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(Engadget)   Olympus has fallen   (engadget.com) divider line
    More: Sad, Digital single-lens reflex camera, camera business, Camera, much larger business, might affect owners of Olympus, Olympus, severe digital camera market, Micro Four Thirds  
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1677 clicks; posted to Business » on 24 Jun 2020 at 12:46 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-06-24 9:42:20 AM  
Makes sense, there isn't a huge market for digital cameras given that most demand for them is satisfied by people's phones.
 
2020-06-24 12:04:47 PM  
My 35 YO OM1 cries quietly in its camera bag
 
2020-06-24 12:50:03 PM  
Destroyed by Canon fire?
 
2020-06-24 12:59:08 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Makes sense, there isn't a huge market for digital cameras given that most demand for them is satisfied by people's phones.


As the cameras in phones have improved, the market for actual cameras has become microscopically small compared to what it was.

I still prefer a real camera for some tasks (usually ones requiring telephoto or fast autofocus), but there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.
 
2020-06-24 1:15:20 PM  
My wife loves the Olympus cameras and has had them for years. They were a good value for the money or at least that's what she told me when she bought them. I don't know the first thing about cameras so I just take her word for it.
 
2020-06-24 1:43:21 PM  

akula: there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.


My Sony RX10 IV and I respectfully disagree.  Speed, flexibility, and convenience matter, especially when shooting small flying objects at ranges from two feet to infinity.
 
2020-06-24 1:46:29 PM  
Called this two years ago - they were bleeding money at the time, in a shrinking camera market, and they had no real moat of any kind.

I have a feeling they won't be the only camera manufacturer to throw in the towel this year, either.
 
2020-06-24 1:50:22 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Makes sense, there isn't a huge market for digital cameras given that most demand for them is satisfied by people's phones.


There is taking pictures and there is photography. They are not the same. Sure, I use my phone for snapshots, but no phone camera will ever compare to what I can do with my Sony full-frame mirrorless camera and G Master lenses.
 
2020-06-24 1:59:11 PM  
akula:

I still prefer a real camera for some tasks (usually ones requiring telephoto or fast autofocus), but there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.

I beg your pardon, but mirrorless has won. It's over. Modern EVFs are vastly superior to OVFs, the native mirrorless lenses are just as good (though just as expensive), continuous shooting is better, and the hybrid story (photo and video) is much, much better on mirrorless. Reading the image directly off the sensor also allows for some more computational photography tricks, like the animal detection autofocus feature that Sony and others have.

In 2020 the only reasons to get a DSLR over a mirrorless is if you've got a bunch of glass you'd rather not sell or adapt, or if you really mind carrying an extra battery around.
 
2020-06-24 2:14:14 PM  

havana_joe: AdmirableSnackbar: Makes sense, there isn't a huge market for digital cameras given that most demand for them is satisfied by people's phones.

There is taking pictures and there is photography. They are not the same. Sure, I use my phone for snapshots, but no phone camera will ever compare to what I can do with my Sony full-frame mirrorless camera and G Master lenses.


Yes, and the demand for photography equipment is far lower now than it was 15 years ago because people don't need photography equipment anymore to take the kinds of photos they want. There are people who are interested in photography but they aren't in numbers sufficient to prop up the commercial photography industry as it was, again, even 15 years ago.
 
2020-06-24 2:29:20 PM  
They'll probably go the route of Polaroid and Kodak, with some private venture company slapping the brand name on any old POS knockoff digital camera gear made by an Alibaba vendor and sell them at Big Lots and the 4 remaining K-Mart stores.
 
2020-06-24 2:35:16 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: havana_joe: AdmirableSnackbar: Makes sense, there isn't a huge market for digital cameras given that most demand for them is satisfied by people's phones.

There is taking pictures and there is photography. They are not the same. Sure, I use my phone for snapshots, but no phone camera will ever compare to what I can do with my Sony full-frame mirrorless camera and G Master lenses.

Yes, and the demand for photography equipment is far lower now than it was 15 years ago because people don't need photography equipment anymore to take the kinds of photos they want. There are people who are interested in photography but they aren't in numbers sufficient to prop up the commercial photography industry as it was, again, even 15 years ago.


Photography has ALWAYS been a niche business. Ok, sure, more people had cheap cameras years ago and that helped, but I'm talking pro equipment. Now phones have replaced the cheap cameras, but those who take photography seriously will still support the industry. But there will be consolidation. Samsung should have stuck with the NX line, the NX1 was amazing and ahead of it's time. Olympus is good, but I've personally never liked the M43 format. APS-C in small bodies seems to be the sweet spot, with full-frame as the step-up and medium format hopefully being more widespread as prices decline in the future. Just my opinions, of course.
 
2020-06-24 2:40:54 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: akula: there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.

My Sony RX10 IV and I respectfully disagree.  Speed, flexibility, and convenience matter, especially when shooting small flying objects at ranges from two feet to infinity.


You cut off the first part of that statement. That's a situation where fast autofocus and telephoto capability matters. And I agree with you- phones, as yet, aren't good at such shots. Neither were the cheaper point and shoots.

neaorin: I beg your pardon, but mirrorless has won.


Honestly, I tend to call the mirrorless ones DSLRs. They may not strictly count as SLRs, but I'm not that pedantic about it. Heck, I swapped my DSLR for a mirrorless a few years ago (went to a Panasonic GX85). Haven't regretted it, either.
 
2020-06-24 2:42:10 PM  

baka-san: My 35 YO OM1 cries quietly in its camera bag


My OM-2n as well. All that good glass will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
 
2020-06-24 5:16:10 PM  
Just bought the new Oly E-M1 III and a 12-100mm pro lens for a summer trip that was then cancelled.  This news is a bummer.  I'm not sure if I should start buying more glass while I can or start planning an escape to another system.
 
2020-06-24 7:26:05 PM  

akula: AdmirableSnackbar: Makes sense, there isn't a huge market for digital cameras given that most demand for them is satisfied by people's phones.

As the cameras in phones have improved, the market for actual cameras has become microscopically small compared to what it was.

I still prefer a real camera for some tasks (usually ones requiring telephoto or fast autofocus), but there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.


My wingnut father techno-regresses. Just today he has:
1) Forgotten that you can drag windows around on your screen
2) Failed to successfully operate his point-n-shoot Sony digital camera (a phone camera is beyond him)
3) Called to yell at me because I accidentally left his car stereo on bluetooth and it took him 20 minutes to figure out how to push  the giant "FM" button on the dashboard to get it back

His phone is a flip phone. We tried to get him to use a touchscreen phone once. That was a complete disaster.

From what I understand, he has actually stopped using the contacts list on the phone and now dials numbers from memory.
 
2020-06-24 9:01:58 PM  

neaorin: akula:

I still prefer a real camera for some tasks (usually ones requiring telephoto or fast autofocus), but there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.

I beg your pardon, but mirrorless has won. It's over. Modern EVFs are vastly superior to OVFs, the native mirrorless lenses are just as good (though just as expensive), continuous shooting is better, and the hybrid story (photo and video) is much, much better on mirrorless. Reading the image directly off the sensor also allows for some more computational photography tricks, like the animal detection autofocus feature that Sony and others have.

In 2020 the only reasons to get a DSLR over a mirrorless is if you've got a bunch of glass you'd rather not sell or adapt, or if you really mind carrying an extra battery around.


When it comes to taking still pictures, an OVF is exactly what the lens sees at the speed it sees it.
An EVF can only be as good.
It can never be better.
When it comes to video EVF is useless since the mirror is not used for video.
 
2020-06-24 9:03:24 PM  

Straight Outta Hate: neaorin: akula:

I still prefer a real camera for some tasks (usually ones requiring telephoto or fast autofocus), but there's really zero reason to own a camera that's not a DSLR nowadays.

I beg your pardon, but mirrorless has won. It's over. Modern EVFs are vastly superior to OVFs, the native mirrorless lenses are just as good (though just as expensive), continuous shooting is better, and the hybrid story (photo and video) is much, much better on mirrorless. Reading the image directly off the sensor also allows for some more computational photography tricks, like the animal detection autofocus feature that Sony and others have.

In 2020 the only reasons to get a DSLR over a mirrorless is if you've got a bunch of glass you'd rather not sell or adapt, or if you really mind carrying an extra battery around.

When it comes to taking still pictures, an OVF is exactly what the lens sees at the speed it sees it.
An EVF can only be as good.
It can never be better.
When it comes to video EVF is useless since the mirror is not used for video.


Oops.  I meant OVF is useless for video.
 
2020-06-25 2:09:40 AM  
Straight Outta Hate:

When it comes to taking still pictures, an OVF is exactly what the lens sees at the speed it sees it.

Except I don't care about what the lens sees. I care about the image that ends up on the sensor. EVFs show  the image that ends up on the sensor, but taking into account all the camera settings like exposure, white balance etc.
Then you get the extra stuff you can just overlay onto an EVF, like a real time histogram - again, taking into account things like exposure compensation. Or focus peaking. Or zebra lines. Or...

An EVF can only be as good.
It can never be better.


Of course it can. Just use any mirrorless camera that's been made in the last two or three years.
 
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