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(News 13 Orlando)   Trump's White House wins ruling on health care, and surprisingly it's not a plan to grind up newborn babies to power Kellyanne Conway's soul for another week, it's actually . . . huh, it's actually a good thing? Is that possible?   (mynews13.com) divider line
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2020-06-24 2:10:10 PM  
"This may very well be bigger than healthcare itself," Trump tweeted Tuesday, on the ruling.

No, it isn't, you confused dotard.
 
2020-06-24 3:48:25 PM  
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2020-06-24 4:03:54 PM  
It's almost as if you tried stuff that wasn't illegal, and actually promoted the public weal that courts might not reject your argumentation.

Will he and his staff learn this lesson? That's about as likely as joining Jim downstream, and finding him happy and comfortable...
 
2020-06-24 5:41:42 PM  
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2020-06-24 8:44:57 PM  
Yeah, I can't argue against that. Actually, I can think of a thousand reasons that I should be able to get a quote on a new ankle same as I can on a new milling machine before I buy the damn thing. It's a shame he isn't killing us all before we can enjoy the luxury.
 
2020-06-24 8:45:56 PM  
This is a big deal. I'll give him this one. Well done, you stupid incompetent treasonous deranged mango.
 
2020-06-24 8:47:13 PM  
...fark, did I accidentally pour the Mr. Hyde solution into my glass or something? To clarify, I'd be happy with less death, not more.
 
2020-06-24 8:49:35 PM  
Yeah, well, Trump is a busy guy. You can't expect him to know what goes on with every single obscure department like "Health and Human Services" ( whatever that is!)
 
2020-06-24 8:49:51 PM  
Having had the experience of unsuccessfully trying to find out how much a procedure would cost before having it, I appreciate this change.

However, it won't do a damn thing to cut the price of health care. They're still chasing that "marketplace for healthcare" mirage that all other wealthy countries gave up on decades ago.
 
2020-06-24 8:50:35 PM  
Dont worry guys, I'm sure we'll receive the bosom-hidden-dagger soon enough.

/huh huh
//bosom
 
2020-06-24 8:51:06 PM  
So how does this personally benefit Trump?
 
2020-06-24 8:52:00 PM  

eiger: However, it won't do a damn thing to cut the price of health care. They're still chasing that "marketplace for healthcare" mirage that all other wealthy countries gave up on decades ago.


^^ this
 
2020-06-24 8:53:11 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Dont worry guys, I'm sure we'll receive the bosom-hidden-dagger soon enough.

/huh huh
//bosom


Yeah. We'll look at the prices and wind up having to compare rates on heart surgery on top of the back pain we went in for.
 
2020-06-24 8:57:31 PM  
If America is going to continue privatizing healthcare, then we should promote competition.
If I'm getting a knee replaced, I want to know the retail cost vs negotiated insurance rates. I don't want the hospital looking at me like an uninsured cash cow. It's not fair. It's not really ethical.
 
2020-06-24 8:57:47 PM  
One problem that I see from all of this is the idea that anything that is medical is "routine".  A better alternative is what the rest of the ENTIRE FARKING INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD USES.
 
2020-06-24 8:58:04 PM  
I'll be the guy who says it's not a good thing.

Here's why:

1. This is an Executive Order that in the absence of legislation passed by Congress likely violates the Commerce Clause in the Constitution since the vast majority of health care pricing is local or within state systems.

2. The judge who ruled on it is a Trump appointee, smacks of influence, and I would suspect this gets shot down in the SCOTUS. So it's noise.

3. Being able to see the sticker price of an operation is just like seeing the sticker price on a Bugatti. You still can't afford it, so enjoy bankruptcy.

Single payer national healthcare. Now.
 
2020-06-24 9:06:41 PM  
The US Healthcare system is bid on price opacity, not transparency....I can't wait for Trump to go (by whatever method he eventually does), but this idea, prescription drug price reforms and insurance portability are actually good ideas. Too bad Trump has been trying to dismantle actual access to health care in the meantime.
 
2020-06-24 9:08:45 PM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: This is a big deal. I'll give him this one. Well done, you stupid incompetent treasonous deranged mango.


Much like how he saved millions of lives shutting down fights from China, he'll now be promoting how he saved healthcare and that we can now shut down the ACA
 
2020-06-24 9:09:05 PM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: This is a big deal. I'll give him this one. Well done, you stupid incompetent treasonous deranged mango.


Which makes me very suspicious of it.

Oh yeah, that's right. Trump does not own any hospitals. He had a hotel on Boardwalk and farked that up. I can't imagine him caring for people's health by owning a hospital.
 
2020-06-24 9:09:20 PM  
normally, one doesn't get credit for doing the bare minimum. but considering trump was met with cheers from 6,000 people for drinking a glass of water with one hand, this win deserves a gulag archipelago level applause marathon
 
2020-06-24 9:13:29 PM  
only took 3 years but I think we can say he got to number 4:P
 
2020-06-24 9:41:15 PM  

hubiestubert: It's almost as if you tried stuff that wasn't illegal, and actually promoted the public weal that courts might not reject your argumentation.

Will he and his staff learn this lesson? That's about as likely as joining Jim downstream, and finding him happy and comfortable...


Honest question: is this some sort of pop-culture reference? I have no idea what that phrase means.
 
2020-06-24 9:41:20 PM  

thealgorerhythm: I'll be the guy who says it's not a good thing.

Here's why:

1. This is an Executive Order that in the absence of legislation passed by Congress likely violates the Commerce Clause in the Constitution since the vast majority of health care pricing is local or within state systems.

2. The judge who ruled on it is a Trump appointee, smacks of influence, and I would suspect this gets shot down in the SCOTUS. So it's noise.

3. Being able to see the sticker price of an operation is just like seeing the sticker price on a Bugatti. You still can't afford it, so enjoy bankruptcy.

Single payer national healthcare. Now.


And to expand on #3 - what really matters to most patients is the out-of-pocket cost, not the charge master price, which doesn't take into account any insurance than you have.  The only people that really benefit from knowing the charge master price are self-pay patients.  You can easily pick what looks to be the cheaper option and end up paying more out-of-pocket.
 
2020-06-24 9:54:18 PM  
Why does the submitter believe that Kellyanne Conway has a soul?
 
2020-06-24 10:00:57 PM  

Bruscar: Why does the submitter believe that Kellyanne Conway has a soul?


It's as-yet unconfirmed, since no one's found the phylactery so far.
 
2020-06-24 10:05:18 PM  
Seriously, a person should be able to get an accurate quote on any medication, medical device, or medical procedure before signing a contract obligating payment. Our state already has such a law, but doctors and health facilities choose whether to abide by that law because there is no enforcement mechanism. Typically, Kaiser Permanente refuses flat out when I request a price or quote of any kind.

For years, I wondered why Republicans believed moving to single-payer, universal healthcare would mean no longer being to see your own doctor and being forced to stand in cattle lines to access basic care. "How could anyone dream up such an idea?" I wondered.

Then an employer switched us to Kaiser Permanente and now I know. These companies must not be allowed anywhere near a single-payer, universal healthcare system. If they are, they will prove Republican voters right to our sorrow. Personally, I'd prefer that Kaiser Permanente were ground out of existence like a cockroach under the heel of a boot as single-payer, universal healthcare is implemented. Not that I have strong feelings on the topic.
 
2020-06-24 10:09:15 PM  
thealgorerhythm

I love you. Unless you're a dude. In which case delete my number.
 
2020-06-24 10:37:15 PM  

Nullav: Yeah, I can't argue against that. Actually, I can think of a thousand reasons that I should be able to get a quote on a new ankle same as I can on a new milling machine before I buy the damn thing. It's a shame he isn't killing us all before we can enjoy the luxury.


Or just go get the procedure because you live in a first world country.  One day i hope to.
 
2020-06-24 10:39:38 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: If America is going to continue privatizing healthcare, then we should promote competition.
If I'm getting a knee replaced, I want to know the retail cost vs negotiated insurance rates. I don't want the hospital looking at me like an uninsured cash cow. It's not fair. It's not really ethical.


But the insurance companies' argument is that if you know the price, prices will go up and competition will go down.  I've never seen that economic model, but they said it so it must be true.
 
2020-06-24 11:06:27 PM  
Nonono, the point is that Trump and Co. can't decided what to grift if they don't get to examine the books. Transparency for thee, not for me. If the public is better off, I assure you that it is purely a coincidence and will be rectified as soon as lizard-person-ly possible.
 
2020-06-24 11:10:28 PM  

Dimensio: So how does this personally benefit Trump?


Exactly.  I mean, one decent thing done in 3 years?  Something that helps people?  How the hell did this happen?  There's no way he's not grifting somehow here.  And, if so, then I guess the rumors are true about his mental condition...he didn't know what he was doing.
 
2020-06-24 11:48:52 PM  
All this means is the hospital industry has yet to pay off lobby the correct people.
 
2020-06-24 11:53:02 PM  

thealgorerhythm: I'll be the guy who says it's not a good thing.

Here's why:

1. This is an Executive Order that in the absence of legislation passed by Congress likely violates the Commerce Clause in the Constitution since the vast majority of health care pricing is local or within state systems.

2. The judge who ruled on it is a Trump appointee, smacks of influence, and I would suspect this gets shot down in the SCOTUS. So it's noise.

3. Being able to see the sticker price of an operation is just like seeing the sticker price on a Bugatti. You still can't afford it, so enjoy bankruptcy.

Single payer national healthcare. Now.


It's all meaningless.  If you have a Cadillac health insurance plan like back in the 90s and only have a $20 copay you don't care what the hospital charges the insurer.  If you have a crummy plan or no insurance, I imagine most adults now know they are going bankrupt.    I guess you can pick your hospital.  It would be much more useful to force hospitals to disclose how they handle large medical debt that can't be paid.  If they are generous with debt forgiveness, get the surgery there.
As an alternative if possible leave the US for treatment elsewhere.  It's best not to have risky, expensive surgery in a 3rd world country.
 
2020-06-25 12:03:24 AM  

thealgorerhythm: I'll be the guy who says it's not a good thing.

Here's why:

1. This is an Executive Order that in the absence of legislation passed by Congress likely violates the Commerce Clause in the Constitution since the vast majority of health care pricing is local or within state systems.

2. The judge who ruled on it is a Trump appointee, smacks of influence, and I would suspect this gets shot down in the SCOTUS. So it's noise.

3. Being able to see the sticker price of an operation is just like seeing the sticker price on a Bugatti. You still can't afford it, so enjoy bankruptcy.

Single payer national healthcare. Now.


You raise good points and thank you, but lets just marvel at the utter buttfarkery of these gems from TFA:

Industry argues that forcing the disclosure of prices negotiated between hospitals and insurers amounts to coercion.

and

Melinda Hatton, general counsel for the hospital association, said the trade group is disappointed by the ruling upholding what she called a "flawed" policy. Hatton, too, cited the coronavirus pandemic, saying that complying with the rule would impose new costs at the wrong time.

"Now is not the time," is the wail of those who are doing their level best to make sure there is never a right time. See also: Gun control.

If I wasn't too poor to afford to replace it that last one would have had me throwing things at the monitor.
 
2020-06-25 12:23:30 AM  
I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't price transparency make it easier for competitors to price fix, without actually colluding together and breaking the law?  Say, for example, that hospital A checks out how much hospital B is charging for X procedure, and simply matches it.  No need for back-room deals or anything, just a few phone calls.  I will be happy to be proven wrong.  I have a tendency to go all pessimistic where health care is concerned.
 
2020-06-25 5:05:06 AM  

rolladuck: hubiestubert: It's almost as if you tried stuff that wasn't illegal, and actually promoted the public weal that courts might not reject your argumentation.

Will he and his staff learn this lesson? That's about as likely as joining Jim downstream, and finding him happy and comfortable...

Honest question: is this some sort of pop-culture reference? I have no idea what that phrase means.


Once upon a time there was Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, and Marlin Perkins as the host, was a delicate elder zoologist, well, he was delicate in the 70s when I watched the show, though, in 1960 that wee man went with Edmund Hillary to chase down the Yeti on the Himilayas, so his delicacy is somewhat in question. He was assisted by Jim Fowler, who you might be familiar with as he was NBC's go-to guy to bring on animals for The Today Show for years. Jim was younger than Marlin, and he always got the rougher bits of terrain, and bigger possible dangers on the second unit.

Marlin Perkins brought the idea of conservation of wildlife across the globe to America, and as a zookeeper he established a legacy of going out to see animals in the natural habitat, and worked hard to recreate such conditions at home. He was fierce advocate for preserving and defending endangered species. But, Jim...boy howdy did he get the rougher assignments on their shoots...
 
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