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(The Grio)   Uber, Lyft algorithms charge more for rides to non-white neighborhoods, study says. So that's what Uber Black is   (thegrio.com) divider line
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300 clicks; posted to Business » on 25 Jun 2020 at 12:30 AM (9 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-06-24 7:50:02 PM  
Drivers for either service sure AF do not see a difference.
 
2020-06-24 8:03:03 PM  
Seems like fares should be based on how far the driver has to go to make the pickup, length of the ride and how far the driver will likely need to travel to pick up the next passenger. If no one is calling for a pickup in a given neighborhood it should cost a bit more to get a ride there. Maybe instead focus on the economic disparities in predominately non-white communities that make those areas less likely to have people looking for rides? Just a thought.
 
2020-06-24 8:11:31 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Seems like fares should be based on how far the driver has to go to make the pickup, length of the ride and how far the driver will likely need to travel to pick up the next passenger. If no one is calling for a pickup in a given neighborhood it should cost a bit more to get a ride there. Maybe instead focus on the economic disparities in predominately non-white communities that make those areas less likely to have people looking for rides? Just a thought.


Those disparities are often largely caused by white flight
 
2020-06-24 8:26:40 PM  

farkingbubbler: Drivers for either service sure AF do not see a difference.


You got that right.
 
2020-06-24 8:42:41 PM  
If this were random, once, just once, it would in favor of black people.

Systemic racism is everywhere
 
2020-06-24 11:26:43 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: fragMasterFlash: Seems like fares should be based on how far the driver has to go to make the pickup, length of the ride and how far the driver will likely need to travel to pick up the next passenger. If no one is calling for a pickup in a given neighborhood it should cost a bit more to get a ride there. Maybe instead focus on the economic disparities in predominately non-white communities that make those areas less likely to have people looking for rides? Just a thought.

Those disparities are often largely caused by white flight


Holy shiat, white people can fly!?

*flaps arms frantically*
 
2020-06-24 11:27:37 PM  
huff

On second read, I see you meant migration away from said neighorhoods.
 
2020-06-25 1:17:08 AM  
Uber Black

Is that a pornhub thing?
 
2020-06-25 1:27:28 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Uber Black

Is that a pornhub thing?


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2020-06-25 2:26:04 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Holy shiat, white people can fly!?


Yup, that's the White Privilege we keep hearing so much about.

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2020-06-25 2:28:00 AM  
I can easily argue both sides on this one, I'll take the full of crap side. The algorithm doesn't like lower income neighborhoods. These are predominantly non-white. It is not discriminating based on race, but income.

In reality, this is one of the cornerstones of systemic racism. It's not racist, they just happened to be in an economically depressed area.
 
2020-06-25 5:05:27 AM  
Algorithms are tools to enforce racism. This is not news. It could be evidence that is used to shiat down Uber and Lyft, and that would help fight racism in general.
 
2020-06-25 6:51:09 AM  
This is precisely the cause of systemic racism, where 100 years of slavery and 100 years of segregation and 50 years of begrudging tolerance keep minorities behind the eight ball simply because of 100 years of slavery and 100 years of segregation and 50 years of begrudging tolerance.

There isn't just one factor that raises the cost per mile, and these neighborhoods have several of those factors.

The problem here is there's no intentional bias to form the basis of a lawsuit. No way to force a change in the system. The only way out I see is keep studying these, and keep a list of all the reasons why black folk can't catch up. It's not racism, it's capitalism in this case. Everything America has done to black folks has put them in a position where capitalism works against them. And of course for whities.

If you don't know the difference between actual racism and institutional racism, now is a great time to learn.
 
2020-06-25 7:03:55 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: fragMasterFlash: Seems like fares should be based on how far the driver has to go to make the pickup, length of the ride and how far the driver will likely need to travel to pick up the next passenger. If no one is calling for a pickup in a given neighborhood it should cost a bit more to get a ride there. Maybe instead focus on the economic disparities in predominately non-white communities that make those areas less likely to have people looking for rides? Just a thought.

Those disparities are often largely caused by white flight


White people move out to places with better services: white flight, bad.
White people move in: gentrification, bad.
White people stay where they are: defacto segregation, bad.

/What a strange game etc etc
 
2020-06-25 7:50:01 AM  

DerAppie: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: fragMasterFlash: Seems like fares should be based on how far the driver has to go to make the pickup, length of the ride and how far the driver will likely need to travel to pick up the next passenger. If no one is calling for a pickup in a given neighborhood it should cost a bit more to get a ride there. Maybe instead focus on the economic disparities in predominately non-white communities that make those areas less likely to have people looking for rides? Just a thought.

Those disparities are often largely caused by white flight

White people move out to places with better services: white flight, bad.
White people move in: gentrification, bad.
White people stay where they are: defacto segregation, bad.

/What a strange game etc etc


I mean, if you boil gentrification and white flight down to 9 words or less that kind of vaguely but don't really describe a part of what they mean, I guess they sound kinda strange.

"White people moving to places with better services" is a pretty shiatty definition of white flight as the term is actually used, and "white people move in" is equally misleading as a definition of gentrification.
 
2020-06-25 8:05:08 AM  
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2020-06-25 8:53:33 AM  
So travel to high crime areas requires hazard pay?
 
2020-06-25 9:36:03 AM  
Correlation, causality and all that. The article is wrong, they charge more to travel to and from areas where the driver is less likely to grab another rider.  Source: former heroin addict who used to Uber to and from all sorts of sketchy places - white and non-white.
 
2020-06-25 10:00:56 AM  
Try getting a fixed-price taxi to pick you up in certain neighborhoods in Chicago. It won't happen. The City of Chicago doesn't have a formal, mandatory requirement that taxis provide service to 100% of the city. The requirement is the hail goes out over the radio (or text or whatever) and it's up to drivers to decide if they'll pick it up. Often, no one does.
 
2020-06-25 10:19:52 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Correlation, causality and all that. The article is wrong, they charge more to travel to and from areas where the driver is less likely to grab another rider.  Source: former heroin addict who used to Uber to and from all sorts of sketchy places - white and non-white.


I drove for a year. You are right or should say your friend is right.

I was anywhere and everywhere in Vegas, North Las Vegas, Henderson. Almost always overnight. I live and grew up in Noth Las Vegas. Some real bad areas too (Bannaza &15th anyone). Skinny white guy.

I started at sunset. Would try to get a ride from my house before I left. But I could be waiting around for awhile. Usually I would leave my house after an hour going online. I would stay out of North Town or Sportsmen's Manner. Why? Problems in those areas. Always problems, mostly waiting way too long at a stop, almost always a shared ride (less money), people begging for a ride for free, or they try and scam a ride. I had no problem taking anyone, anywhere, 6pm-5am. Including North Town or Sportsmen's Manner and blast Motorhead on my way out. But I would not stick around. And drop rides (I did so many rides I could manage it). And always rejected Uber Eats requests.
 
2020-06-25 2:01:42 PM  
oh so you mean none of you fooking nutts for brains had a fooking clue about why cab prices were regulated and publicly posted fixed not flexible or arbitrary.


Gee look at that arbitrarily thing going on with all cabs everywhere in America posting their prices in a  fixed way up front for everyone to see and know with no arbitrary on the fly pricing changes.
Surely that is just totally unrelated not systematic arbitrary stuff going on.  let's just ignore all that and do anything that makes money fast.
 
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