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2020-06-24 11:49:16 AM  
I can't wait for Trump's wailing when other countries enact travel bans with America.
 
2020-06-24 11:49:22 AM  
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2020-06-24 11:54:08 AM  
We're number one! We're number one!
 
2020-06-24 12:12:31 PM  
no its increased testing
 
2020-06-24 12:12:34 PM  
Trump the murderer. Same with Blix. And Fox news. And red states governors.
 
2020-06-24 12:14:04 PM  
I may be just a simple country epidemiologist, but that seems a bad idea.
 
2020-06-24 12:14:23 PM  
Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.
 
2020-06-24 12:15:06 PM  

lolmao500: Trump the murderer. Same with Blix. And Fox news. And red states governors.


And anyone who still supports them despite all evidence showing that these people are a danger to the nation's health.
 
2020-06-24 12:15:40 PM  
On the same day that Texas recorded a record spike, Trump announced an end to federal support for Texas testing.

There's deplorable, and then there's stupid to the point of treasonous.
 
2020-06-24 12:15:45 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.


Yes, please stay at home. In your case, so that you don't procreate.
 
2020-06-24 12:16:16 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.


Well if you'd listened to them three months ago, forever would be ending right about now. But here you are.
 
2020-06-24 12:17:08 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade


Ie: The people who listen to people whose line of work is studying viruses rather than the people who get their medical advice from right-wing hacks?

If people were taking this more seriously, more people would feel more comfortable going outside and trying to get this economy going. Sadly that's not the case.
 
2020-06-24 12:18:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade

Ie: The people who listen to people whose line of work is studying viruses rather than the people who get their medical advice from right-wing hacks?

If people were taking this more seriously, more people would feel more comfortable going outside and trying to get this economy going. Sadly that's not the case.


But mah freedumz !!!
 
2020-06-24 12:18:50 PM  

Diogenes: I can't wait for Trump's wailing when other countries enact travel bans with America.


It's already beginning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/wo​r​ld/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-trav​el-ban.html
 
2020-06-24 12:19:01 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.


Fark "this is fine" brigade has already arrived and begun digging fortifications, I see.
 
2020-06-24 12:19:46 PM  
Hey, it's still a podium finish.
 
2020-06-24 12:21:32 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.

Fark "this is fine" brigade has already arrived and begun digging fortifications, I see.


I'm sure going to feel super owned when the "this is fine" brigade starts dying in massive numbers.
 
2020-06-24 12:23:48 PM  
Many due to the rectal sphincters like this guy:

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2020-06-24 12:24:58 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.


Some states are partially re-opening because they got their shiat under control early, mandated restrictions, and people are (largely) being smart, and they haven't seen any spikes. I have no problem with this.

Places like Texas and Arizona apparently decided to Leroy Jenkins their re-openings and hope the virus would go away by magic, and now not only are a lot of people dying, but given that viruses don't respect state lines they're ruining it for everyone else.

(8/10, nice implicit false dichotomy)
 
2020-06-24 12:27:53 PM  
TBH, the places that are seeing the spikes in cases should be locked down and quarantined again. The places that aren't seeing spikes or rises in cases, OTOH, should continue to reopen while simultaneously barring entry to anyone who has been to one of the places with recurring outbreaks.

To me, it makes no sense to shut down areas with consistently rock-bottom numbers because a man in Brazil Arizona is coughing. State border checkpoints with mandatory testing and 2-week quarantine on entry (or until your results come back negative).
 
2020-06-24 12:29:49 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.


So will be the plague rat brigade that are the reason we now need to stay home longer. Thanks, doodz. Hope YUR FREEDUMS to get haircuts were worth it.
 
2020-06-24 12:31:13 PM  

Kit Fister: TBH, the places that are seeing the spikes in cases should be locked down and quarantined again. The places that aren't seeing spikes or rises in cases, OTOH, should continue to reopen while simultaneously barring entry to anyone who has been to one of the places with recurring outbreaks.


Looks like they're taking your advice.

https://www.winknews.com/2020/06/24/t​r​avelers-to-ny-new-jersey-connecticut-f​rom-covid-19-hot-spots-told-to-isolate​/
 
2020-06-24 12:31:57 PM  
Yeah, Utah is setting new records every day. The health officials say that we may need another shutdown, the governor instead decides that it's probably a good time to phase out the Task Force instead.

Of course, this is like one of the only states that didn't have a statewide order, and the counties had to make the declarations themselves because the guv is an idiot.
 
2020-06-24 12:32:33 PM  
I have been saying it over and over again. America failed because of marketing.

Early on the narrative about masks was that it was to keep others safe. Americans are selfish pricks. We needed to make it about being selfish, about protecting yourself.

Someone needs to get to market with a mask that filters, not necessarily an N95 level mask, but better than a surgical mask. Make it comfortable and market it by saying it will protect you. They will sell like hotcakes and this will eventually get under control.
 
2020-06-24 12:34:37 PM  

clovercat: Many due to the rectal sphincters like this guy:

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I'm a big fan of masks, not so big of a fan of forcing low-wage workers enforce it.
 
2020-06-24 12:35:41 PM  

lolmao500: Trump the murderer. Same with Blix. And Fox news. And red states governors.



Wow, you just stated the absolute opposite of what is true.
 
2020-06-24 12:36:01 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: no its increased testing


Trolling or just uniformed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outloo​k​/2020/06/22/no-more-testing-doesnt-exp​lain-rise-covid-19-cases-us/

(in case you can't be arsed to click...)

It is true that the United States has dramatically expanded testing for the virus that causes covid-19. Currently, more than 400,000 tests are administered per day in this country, compared with fewer than 20,000 tests per day in early March. As President Trump has boasted, more tests for the coronavirus have been conducted in the United States than in any other country.

Of course, the main reason we have to conduct more tests than other countries is because we have the largest epidemic in the world. And we don't test out of curiosity: The key reason to do so is so we know whom to isolate, to prevent further spread.

Overall test positivity in the United States has fallen dramatically (partly because we tested so few people early on). Across the entire country, positivity is currently running at just under 5 percent, down from a peak of 21 percent in early April. That's a good sign, in general. However, more than 20 states - most of them in the South and Midwest - still have positivity rates higher than 5 percent. These include Arizona, at 17 percent; Alabama, at 12 percent; Florida, at 10 percent; Texas, at 9 percent; and Georgia, at 8 percent.
These states have also made news for their rising covid-19 case numbers. Arizona had 14,107 cases last week, when it tested 67,235 people - up from 8,802 cases and 56,424 tests in the previous week At a glance, it may look as if Arizona found more cases last week because it tested more people, but the reality is that new cases outpace the spread of testing.

In the last week, the incidence of new cases has increased in nearly half of the states. (Nationally, an average of about 20,000 cases have occurred each day since the beginning of June). For some of these states, such as West Virginia and Oregon, these increases may be due to week-to-week fluctuation, not increasing transmission. Recently, West Virginia and Oregon have both increased the number of people tested and seen a decline in test positivity. But for some states with rising case growth, it is almost certainly because more people are becoming infected.

Disconcertingly, in the past two weeks, more than 10 states have reported increases in both new cases and positivity rates. These trends are most pronounced in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas. These states are all doing more testing than in previous weeks, but if the infection rate were holding steady, we'd expect the positivity rate to at least stay level.

That states are finding more cases relative to the amount of tests they are conducting provides the strongest rebuttal to the administration's assertion that case numbers are rising because we're getting better at finding cases through increased testing. They tell us the opposite - that each of these states needs to do even more testing to find infections - followed by more rigorous contact tracing and isolation. And if states are failing to control their case numbers, they should reopen more slowly and be sure that people are adhering to social-distancing recommendations.

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So "moar testing = moar cases, durrrr" is a moot argument.
 
2020-06-24 12:37:22 PM  

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2020-06-24 12:38:40 PM  

Klivian: I have been saying it over and over again. America failed because of marketing.

Early on the narrative about masks was that it was to keep others safe. Americans are selfish pricks. We needed to make it about being selfish, about protecting yourself.

Someone needs to get to market with a mask that filters, not necessarily an N95 level mask, but better than a surgical mask. Make it comfortable and market it by saying it will protect you. They will sell like hotcakes and this will eventually get under control.


That won't do shiat. Stupid people don't want to wear masks because they think it makes them look weak because they believe virus is just like the cold or they think corona virus isn't real and it's just a made up excuse to take away their right to not wear a mask which is some how completely different than being forced to wear pants.

Stupid people are only going to wear masks when absolutely forced to. Even then many won't and will face the legal consequences where applicable.
 
2020-06-24 12:39:09 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Some states are partially re-opening because they got their shiat under control early, mandated restrictions, and people are (largely) being smart, and they haven't seen any spikes. I have no problem with this.


Exactly.

I'm in Illinois.  We locked down with the earliest wave of lockdowns even though we weren't one of the earliest hit states.  We've had pretty strong social distancing mandates and have had facemasks required in public indoor spaces since May 1, which is waaaay earlier than most states.

As a result, our numbers are excellent.  In my part of the state, we have positive test rates well less than 1% and deaths are few and far between.  We're reopening this Friday, and it makes total sense given our numbers.  And the reopening is properly cautious - facemasks are still required indoors where reasonable (i.e. pretty much every place but restaurants), everything has to be at low capacity, things like menus have to be sanitized between every use, etc.

People really can't grasp that different things are happening in different parts of the country.  Many states did very little with coronavirus, and are seeing big problems now.  But many states have taken it seriously and should be (slowly) reopening now because their numbers are good and they have a reasonable plan in place.

But I see so many people on social media whining about sure doom in Illinois because Florida is a shiatshow.  Those arguments are always silly.  Different places in the US have had very different policies and are therefore experiencing different results.  You can't apply uniform thinking to that huge diversity.
 
2020-06-24 12:39:29 PM  
WHO data (covid19.who.int) shows cases rising sharply worldwide, but daily deaths are actually declining gradually. This has been the situation for the last 3 weeks at least. I think there has been a little bit of hysteria regarding case count; as long as hospitalization rates and death counts are declining, we have to keep opening up. Of course, deaths are a lagged indicator, so we have to keep an eye on that, but case count is not the only metric that matters.
 
2020-06-24 12:41:57 PM  

orezona: Prank Call of Cthulhu: no its increased testing

Trolling or just uniformed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook​/2020/06/22/no-more-testing-doesnt-exp​lain-rise-covid-19-cases-us/

(in case you can't be arsed to click...)

It is true that the United States has dramatically expanded testing for the virus that causes covid-19. Currently, more than 400,000 tests are administered per day in this country, compared with fewer than 20,000 tests per day in early March. As President Trump has boasted, more tests for the coronavirus have been conducted in the United States than in any other country.

Of course, the main reason we have to conduct more tests than other countries is because we have the largest epidemic in the world. And we don't test out of curiosity: The key reason to do so is so we know whom to isolate, to prevent further spread.

Overall test positivity in the United States has fallen dramatically (partly because we tested so few people early on). Across the entire country, positivity is currently running at just under 5 percent, down from a peak of 21 percent in early April. That's a good sign, in general. However, more than 20 states - most of them in the South and Midwest - still have positivity rates higher than 5 percent. These include Arizona, at 17 percent; Alabama, at 12 percent; Florida, at 10 percent; Texas, at 9 percent; and Georgia, at 8 percent.
These states have also made news for their rising covid-19 case numbers. Arizona had 14,107 cases last week, when it tested 67,235 people - up from 8,802 cases and 56,424 tests in the previous week At a glance, it may look as if Arizona found more cases last week because it tested more people, but the reality is that new cases outpace the spread of testing.

In the last week, the incidence of new cases has increased in nearly half of the states. (Nationally, an average of about 20,000 cases have occurred each day since the beginning of June). For some of these states, such as West Virginia and Oregon, these increases may be due to week-to-week fluctuation, not increasing transmission. Recently, West Virginia and Oregon have both increased the number of people tested and seen a decline in test positivity. But for some states with rising case growth, it is almost certainly because more people are becoming infected.

Disconcertingly, in the past two weeks, more than 10 states have reported increases in both new cases and positivity rates. These trends are most pronounced in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas. These states are all doing more testing than in previous weeks, but if the infection rate were holding steady, we'd expect the positivity rate to at least stay level.

That states are finding more cases relative to the amount of tests they are conducting provides the strongest rebuttal to the administration's assertion that case numbers are rising because we're getting better at finding cases through increased testing. They tell us the opposite - that each of these states needs to do even more testing to find infections - followed by more rigorous contact tracing and isolation. And if states are failing to control their case numbers, they should reopen more slowly and be sure that people are adhering to social-distancing recommendations.

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So "moar testing = moar cases, durrrr" is a moot argument.


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The positivity rate in Texas is going up
 
2020-06-24 12:42:24 PM  

orezona: Trolling or just uniformed?


Trolling is such a harsh, and in this case inaccurate word. Think of it as "ironically referencing a meme" to make a point about dumb people who keep going "BuT tHe TeStInG hAs InCrEaSeD!" The rate of new cases as always had a steeper slope than any increase in testing.
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2020-06-24 12:44:19 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.

So will be the plague rat brigade that are the reason we now need to stay home longer. Thanks, doodz. Hope YUR FREEDUMS to get haircuts were worth it.


A lot of Farkers have sworn that they aren't going anywhere until there is a vaccine.
 
2020-06-24 12:46:10 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.

Fark "this is fine" brigade has already arrived and begun digging fortifications, I see.


If you are the one afraid, you stay home. Typical Libby. I am afraid so everyone has to stay home.
 
2020-06-24 12:46:12 PM  

Krazikarl: Martian_Astronomer: Some states are partially re-opening because they got their shiat under control early, mandated restrictions, and people are (largely) being smart, and they haven't seen any spikes. I have no problem with this.

Exactly.

I'm in Illinois.  We locked down with the earliest wave of lockdowns even though we weren't one of the earliest hit states.  We've had pretty strong social distancing mandates and have had facemasks required in public indoor spaces since May 1, which is waaaay earlier than most states.

As a result, our numbers are excellent.  In my part of the state, we have positive test rates well less than 1% and deaths are few and far between.  We're reopening this Friday, and it makes total sense given our numbers.  And the reopening is properly cautious - facemasks are still required indoors where reasonable (i.e. pretty much every place but restaurants), everything has to be at low capacity, things like menus have to be sanitized between every use, etc.

People really can't grasp that different things are happening in different parts of the country.  Many states did very little with coronavirus, and are seeing big problems now.  But many states have taken it seriously and should be (slowly) reopening now because their numbers are good and they have a reasonable plan in place.

But I see so many people on social media whining about sure doom in Illinois because Florida is a shiatshow.  Those arguments are always silly.  Different places in the US have had very different policies and are therefore experiencing different results.  You can't apply uniform thinking to that huge diversity.


No one had a corona problem before they had a corona problem.
 
2020-06-24 12:46:29 PM  

bfh0417: Prank Call of Cthulhu: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.

So will be the plague rat brigade that are the reason we now need to stay home longer. Thanks, doodz. Hope YUR FREEDUMS to get haircuts were worth it.

A lot of Farkers have sworn that they aren't going anywhere until there is a vaccine.


Nope.
 
2020-06-24 12:46:35 PM  
The gym reopened but I have yet to feel comfortable going back, even if I miss the bench press.

/Will have to settle for a resistance band press tonight.
 
2020-06-24 12:47:12 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.


Or possibly the 'Fark stay at home forever brigade' will be rationalised into a 'Stay at home until the risk of you infecting and possibly killing someone else through your own selfish ignorance brigade?'

But sensationalism is Fark's forte I suppose.
 
2020-06-24 12:47:51 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: So will be the plague rat brigade that are the reason we now need to stay home longer. Thanks, doodz. Hope YUR FREEDUMS to get haircuts were worth it.


I think that posts like this are extremely harmful.  They're probably one of the biggest causes of many of the problems that we currently have with trying to get people to wear masks.

Yes, many people should have taken social distancing more seriously.  But social distancing has real downsides, including mental health concerns and economic concerns.  I agree that the physical health concerns over the last few months should trump the mental/economic health concerns, but its stupid to dismiss everything as "DURRRR , HAIRCUTS"

Basically, if you want somebody to do something, you have to show them that you're actually taking their thoughts and concerns into account.  If you just dismiss everything they say with "DURRRR", then of course they're going to tune you out pretty quickly.

It takes two sides to polarize into a mess, and the people who go out of their way to trivialize real concerns are always a problem, whether they're trivializing the pandemic itself ("its just the flu") or the repercussions of social distancing ("I can trivialize your mental well being as the need for a haircut").

Bottom line: being an ass just hurts your own viewpoint.
 
2020-06-24 12:48:58 PM  
Why would it even matter if moar testing = moar cases?

The shiat destroys lungs and blood vessels, permanently. You might never recover from even a 'mild' case because the damage it does can be permanent.

Discovering that more people have it than you thought should scare the shiat out of you.
 
2020-06-24 12:49:42 PM  

Arleth01: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.

Or possibly the 'Fark stay at home forever brigade' will be rationalised into a 'Stay at home until the risk of you infecting and possibly killing someone else through your own selfish ignorance brigade?'

But sensationalism is Fark's forte I suppose.


They're just grasping at straws because they'll never get their ethnostate at this point. "Trigger the libs" is their only platform now, so expect them to try to live up to it.
 
2020-06-24 12:49:54 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: i_dig_chicks: Fark stay at home forever brigade will be out in full force in this thread.

Some states are partially re-opening because they got their shiat under control early, mandated restrictions, and people are (largely) being smart, and they haven't seen any spikes. I have no problem with this.

Places like Texas and Arizona apparently decided to Leroy Jenkins their re-openings and hope the virus would go away by magic, and now not only are a lot of people dying, but given that viruses don't respect state lines they're ruining it for everyone else.

(8/10, nice implicit false dichotomy)


Actually, the hospitals still have plenty of capacity. There are many, many new cases being detected in younger people, largely in their 20's who aren't at any significant risk from the virus and even if they end up receiving treatment in a hospital, it's far less likely to be "intensive".

If you recall, the whole shutdown was aimed a "flattening the curve" to keep the hospital system from being overwhelmed. So long as that's not happening, a bunch of new cases among the twenty-somethings is nothing to worry about as long as they're staying away form Grandma.  States that are adding jobs back while preserving capacity in the hospitals are doing it right, number of new cases isn't the key metric.
 
2020-06-24 12:50:37 PM  

Krazikarl: Prank Call of Cthulhu: So will be the plague rat brigade that are the reason we now need to stay home longer. Thanks, doodz. Hope YUR FREEDUMS to get haircuts were worth it.

I think that posts like this are extremely harmful.  They're probably one of the biggest causes of many of the problems that we currently have with trying to get people to wear masks.

Yes, many people should have taken social distancing more seriously.  But social distancing has real downsides, including mental health concerns and economic concerns.  I agree that the physical health concerns over the last few months should trump the mental/economic health concerns, but its stupid to dismiss everything as "DURRRR , HAIRCUTS"

Basically, if you want somebody to do something, you have to show them that you're actually taking their thoughts and concerns into account.  If you just dismiss everything they say with "DURRRR", then of course they're going to tune you out pretty quickly.

It takes two sides to polarize into a mess, and the people who go out of their way to trivialize real concerns are always a problem, whether they're trivializing the pandemic itself ("its just the flu") or the repercussions of social distancing ("I can trivialize your mental well being as the need for a haircut").

Bottom line: being an ass just hurts your own viewpoint.


Translation: "Hitler had a good side to ya know."
 
2020-06-24 12:52:15 PM  
 
2020-06-24 12:52:59 PM  
 
2020-06-24 12:53:06 PM  

Krazikarl: It takes two sides to polarize into a mess


Only one side is making this political and polarizing, as per usual. The farking children who only care about themselves are 100% to blame here. And no, being nice to them instead of mocking them doesn't change anything. We've seen that for decades now.

If the only thing keeping a person from behaving responsibly in response to a dangerous pandemic is being mocked for their stupidity in behaving irresponsibly, they were never going to behave responsibly in the first place. It's the drooling masses who refuse to wear a mask and engage in responsible behavior who are to blame for this, and also for the vast majority of our nation's problems. That's what personal responsibility means, not that they ever hold themselves to that standard that they force on others.
 
2020-06-24 12:53:22 PM  

GrinzGrimly: So long as that's not happening, a bunch of new cases among the twenty-somethings is nothing to worry about as long as they're staying away form Grandma.


Good thing Florida doesn't have too many old people.
 
2020-06-24 12:53:25 PM  
 
2020-06-24 12:54:25 PM  

JerryHeisenberg: GrinzGrimly: Actually, the hospitals still have plenty of capacity.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/2​3/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-i​cu-houston/


It's that lying liberal media that's telling you. GrinzGrimly knows the truth in his gut and that's all that matters to him.
 
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