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(Slate)   Oh, you're looking forward to watching the Hamilton movie? That's cool. I used to like Hamilton, too, but I was into it back when they released the cast recordings. It's just so mainstream now   (slate.com) divider line
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2020-06-25 11:07:08 AM  
And that's why Broadway doesn't exist and people don't pay hundreds of dollars for tickets to SEE a musical.

/Your blog is very smart.
 
2020-06-25 11:19:52 AM  
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2020-06-25 11:58:54 AM  
My favorite band is so underground they don't even know they're a band
 
2020-06-25 12:00:00 PM  
There it is....
 
2020-06-25 12:01:04 PM  
You Don't Need to WatchHamilton

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2020-06-25 12:01:24 PM  
I've seen it both sides of the Atlantic. I must say, George III being cheered as a hero by the crowd in London was a pleasant little surprise after seeing the bog standard NYC version.
 
2020-06-25 12:01:47 PM  
I already distilled everything down to the most efficient form. Which is why I get all my theater from the radio, and the latest songs from my favorite bands from the song lyric sites.
 
2020-06-25 12:03:04 PM  
Was that dig against Fan Fiction really nessisary considering the question as to Hamilton being bisexual and John Lauren being his lover is like... An actual thing that is discussed by historians? With a fair ammount of evidence showing it more than likely being true?
 
2020-06-25 12:04:04 PM  
No one else will be in the room where the movie happens.
 
2020-06-25 12:05:02 PM  
I saw Hamilton on tour in Denver a year or two ago. I actually did have the reaction that the first act was only moderately improved by seeing it in addition to hearing it. The second act, though, felt very different with it in front of me.

Looking forward to seeing the original Broadway cast version when it comes out.
 
2020-06-25 12:06:06 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: You Don't Need to WatchHamilton

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But don't you get it? You don't need to actually see Andy Blankenbeuhler's revolutionary and award-winning choreography?

You can see his work in the movie version of Cats.

And for those of you who have not RTFA, the author actually does try to make that point.
 
2020-06-25 12:08:21 PM  
...notoriously expensive ...

...for the still-unbeaten price of listening to a few ads on Spotify...

...only available to the privileged few...


Author sounds poor and bitter.

Hamilton's last monologue takes place entirely as the bullet travels slowly toward him in the fingertips of a member of the company, an effect that could easily be replaced by traditional slow-motion.

The visuals simply serve the music.

Andy Blankenbuehler's choreography, while it results in some striking tableaux, is needlessly convoluted and at times downright distracting


Author sounds dumb af too.
 
2020-06-25 12:08:51 PM  

AuralArgument: My favorite band is so underground they don't even know they're a band


Buy you have heard of them so obviously they are selling out now.
 
2020-06-25 12:10:14 PM  
The reason why opera is better at the opera house and not on a record is because people need to associate voices with faces.  It's why televised interviews with people on the phone tend to show photographs of the interviewed person.  Seeing who is speaking adds context to aid in following the story.  Without it, people will just treat it as music and not a story.  It's why English language opera being played on NPR is just gibberish with a catchy tune, even though it is indeed in English.  "Who is singing now?"  "Who the hell knows."
 
2020-06-25 12:11:53 PM  
It's a valid (if mostly meaningless) point.  Hamilton's strength is its lyrics and the performance of them.  Choreography, sets, and dramatic acting are all secondary and contribute far less to the overall aesthetic.

That's not the case for most musicals.  A Chorus Line and Chicago are more about choreography.  Carousel and Oklahoma require you to see the actors emoting in order to get the most out of the story.  The big '80s musicals (Phantom/Les Mis/Miss Saigon) were notable for their extravagant sets.  For shows like these, you either had to see it in a theater or wait for a movie version.  You can get 90% of the value out of Hamilton just by listening to the cast recording.  Not that you would tell someone that it is a waste of time to watch the show rather than listen -- you can do two things at once -- but the underlying point is accurate.
 
2020-06-25 12:13:32 PM  
Or even listening to Shakespeare, or books on tape.  A listener might get distracted by a notification on their phone, or by a bird flying past a window, and lose track of the conversation.  And then will have to rewind a bit.  Whereas on film or at the theater it is easy to figure out whether Hamlet or Horatio is speaking, by seeing which person is moving their lips.
 
2020-06-25 12:13:37 PM  
Fark off Slate, don't you have yet another article extolling the virtues of accepting that your daughter working in Porn to pay for her College Tuition?

Besides, I've been hard pressed to find anything to watch on Disney+, pretty much limit my viewing to once a week since they have fark all for content. At least I got a free year for being a Verizon customer

Not sure what brain trust thought starting off with the Mandalorian, then having nothing at all to follow it for 6+ months was a good idea, but honestly, their entire programming staff should be fired
 
2020-06-25 12:15:04 PM  

SpectroBoy: AuralArgument: My favorite band is so underground they don't even know they're a band

Buy you have heard of them so obviously they are selling out now.


I admit that once I'd heard of them, I'd wished they'd already broke up.
 
2020-06-25 12:16:33 PM  

AuralArgument: My favorite band is so underground they don't even know they're a band



Talking Seattle grunge band Todd Snider
Youtube zmxSMIN3-WI



Now to fit in on the Seattle scene
You had to show people somethin' that they'd never seen
So thinkin' up a gimmick one day
We decided to be the only band that wouldn't play a note
Under any circumstance
We called it Silence
Music's original alternative
Roots grunge

Well we spread the word through the underground
That we were the hottest new young band in town
The record guy come out to see us one day
And just like always we refused to play
It knocked him out
He said he loved our work
He said he loved our work but he wasn't sure he could sell a record that didn't have any music on it
I said "Man you've been doing that all year"

......

Well we blew 'em away at the Grammy's show
By refusing to play and refusing to go
Then just when it looked like fame would last forever
Along come this band that wasn't even together
Now that's alternative
That's the alternative to alternative
They're called Guns n' Roses

/some discrepancies twixt lyrics and performance
 
2020-06-25 12:16:51 PM  
Well I mean, Disney can't actually show the movie right now since we've recently been told that an actor of one race cannot play a character of another race, which would invalidate the whole point of the show, after all, they claim the intentions behind it don't matter.

So yea, they do need to push the album because the movie is going to be utterly problematic by their own standards.
 
2020-06-25 12:19:38 PM  

Uzzah: It's a valid (if mostly meaningless) point.  Hamilton's strength is its lyrics and the performance of them.  Choreography, sets, and dramatic acting are all secondary and contribute far less to the overall aesthetic.

That's not the case for most musicals.  A Chorus Line and Chicago are more about choreography.  Carousel and Oklahoma require you to see the actors emoting in order to get the most out of the story.  The big '80s musicals (Phantom/Les Mis/Miss Saigon) were notable for their extravagant sets.  For shows like these, you either had to see it in a theater or wait for a movie version.  You can get 90% of the value out of Hamilton just by listening to the cast recording.  Not that you would tell someone that it is a waste of time to watch the show rather than listen -- you can do two things at once -- but the underlying point is accurate.


While Hamilton's biggest strength is in the music and lyrics, it is a different experience seeing it in person and seeing the acting that goes into playing each character. There is also that one scene not included in the recordings which is an important scene to understanding Hamilton's character and drive.

Hamilton's staging is beautiful in its simplicity and flexibility, which is also what makes it so much easier than other musicals to tour with or for high schools, colleges, etc. to perform it as well. A venue with a minimal budget can manage a catwalk, a few props, a spinning floor, and the lighting required. Honestly, the lighting is the biggest investment.
 
2020-06-25 12:20:41 PM  

CanisNoir: Well I mean, Disney can't actually show the movie right now since we've recently been told that an actor of one race cannot play a character of another race, which would invalidate the whole point of the show, after all, they claim the intentions behind it don't matter.

So yea, they do need to push the album because the movie is going to be utterly problematic by their own standards.


Actually LMM has stated that actors of all races can play any of the roles.

Except for King George.  He has to be a white guy.
 
2020-06-25 12:21:02 PM  
Jesus Christ no I don't care about Hamilton or Broadway in general
 
2020-06-25 12:24:29 PM  

JJRRutgers: CanisNoir: Well I mean, Disney can't actually show the movie right now since we've recently been told that an actor of one race cannot play a character of another race, which would invalidate the whole point of the show, after all, they claim the intentions behind it don't matter.

So yea, they do need to push the album because the movie is going to be utterly problematic by their own standards.

Actually LMM has stated that actors of all races can play any of the roles.

Except for King George.  He has to be a white guy.


That's racist.
 
2020-06-25 12:26:42 PM  

gbv23: Jesus Christ no I don't care about Hamilton or Broadway in general


? so... thanks fer stopping by?
what's LMM?
 
2020-06-25 12:30:04 PM  

gbv23: Jesus Christ no I don't care about Hamilton or Broadway in general


Thank you for letting the rest of us know that you're ignorant slob with no sense of culture or curiosity in expanding your mind. We can safely dismiss anything you say here from now on.
 
2020-06-25 12:30:26 PM  

JJRRutgers: Actually LMM has stated that actors of all races can play any of the roles.


That's good and I applaud him for his belief in meritocracy over identity, but when you see voice actors stepping down as well as other movements it was worth pointing out the problematic direction the entertainment industry is heading.

I think with the stage musical he made his point, but we really should be thinking more critically about some of the decisions the industry is making and just how far down that road we want to actually go.
 
2020-06-25 12:31:58 PM  

Uzzah: It's a valid (if mostly meaningless) point.


Isn't that the definition of what Slate does?
 
2020-06-25 12:34:20 PM  
rebelyell2006:

Plus with the right production design opera is amazing after a meal made with special mushrooms and green spices.
 
2020-06-25 12:34:33 PM  
I was kinda hoping it would be a 'movie' and not just the filmed play.
Here's a bit one group did, that I think is excellent.

Hamilton the Musical - YOU'LL BE BACK in Real Life King George - [FULL LYRICS]
Youtube Rgiyq7rqWhg
 
2020-06-25 12:35:30 PM  

AuralArgument: My favorite band is so underground they don't even know they're a band


No. The first album is much better than the first album

Also, Bolton went on the View and complained about how Hamilton gets the history wrong:

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Might be even worse than the Hipster fans: "yeah, well I was a Hamilton fan back in the 1970's! The real one!"
 
2020-06-25 12:37:02 PM  
 Hey, it has not one but TWO turntables.
 
2020-06-25 12:37:51 PM  

JJRRutgers: CanisNoir: Well I mean, Disney can't actually show the movie right now since we've recently been told that an actor of one race cannot play a character of another race, which would invalidate the whole point of the show, after all, they claim the intentions behind it don't matter.

So yea, they do need to push the album because the movie is going to be utterly problematic by their own standards.

Actually LMM has stated that actors of all races can play any of the roles.

Except for King George.  He has to be a white guy.


King George was a black guy when I saw it last in Chicago.
 
2020-06-25 12:38:27 PM  

Will-Mun: Was that dig against Fan Fiction really nessisary considering the question as to Hamilton being bisexual and John Lauren being his lover is like... An actual thing that is discussed by historians? With a fair ammount of evidence showing it more than likely being true?


Come on, don't you totally ask a bro to tell the ladies exactly what you are packing, discuss wishing they could come along on your honeymoon but the wife nixed the idea, and [the following section has been destroyed by the family for personal reasons when they released these letters to historians]?
 
2020-06-25 12:44:21 PM  
There are a number of moments which the staging of Hamilton greatly enhance the performance of the music.

The lighting in Hurricane.

The transition from present to past in the introduction to Satisfied.

"I'm so blue..." 

The bullet travel during Hamilton's final soliloquy. 

To say nothing of a fairly important scene in Hamilton's lifethat is cut from the cast album which I won't mention.

Plus all the additional levels of humanity which gets added throughout the performance by the people who are on the stage rather than just singing in a studio. I skip Story of Tonight when listening because it's, well, kinda boring and repetitive. But on stage? It's a fantastic heart-felt piece of connection between the characters. There are myriad ways in which the actors can bring their characters to life through their portrayals, and that is one of the reasons that I've seen the musical more than once - getting to see the different ways that actors perform their parts, the difference in the small parts on stage.

Plus... the album is the same every time. Seeing it live is different in a billion ways.
 
2020-06-25 12:44:39 PM  

Weird Hal: AuralArgument: My favorite band is so underground they don't even know they're a band


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/zmxSMIN3​-WI]


Now to fit in on the Seattle scene
You had to show people somethin' that they'd never seen
So thinkin' up a gimmick one day
We decided to be the only band that wouldn't play a note
Under any circumstance
We called it Silence
Music's original alternative
Roots grunge

Well we spread the word through the underground
That we were the hottest new young band in town
The record guy come out to see us one day
And just like always we refused to play
It knocked him out
He said he loved our work
He said he loved our work but he wasn't sure he could sell a record that didn't have any music on it
I said "Man you've been doing that all year"

......

Well we blew 'em away at the Grammy's show
By refusing to play and refusing to go
Then just when it looked like fame would last forever
Along come this band that wasn't even together
Now that's alternative
That's the alternative to alternative
They're called Guns n' Roses

/some discrepancies twixt lyrics and performance


Saw that comment and wanted to post the Talkin' Seattle Grunge Rock Blues ... leaving satisfied.
 
2020-06-25 12:46:31 PM  

CanisNoir: Well I mean, Disney can't actually show the movie right now since we've recently been told that an actor of one race cannot play a character of another race, which would invalidate the whole point of the show, after all, they claim the intentions behind it don't matter.

So yea, they do need to push the album because the movie is going to be utterly problematic by their own standards.


BLM is definitly NOT a black supremacy movement.
 
2020-06-25 12:54:50 PM  
Definitely looking forward to watching with the kids.
 
2020-06-25 1:02:04 PM  
FTFA:

"That's also true of the (Tony-winning!) costumes, which occasionally catch the eye-I'm thinking mostly of Thomas Jefferson's purple coat-but are often quite literally stripped-down (in the ensemble's case, to the skivvies), and otherwise pass for fairly conventional period dress. "

That is a farking terrible sentence. That sentence just did a line of coke.
 
2020-06-25 1:17:20 PM  

Mr.AluminumSiding: FTFA:

"That's also true of the (Tony-winning!) costumes, which occasionally catch the eye-I'm thinking mostly of Thomas Jefferson's purple coat-but are often quite literally stripped-down (in the ensemble's case, to the skivvies), and otherwise pass for fairly conventional period dress. "

That is a farking terrible sentence. That sentence just did a line of coke.


More like the entire TFA plowed its face into a Tony Montana-sized pile of coke.
 
2020-06-25 1:17:21 PM  

fiver5: CanisNoir: Well I mean, Disney can't actually show the movie right now since we've recently been told that an actor of one race cannot play a character of another race, which would invalidate the whole point of the show, after all, they claim the intentions behind it don't matter.

So yea, they do need to push the album because the movie is going to be utterly problematic by their own standards.

BLM is definitly NOT a black supremacy movement.


If only Aaron Burr has missed as far off as you two have missed the point of those discussions.
 
2020-06-25 1:17:34 PM  

gunga galunga: Prank Call of Cthulhu: You Don't Need to WatchHamilton

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But don't you get it? You don't need to actually see Andy Blankenbeuhler's revolutionary and award-winning choreography?

You can see his work in the movie version of Cats.

And for those of you who have not RTFA, the author actually does try to make that point.


So, literally everyone here?
 
2020-06-25 1:20:44 PM  

meanmutton: gunga galunga: Prank Call of Cthulhu: You Don't Need to WatchHamilton

[i.kym-cdn.com image 562x437]

But don't you get it? You don't need to actually see Andy Blankenbeuhler's revolutionary and award-winning choreography?

You can see his work in the movie version of Cats.

And for those of you who have not RTFA, the author actually does try to make that point.

So, literally everyone here?


I, for one, do not recommend it.
 
2020-06-25 1:37:06 PM  
Burr was right.
 
2020-06-25 2:10:08 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: ...notoriously expensive ...

...for the still-unbeaten price of listening to a few ads on Spotify...

...only available to the privileged few...

Author sounds poor and bitter.

Hamilton's last monologue takes place entirely as the bullet travels slowly toward him in the fingertips of a member of the company, an effect that could easily be replaced by traditional slow-motion.

The visuals simply serve the music.

Andy Blankenbuehler's choreography, while it results in some striking tableaux, is needlessly convoluted and at times downright distracting

Author sounds dumb af too.


Sigh

Does this person even art?

People pay large sums of money to go see things like this:

Hamelin plays Liszt - Un Sospiro [HIGH QUALITY]
Youtube zSHwX2O7j2w


They come for a chance to watch masters of their craft at work.  It might be the only opportunity they'll ever have, because apparently humans don't live forever.

Do you know how many times this song has been played and played again and analyzed and recorded?  Gee, what's the point of going through all the trouble to buy expensive tickets and getting dolled up to come see this nerd pound his fingers on the piano when you can just listen to it on Spotify instead, for the low, low price of a few minutes of insipid advertising?  Look at that choreography.  It's really just distracting.  All that finger motion.

The big reason only the "privileged few" could see it was because tickets to the original show were sold out months in advance.

I have the soundtrack memorized, I'm a huge fan of it, and I had no idea about the bullet traveling by hand.  I agree the soundtrack can exist apart from the musical, yet the article makes me want to see the musical even more, because it enhances the listening experience.  Hell, I'd love to go watch Hamelin play.  Again, once-in-a-lifetime chance.

Also, fark Spotify.  I'm keeping my well-loved CD set.  For the unbeaten price of 20 bucks, I don't have to listen to a single asinine ad.

I wasn't going to give The Mouse even more money just to see this, but now I just may.

Well, this author just jacked herself up on her own petard...
 
2020-06-25 2:29:46 PM  
I just can't muster up enough white progressive guilt to want to see the play or the movie.
 
2020-06-25 2:39:44 PM  

duckpoopy: I just can't muster up enough white progressive guilt to want to see the play or the movie.


"White progressive guilt"?  Was I supposed to feel this while enjoying a musical masterpiece?  I didn't get the memo.

Have you not listened to the soundtrack either?  If you don't like it, that's one thing, but you're seriously shortchanging yourself if this is your only reason:

Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story
Youtube _gnypiKNaJE
 
2020-06-25 2:55:57 PM  

duckpoopy: I just can't muster up enough white progressive guilt to want to see the play or the movie.


You wouldn't enjoy it. It has the hippety-hops in it. And who understands those rap guys?
 
2020-06-25 3:10:34 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: duckpoopy: I just can't muster up enough white progressive guilt to want to see the play or the movie.

You wouldn't enjoy it. It has the hippety-hops in it. And who understands those rap guys?

Prank Call of Cthulhu: duckpoopy: I just can't muster up enough white progressive guilt to want to see the play or the movie.

You wouldn't enjoy it. It has the hippety-hops in it. And who understands those rap guys?


I'll be honest:  When my friend told me it was a musical that had hip-hop in it, I brushed it off.

But she has an impeccable taste in music that has never failed me once, so I listened to "Wait for It" anyhow and was blown away.  I'm still bowled over by that song.

I've actually revised my opinion of the hip-hop genre since I first heard the soundtrack, and that is not "white progressive guilt."  It's because I learned that you never know what cool thing you might discover if you immediately nope something out of hand.
 
2020-06-25 3:59:58 PM  

optikeye: I was kinda hoping it would be a 'movie' and not just the filmed play.
Here's a bit one group did, that I think is excellent.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Rgiyq7rq​Whg]


I think that's going to eventually come. A Broadway musical this big has to have a screen adaptation like it or not.
 
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