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2020-06-24 6:21:16 PM  
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2020-06-24 6:38:47 PM  
Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.
 
2020-06-24 6:41:35 PM  
What a heartwrenching story. I hope she and her wife find another faith community that can welcome them with open hearts and arms.
 
2020-06-24 9:08:23 PM  
They can believe anything they want.

Just like I can believe going to church is a waste of time and not take my kids to service to get brainwashed.

/lapsed Catholic
 
2020-06-24 9:14:42 PM  
I was hoping her wife's name was Rhonda.
 
2020-06-24 9:15:51 PM  
This is one of the reasons I will never darken the door of a church again.
 
2020-06-24 9:16:05 PM  

Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.


Their right to fire people should not violate the first amendment.  In the context of a business, a business is not a religion.
 
2020-06-24 9:16:58 PM  

Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.


LOL.
So Racism is protected?
So if my religion says to punch you, that should be protected?
If they can fire you, why can't they kill you?


And if I can't Punch you and I can't kill you, I sure as hell can't fire you.
 
2020-06-24 9:17:35 PM  
Hopefully after we get this brotherhood of racist, murderer cops thing sorted out, we can start moving to end organized religion

I don't care what brand it is, it's all bullshiat used to abuse, oppress, rape and murder
 
2020-06-24 9:17:44 PM  
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Get back to me when they quit farking kids.
I set foot in a church for two things... weddings and funerals of people I love.
 
2020-06-24 9:19:09 PM  
Just like Jesus would do.
I bet if you took a survey of Catholics, a lot of them don't believe a lot of things their own Church teaches. Which goes directly against being "Catholic".
Oh wait, they have done surveys. The majority (at least American Catholics) don't even believe in transubstantiation. Pretty core belief there, guys.
So the question is, why are they Catholics? Same reason a lot of people are whatever religion or political party. They "just are" on that team and don't know why.
 
2020-06-24 9:19:49 PM  

Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.


So farking what? Just because you're free to do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's even remotely defensible if you do.
 
2020-06-24 9:19:55 PM  

Dahnkster: [Fark user image 223x226]
Get back to me when they quit farking kids.
I set foot in a church for two things... weddings and funerals of people I love.


I only go to funerals of people I hate, just to make sure they're really dead.
/and weddings, b/c they're just like funerals AMIRITE??
//remember the two for one steak dinner coupon whenever you place a bet at the sports book
 
2020-06-24 9:20:11 PM  
If she had got caught raping a child they would have given her a raise and offered her a position at another facility.

Religion is a mental disorder.
 
2020-06-24 9:20:41 PM  
Can you blame them? A church leader who is virtually guaranteed not to get too handsy with the altar boys?
They take tradition seriously.
 
2020-06-24 9:21:51 PM  
This thread arouses my interests
Pipe Organ and Drums-In A Gadda Da Vida
Youtube G14TFy7fhxs
 
2020-06-24 9:24:51 PM  
should tell them all they need to know about their chosen religion.
 
2020-06-24 9:26:01 PM  
You know those people who go to a national park and try to get a selfie with a grizzly bear? They're more rational than these people who get fired from religious jobs for breaking stupid religious rules.
 
2020-06-24 9:28:00 PM  

ginandbacon: What a heartwrenching story. I hope she and her wife find another faith community that can welcome them with open hearts and arms.


Having to go with an alternate venue is not heartwrenching, it's inconvenient
 
2020-06-24 9:29:05 PM  

waxbeans: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

LOL.
So Racism is protected?
So if my religion says to punch you, that should be protected?
If they can fire you, why can't they kill you?


And if I can't Punch you and I can't kill you, I sure as hell can't fire you.


Freedom of peaceful assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right or ability of people to come together and collectively express, promote, pursue, and defend their collective or shared ideas.[2] The right to freedom of association is recognized as a human right, a political right and a civil liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom​_​of_assembly
 
2020-06-24 9:29:35 PM  

Begoggle: Just like Jesus would do.
I bet if you took a survey of Catholics, a lot of them don't believe a lot of things their own Church teaches. Which goes directly against being "Catholic".
Oh wait, they have done surveys. The majority (at least American Catholics) don't even believe in transubstantiation. Pretty core belief there, guys.
So the question is, why are they Catholics? Same reason a lot of people are whatever religion or political party. They "just are" on that team and don't know why.


Also known as childhood indoctrination
 
2020-06-24 9:29:44 PM  
The short version

Christopher Hitchens vs the Catholic Church
Youtube Tfqe5kK8z8M
 
2020-06-24 9:29:58 PM  
The Jesuit priest, Father Martin, addressed this, saying it's repugnant and that they are working to include, not exclude, the LGBT community.
At least it will poke a hole in the "sincerely held religious belief" BS.
 
2020-06-24 9:31:39 PM  

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Random thought that popped into my little head. "What the fark kind of maintenance does a device like that require?".  It's huge
 
2020-06-24 9:32:29 PM  

Nintenfreak: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

Their right to fire people should not violate the first amendment.  In the context of a business, a business is not a religion.


This has nothing to do with free speech or the press
 
2020-06-24 9:32:46 PM  
I was an organist in a Catholic church for a decade. It paid for all the drinking I did during college, and a choir loft is a surprisingly fun place to bring a date.
 
2020-06-24 9:33:39 PM  

Chuck87: waxbeans: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

LOL.
So Racism is protected?
So if my religion says to punch you, that should be protected?
If they can fire you, why can't they kill you?


And if I can't Punch you and I can't kill you, I sure as hell can't fire you.

Freedom of peaceful assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right or ability of people to come together and collectively express, promote, pursue, and defend their collective or shared ideas.[2] The right to freedom of association is recognized as a human right, a political right and a civil liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_​of_assembly


And?

Having someone different as an employee doesn't harm that one single bit.
Being just in hiring and firing doesn't harm anyone's rights in any way or form. To say so is stupid and disingenuous.
Eat cock.
 
2020-06-24 9:37:13 PM  
Switching over the  Episcopalian Church (from the Catholic Church) should be a no-brainer here.

An Episcopalian, Robin Williams once listed his "Top 10 Reasons to be an Episcopalian":
10. No snake-handling.
9. You can believe in dinosaurs.
8. Male and female God created them; male and female we ordain them.
7. You don't have to check your brains at the door.
6. Pew aerobics.
5. Church year is color-coded.
4. Free wine on Sunday.
3. All of the pageantry - none of the guilt.
2. You don't have to know how to swim to get baptized.
1. No matter what you believe, there's bound to be at least one other Episcopalian who agrees with you.
 
2020-06-24 9:37:37 PM  

Nintenfreak: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

Their right to fire people should not violate the first amendment.  In the context of a business, a business is not a religion.


private individuals cannot violate the first amendment.

The church is well within its rights to fire her.
 
2020-06-24 9:39:44 PM  
Kiddie rape still okay.
 
2020-06-24 9:40:34 PM  
If they can't accept how the world is, there's no way they could know the future.  Total nonprophet organization.
 
2020-06-24 9:41:18 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: If she had got caught raping a child they would have given her a raise and offered her a position at another facility.

Religion is a mental disorder.


Yes and no.

Technically yes, the level of cognitative dissonance required to maintain the belief does qualify as a mental disorder.

However, because it is introduced at such an early age in mental development, that loophole is somewhat hardwired in our brains, even for athiests...  so the Head Docs don't qualify it as a disorder.

Congratz!  We all have broken brains because of these idiots!
 
2020-06-24 9:43:20 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If they can't accept how the world is, there's no way they could know the future.  Total nonprophet organization.


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2020-06-24 9:55:07 PM  
So she stayed with a religion/political organization that abused her and spent political money to rob her of her rights because she:
(a) really loves child rape?
(b) hates literally all other Christian churches so much that she would rather prop up her evil faith than attend a different church?

fark this selfish biatch.
 
2020-06-24 9:57:23 PM  
Personally, I love Lesbian music.

Lebanese music
Youtube spHbsI72RL8
 
2020-06-24 9:57:49 PM  

BlueBox: berylman: This thread arouses my interests
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Random thought that popped into my little head. "What the fark kind of maintenance does a device like that require?".  It's huge


That's what she said!
 
2020-06-24 10:00:38 PM  

sprgrss: Nintenfreak: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

Their right to fire people should not violate the first amendment.  In the context of a business, a business is not a religion.

private individuals cannot violate the first amendment.

The church is well within its rights to fire her.


You're right that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act might. In part:

it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning to hire and employ employees of a particular religion if such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is, in whole or in substantial part, owned, supported, controlled, or managed by a particular religion or by a particular religious corporation, association, or society, or if the curriculum of such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is directed toward the propagation of a particular religion.

That's the exception granted to religious institutions. They can discriminate in regards to employment on the basis of religion. They can not discriminate on the grounds of any other protected class. They might not be covered here, as the Supreme Court ruling states that sexual preference is a protected class due to sex being a protected class.

On the other hand, if it goes to court then they could claim that their objection to employing an LBGT person is based on that person failing to meet their religious standards, which would make her firing religious discrimination and therefore legal. It would be interesting to see how that would go in court.

IANAL, of course, so take what I say with the usual grain of salt.
 
2020-06-24 10:02:37 PM  

Begoggle: Just like Jesus would do.
I bet if you took a survey of Catholics, a lot of them don't believe a lot of things their own Church teaches. Which goes directly against being "Catholic".
Oh wait, they have done surveys. The majority (at least American Catholics) don't even believe in transubstantiation. Pretty core belief there, guys.
So the question is, why are they Catholics? Same reason a lot of people are whatever religion or political party. They "just are" on that team and don't know why.


They're Catholics because it's their church too. The magisterium is more than a Bishop, and it only takes a few hundred years to bring them along.

To quote James I. McCord:  "If you must make a choice between heresy and schism, always choose heresy. As a schismatic, you have torn and divided the body of Christ. Choose heresy every time."

/McCord was a Presbyterian
//Splitter
 
2020-06-24 10:06:04 PM  

chitownmike: ginandbacon: What a heartwrenching story. I hope she and her wife find another faith community that can welcome them with open hearts and arms.

Having to go with an alternate venue is not heartwrenching, it's inconvenient


I think most lifelong Catholics would disagree with you. The Church is a mother to them and it is incredibly painful to be rejected like this especially if you have given your life over to service in her name.

I am not religious but it doesn't take much imagination for me to understand the joy a congregant feels in worship or the intense hurt she would experience in losing her place in her community. The empathy I feel for her and her wife is what I would consider fellowship.
 
2020-06-24 10:16:38 PM  
Is there a religious parallel for face-eating leopards?
 
2020-06-24 10:16:47 PM  

ginandbacon: The Church is a mother to them


More like an uncle with boundary issues.
 
2020-06-24 10:21:10 PM  
Any exemption from civil law issued to a religion should be extreme and clear and well defined by the tenants of their faith. And should be consistent to the rest of the dogma.
 
2020-06-24 10:24:29 PM  

Gordon Bennett: sprgrss: Nintenfreak: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

Their right to fire people should not violate the first amendment.  In the context of a business, a business is not a religion.

private individuals cannot violate the first amendment.

The church is well within its rights to fire her.

You're right that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act might. In part:

it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning to hire and employ employees of a particular religion if such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is, in whole or in substantial part, owned, supported, controlled, or managed by a particular religion or by a particular religious corporation, association, or society, or if the curriculum of such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is directed toward the propagation of a particular religion.

That's the exception granted to religious institutions. They can discriminate in regards to employment on the basis of religion. They can not discriminate on the grounds of any other protected class. They might not be covered here, as the Supreme Court ruling states that sexual preference is a protected class due to sex being a protected class.

On the other hand, if it goes to court then they could claim that their objection to employing an LBGT person is based on that person failing to meet their religious standards, which would make her firing religious discrimination and therefore legal. It would be interesting to see how that would go in court.

IANAL, of course, so take what I say with the usual grain of salt.


Which is complete BS because it violates equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. If an LGBTQ organization fired someone for attending a Catholic Mass, the religious nutter would instantly throw a fit and file suit. If that same Catholic went into their 2nd job at a church  and fired a gay person, no big deal. So the law protects the rights of some associations more than others. They should remove religion as a protected class altogether if they want to discriminate against people.
 
2020-06-24 10:26:19 PM  

chitownmike: ginandbacon: What a heartwrenching story. I hope she and her wife find another faith community that can welcome them with open hearts and arms.

Having to go with an alternate venue is not heartwrenching, it's inconvenient


Not only did you not read the article, you didn't even read the headline!
 
2020-06-24 10:28:52 PM  

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2020-06-24 10:32:47 PM  
Couldn't they just transfer her to another parish? Worked well for sinning priests for quite a while.
 
2020-06-24 10:34:12 PM  

rosekolodny: chitownmike: ginandbacon: What a heartwrenching story. I hope she and her wife find another faith community that can welcome them with open hearts and arms.

Having to go with an alternate venue is not heartwrenching, it's inconvenient

Not only did you not read the article, you didn't even read the headline!


I love you, dear.
 
2020-06-24 10:38:10 PM  

ginandbacon: rosekolodny: chitownmike: ginandbacon: What a heartwrenching story. I hope she and her wife find another faith community that can welcome them with open hearts and arms.

Having to go with an alternate venue is not heartwrenching, it's inconvenient

Not only did you not read the article, you didn't even read the headline!

I love you, dear.


XOXOXOXO
 
2020-06-24 10:39:26 PM  
God is not in the church. He is in us and the world outside is His church.

Whatever God you believe in.
 
2020-06-24 10:44:19 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Gordon Bennett: sprgrss: Nintenfreak: Hubris Boy: Subby presumably believes in the separation of Church and State? This is what it looks like. Are the people who fired her a**holes? Quite possibly. Are they within their rights? Absolutely.

Their right to fire people should not violate the first amendment.  In the context of a business, a business is not a religion.

private individuals cannot violate the first amendment.

The church is well within its rights to fire her.

You're right that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act might. In part:

it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning to hire and employ employees of a particular religion if such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is, in whole or in substantial part, owned, supported, controlled, or managed by a particular religion or by a particular religious corporation, association, or society, or if the curriculum of such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is directed toward the propagation of a particular religion.

That's the exception granted to religious institutions. They can discriminate in regards to employment on the basis of religion. They can not discriminate on the grounds of any other protected class. They might not be covered here, as the Supreme Court ruling states that sexual preference is a protected class due to sex being a protected class.

On the other hand, if it goes to court then they could claim that their objection to employing an LBGT person is based on that person failing to meet their religious standards, which would make her firing religious discrimination and therefore legal. It would be interesting to see how that would go in court.

IANAL, of course, so take what I say with the usual grain of salt.

Which is complete BS because it violates equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. If an LGBTQ organization fired someone for attending a Catholic Mass, the religious nutter would instantly throw a fit and file suit. If that same Catholic went into their 2nd job at a church  and fired a gay person, no big deal. So the law protects the rights of some associations more than others. They should remove religion as a protected class altogether if they want to discriminate against people.


While I would agree with you it wouldn't be the Christians that are discriminated against, it would be the atheist, Pastafarians, Jedi and other religions practiced by small numbers of people.
 
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