers.

The reason this happens is since we allow foreign home ownership it makes it more attractive for supposed money laundering and also being able to have a secure asset that your home country can't touch if you call out of favor.

No one really wants to get too involved though as it makes property very attractive and an attempt to correct it, could arguably wipe out a lot of people's wealth.
 
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