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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1997, the U.S. Air Force reported that absolutely nothing happened, so go home now, there's nothing to see here   (history.com) divider line
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2020-06-24 11:44:50 AM  
the document stated definitively that there was no Pentagon evidence that any kind of life form was found in the Roswell area in connection with the reported UFO sightings, and that the "bodies" recovered were not aliens but dummies used in parachute tests conducted in the region.

Mama doesn't raise no dummy, but the military apparently does.
 
2020-06-24 12:48:58 PM  
It's a sreetlight.
 
2020-06-24 1:02:52 PM  
The history channel is such a joke
 
2020-06-24 1:04:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: the document stated definitively that there was no Pentagon evidence that any kind of life form was found in the Roswell area in connection with the reported UFO sightings, and that the "bodies" recovered were not aliens but dummies used in parachute tests conducted in the region.

Mama doesn't raise no dummy, but the military apparently does.


Yes, it's much more plausible that they recovered dead aliens.
 
2020-06-24 1:05:23 PM  
i have been telling you gang of idiots for years.

///told ya so
 
2020-06-24 1:06:30 PM  
Obviously....
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2020-06-24 1:07:32 PM  
wait
 
2020-06-24 1:09:57 PM  
I'm a big boy, I can take it.  Just tell the truth already
 
2020-06-24 1:11:56 PM  

lolmao500: The history channel is such a joke


remember when TLC was about learning?

Now it's The LittlePeople Channel.
 
2020-06-24 1:11:58 PM  
As cool as it would be to have alien contact. It isn't going to happen in the entire existence of humanity. Possibly eons after the earth no longer is capable of sustained life and any life that it once supported long gone an alien species may find earth.

Facts are the odds of alien life across the entire Galaxy, not to mention universe is nearly guaranteed, the odds of one finding another however is so close to zero it may as well be. 250 billion stars to search is a near insurmountable number.

Plus this is all a simulation anyway.
 
2020-06-24 1:12:30 PM  
If you had civilization-ending evidence of something, evidence that was easily moved, would you keep it in the place where every crackpot in the country suspects that it is?
 
2020-06-24 1:16:47 PM  
I'm smart enough to know a few things:

Generals are not stupid.
This information has kept people busy for decades.
People always look in the wrong place.
 
2020-06-24 1:19:11 PM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project​_​Mogul#Roswell_incident

Consequence of not being able to get decent overhead photography of the largest nation of the time, the USSR.

Project Mogul developed into Project Moby Dick and Project Genetrix, and we also developed the U-2 spy plane in order to get decent photographs because the balloon-based programs simply couldn't consistently supply images from the heart of the Soviet Union.

All of which was made largely unnecessary once the Corona satellites started working in the early 1960's.

In the mean time, the Air Force had to come up with cover stories that were plausible, like Alien flying saucers crash-landing in the desert, swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus, Edgar ran off with an old girlfriend, that sort of thing.
 
2020-06-24 1:22:39 PM  

edmo: I'm smart enough to know a few things:

Generals are not stupid.
This information has kept people busy for decades.
People always look in the wrong place.


Well, duh.

It was an attempt to distract from a top secret aerial surveillance program, designed to provide coverage of the USSR during the hot air-war portion of the Cold War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-​a​ir_combat_losses_between_the_Soviet_Un​ion_and_the_United_States#Cold_War
 
2020-06-24 1:22:56 PM  
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2020-06-24 1:24:09 PM  
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2020-06-24 1:25:25 PM  
Weird how in an age almost when everyone has a camera in their pocket, you don't see any new pictures of UFOs, just blurry junk from the '50s and '60s.
 
2020-06-24 1:26:01 PM  
June... July....what's the difference
 
2020-06-24 1:28:27 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: [media.makeameme.org image 800x450]

"Please remain calm."
Damn, I miss that show.
 
2020-06-24 1:32:11 PM  

yakmans_dad: If you had civilization-ending evidence of something, evidence that was easily moved, would you keep it in the place where every crackpot in the country suspects that it is?


Why would contact with aliens necessarily be "civilization ending"?

Setting aside the fact that physical visitation is simply never going to happen because interstellar distances are so vast, why would a scenario like Independence Day or War of the Worlds (minus the happy endings) be more likely than E.T. or Close Encounters?

Even looking back to our own history, colonization rarely results in *LESS* civilization.  Hunter-gatherer societies generally get dragged into the "civilized world" whether they like it or not, and pre-technological civilizations end up benefiting in the long run.  You can argue that it comes often at a great cost in lives, but that's not *ALWAYS* true, and in any event, I don't think anyone whose ancestors from 300 years ago were hunter-gatherers would like to trade places with them.

Certainly I wouldn't, and I'm interested in how they lived.

So yeah, I can see upheaval.   I can see a lot of death, possibly.   But the end of civilization?  Not bloody likely.
 
2020-06-24 1:34:15 PM  

natazha: Weird how in an age almost when everyone has a camera in their pocket, you don't see any new pictures of UFOs, just blurry junk from the '50s and '60s.


There's an XKCD for that:

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2020-06-24 1:36:10 PM  

Salmon: lolmao500: The history channel is such a joke

remember when TLC was about learning?

Now it's The LittlePeople Channel.


Yeah, well it went downhill fast after Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes died.
 
2020-06-24 1:38:48 PM  

FleshFlapps: Plus this is all a simulation anyway.


As in the Matrix, or the Kobayashi Maru?
 
2020-06-24 1:40:07 PM  

edmo: I'm smart enough to know a few things:

Generals are not stupid.
This information has kept people busy for decades.
People always look in the wrong place.



Minor correction: People always look in the last place.
 
2020-06-24 1:43:27 PM  

dittybopper: FleshFlapps: Plus this is all a simulation anyway.

As in the Matrix, or the Kobayashi Maru?


More like the Sims.
 
2020-06-24 1:45:24 PM  
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2020-06-24 1:49:19 PM  
One of the most widely known traits of the supposed "aliens" found at Roswell is that they are small, child sized creatures.  So of course the Air Force trotted out six foot plus tall crash dummies as "proof" there were no aliens.
 
2020-06-24 1:57:57 PM  
1997...nothing did happen...now in 1947...different story.
 
2020-06-24 1:59:18 PM  

FleshFlapps: As cool as it would be to have alien contact. It isn't going to happen in the entire existence of humanity. Possibly eons after the earth no longer is capable of sustained life and any life that it once supported long gone an alien species may find earth.

Facts are the odds of alien life across the entire Galaxy, not to mention universe is nearly guaranteed, the odds of one finding another however is so close to zero it may as well be. 250 billion stars to search is a near insurmountable number.

Plus this is all a simulation anyway.


IDK, humanity will probably meet up with aliens of some form or another in the future.  Give it another 500 years or so and spaceships will probably be more or less self sustaining space stations capable of moving around.  Pack one of those with a bunch or religious nut jobs or some other sort of cult and they'll probably shoot for Alpha Centauri

... where there distant descendants will probably be all like "fark this shiat, let's just stay here and use the local resources" fast forward another thousand years and their descendants will have enough lunatics to fill another spaceship headed off to another solar system, or two etc...

I say probably cause it all depends on what happens in the next few centuries.  If civilization collapses and we go back to the stone age... well, getting out of that ain't going to be easy next time, we've already mined a bunch of the readily available resources.  If we build up an actual presence in our solar system... it's inevitable that we'll eventually send a bunch of loonies off to distant stars.
 
2020-06-24 2:00:43 PM  

Great_Milenko: One of the most widely known traits of the supposed "aliens" found at Roswell is that they are small, child sized creatures.  So of course the Air Force trotted out six foot plus tall crash dummies as "proof" there were no aliens.


And the fact that those aliens only seem to be interested in anally probing inebriated rednecks is just icing on the cake.
 
2020-06-24 2:01:34 PM  

Salmon: lolmao500: The history channel is such a joke

remember when TLC was about learning?

Now it's The LittlePeople Channel.


I remember pre-Crisis TLC having lots of UFO docs.
 
2020-06-24 2:07:51 PM  
In completely unrelated news,

The Phoenix Lights were a series of widely sighted unidentified flying objects or UFOs observed in the skies over the U.S. states of Arizona, Nevada, and the Mexican state of Sonora on March 13, 1997.
 
2020-06-24 2:10:31 PM  

Mztlplx: It's a sreetlight.


Kudos!!!  Now by a show of hands, how many of us had the exact same thought?
 
2020-06-24 2:17:03 PM  

electricjebus: FleshFlapps: As cool as it would be to have alien contact. It isn't going to happen in the entire existence of humanity. Possibly eons after the earth no longer is capable of sustained life and any life that it once supported long gone an alien species may find earth.

Facts are the odds of alien life across the entire Galaxy, not to mention universe is nearly guaranteed, the odds of one finding another however is so close to zero it may as well be. 250 billion stars to search is a near insurmountable number.

Plus this is all a simulation anyway.

IDK, humanity will probably meet up with aliens of some form or another in the future.  Give it another 500 years or so and spaceships will probably be more or less self sustaining space stations capable of moving around.  Pack one of those with a bunch or religious nut jobs or some other sort of cult and they'll probably shoot for Alpha Centauri

... where there distant descendants will probably be all like "fark this shiat, let's just stay here and use the local resources" fast forward another thousand years and their descendants will have enough lunatics to fill another spaceship headed off to another solar system, or two etc...

I say probably cause it all depends on what happens in the next few centuries.  If civilization collapses and we go back to the stone age... well, getting out of that ain't going to be easy next time, we've already mined a bunch of the readily available resources.  If we build up an actual presence in our solar system... it's inevitable that we'll eventually send a bunch of loonies off to distant stars.


It's not impossible, just improbable. The distances and numbers of solar systems we would have to visit would consume countless generations of humans, more than a space ship of any size could support long term. Even at the speed of light many of these systems are further out than a single lifetime.

If a civilization does find us, the odds of us ever being wise to it are also very slim. They will have a grasp of physics and science that we can't even fathom at this point in time. They would likely view us as do not disturb ignorant animals much like we do nature.
 
2020-06-24 2:51:27 PM  

FleshFlapps: electricjebus: FleshFlapps: As cool as it would be to have alien contact. It isn't going to happen in the entire existence of humanity. Possibly eons after the earth no longer is capable of sustained life and any life that it once supported long gone an alien species may find earth.

Facts are the odds of alien life across the entire Galaxy, not to mention universe is nearly guaranteed, the odds of one finding another however is so close to zero it may as well be. 250 billion stars to search is a near insurmountable number.

Plus this is all a simulation anyway.

IDK, humanity will probably meet up with aliens of some form or another in the future.  Give it another 500 years or so and spaceships will probably be more or less self sustaining space stations capable of moving around.  Pack one of those with a bunch or religious nut jobs or some other sort of cult and they'll probably shoot for Alpha Centauri

... where there distant descendants will probably be all like "fark this shiat, let's just stay here and use the local resources" fast forward another thousand years and their descendants will have enough lunatics to fill another spaceship headed off to another solar system, or two etc...

I say probably cause it all depends on what happens in the next few centuries.  If civilization collapses and we go back to the stone age... well, getting out of that ain't going to be easy next time, we've already mined a bunch of the readily available resources.  If we build up an actual presence in our solar system... it's inevitable that we'll eventually send a bunch of loonies off to distant stars.

It's not impossible, just improbable. The distances and numbers of solar systems we would have to visit would consume countless generations of humans, more than a space ship of any size could support long term. Even at the speed of light many of these systems are further out than a single lifetime.

If a civilization does find us, the odds of us ever being wise to it are also very slim. They will have a grasp of physics and science that we can't even fathom at this point in time. They would likely view us as do not disturb ignorant animals much like we do nature.


They may likely have lifespans much longer than ours.  But what my mind keeps coming back to is metallurgy.   We define our civilizations by its impact, and this impact has always been messy, both between civilizations and to our planet itself. If an alien species is capable of making craft able to traverse space, and are using metal alloys to do it (as reports of recovered material claim), they may have a similar ugly and dangerous streak as us.
 
2020-06-24 2:52:29 PM  

Diagonal: edmo: I'm smart enough to know a few things:

Generals are not stupid.
This information has kept people busy for decades.
People always look in the wrong place.


Minor correction: People always look in the last place.


I would hope they would stop looking once they found what they were looking for.
 
2020-06-24 2:57:51 PM  
study it out
 
2020-06-24 3:55:18 PM  

skinude1: Diagonal: edmo: I'm smart enough to know a few things:

Generals are not stupid.
This information has kept people busy for decades.
People always look in the wrong place.


Minor correction: People always look in the last place.

I would hope they would stop looking once they found what they were looking for.



You'd think, but then there are those who will not accept that they have actually found what they were looking for.
 
2020-06-24 4:29:05 PM  

FleshFlapps: They will have a grasp of physics and science that we can't even fathom at this point in time.


I doubt that.

We've got a pretty good grasp on how things work.  Not a perfect grasp by any means, but a darn good one, and we're pushing on that knowledge space all the time.  What we will know 200 years from now won't be like comparing what we knew in 1820 to what we know today.

Which is not to say that other intelligences out there might not be more more advanced technologically.  Though I very much doubt they will ever be able to visit because of the fundamental limits on what can be done through technology.

Then again, maybe they won't have a much greater grasp of technology:

https://eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledo​v​e_RoadNotTaken.pdf
 
2020-06-24 5:04:23 PM  

some_beer_drinker: study it out


You do of course realize that "study it out" is an anagram of "DUTY TO SUIT", right?
 
2020-06-24 5:13:33 PM  
Aliens are real. The Air Force doesn't exist.
 
2020-06-24 6:39:33 PM  

tapwater98: Aliens are real. The Air Force doesn't exist.


I'm sorry.  I simply can not allow anyone to insult the US Military or Air Force like that.  That's completely unacceptable.
 
2020-06-24 7:14:05 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: [media.makeameme.org image 800x450]


Came into the thread just for that - happy now
 
2020-06-24 7:34:36 PM  

skinude1: Obviously....
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Meanwhile, on Quantzyx VII:

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2020-06-24 8:00:27 PM  

FleshFlapps: As cool as it would be to have alien contact. It isn't going to happen in the entire existence of humanity. Possibly eons after the earth no longer is capable of sustained life and any life that it once supported long gone an alien species may find earth.

Facts are the odds of alien life across the entire Galaxy, not to mention universe is nearly guaranteed, the odds of one finding another however is so close to zero it may as well be. 250 billion stars to search is a near insurmountable number.

Plus this is all a simulation anyway.


Yes.  It is a simulation within simulations.  When each simulation advances to the point of creating a reality indistinguishable from the current simulation, it adds to the layers of simulations.  We may be in an infinite amount of layered simulations.  You and everyone else is just a prisoner within these simulation. You will never escape because you and everyone do not exist.  We are all 0's and 1's in the program.
 
2020-06-24 8:56:05 PM  
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2020-06-24 9:21:20 PM  
I was married in Roswell in August 1997 in the Alumni Chapel on The Old Post (92JC). The Chaves County clerk was a little rude when we were registering for our license until I explained that I was an Alum and not having the ceremony in Roswell for the 50th anniversary.

We did have the Toy Story Aliens for our cake topper and our friends decorated the car with "Just Abducted".

/900148
//Kilo Kilo Kilo
///Rest
 
2020-06-25 8:56:04 AM  

dittybopper: tapwater98: Aliens are real. The Air Force doesn't exist.

I'm sorry.  I simply can not allow anyone to insult the US Military or Air Force like that.  That's completely unacceptable.


Ach. The things I can't allow. And yet they're all still there. Grinnin' like beavers. Squawking and flapping and as oily as crows.

-- from yakman bloom's soliloquy
 
2020-06-25 11:18:46 AM  

FleshFlapps: It's not impossible, just improbable. The distances and numbers of solar systems we would have to visit would consume countless generations of humans, more than a space ship of any size could support long term. Even at the speed of light many of these systems are further out than a single lifetime.

If a civilization does find us, the odds of us ever being wise to it are also very slim. They will have a grasp of physics and science that we can't even fathom at this point in time. They would likely view us as do not disturb ignorant animals much like we do nature.


I'm not saying one ship hits enough solar systems to eventually run into alien life, and I said "of some form or another" because I wasn't specifying intelligent life.

The point is exponential growth.  It's hard to think of it that way because the period might end up being 2,000 years.  Let's say in a thousand years we send a grandfather ship to Alpha Centauri, then in 1500 hundred years we send a ship to Serius A.

Those ships, which again, would be more like massive space stations with engines on them than what we currently think of in a spaceship, would then begin harvesting resources and building more stations and ships *probably no habitable planets* because that's what we do.

After a thousand years of that both of those systems would probably have people that want to leave and head off towards another untapped system.  Say they pick two different stars each and the Sol System has sent ships to 3 other stars at that point.

Interstellar radio communication at that range is very possible with current technology so there probably wouldn't but much overlap of ships from different systems heading off to the same system.

It's 4 billion years until the Milky Way collides with Andromeda.  Even with a period of 5,000 years between arriving in a new system and sending 2 ships out to another system, that's 2 to the 800,000th power... We'll be all over the galaxy at that point... and in the remnants of both galaxies in the aftermath.

Again, if we don't fark everything up in the next few centuries.  Once human life is viable in space without support from humans on Earth it becomes inevitable.  The question is whether or not we'd even be recognizable as humans at that point.
 
2020-06-25 12:33:12 PM  

electricjebus: FleshFlapps: It's not impossible, just improbable. The distances and numbers of solar systems we would have to visit would consume countless generations of humans, more than a space ship of any size could support long term. Even at the speed of light many of these systems are further out than a single lifetime.

If a civilization does find us, the odds of us ever being wise to it are also very slim. They will have a grasp of physics and science that we can't even fathom at this point in time. They would likely view us as do not disturb ignorant animals much like we do nature.

I'm not saying one ship hits enough solar systems to eventually run into alien life, and I said "of some form or another" because I wasn't specifying intelligent life.

The point is exponential growth.  It's hard to think of it that way because the period might end up being 2,000 years.  Let's say in a thousand years we send a grandfather ship to Alpha Centauri, then in 1500 hundred years we send a ship to Serius A.

Those ships, which again, would be more like massive space stations with engines on them than what we currently think of in a spaceship, would then begin harvesting resources and building more stations and ships *probably no habitable planets* because that's what we do.

After a thousand years of that both of those systems would probably have people that want to leave and head off towards another untapped system.  Say they pick two different stars each and the Sol System has sent ships to 3 other stars at that point.

Interstellar radio communication at that range is very possible with current technology so there probably wouldn't but much overlap of ships from different systems heading off to the same system.

It's 4 billion years until the Milky Way collides with Andromeda.  Even with a period of 5,000 years between arriving in a new system and sending 2 ships out to another system, that's 2 to the 800,000th power... We'll be all over the galaxy at that point... and in the remna ...


The internal clock on hominid speciation is around 70,000 years. IIRC.  Meanwhile, we have found reasons to kill anything different from us. I think we've killed someone over wearing a different sports jersey.  Basically, I think we're a bad bet for interstellar exploration.
 
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