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2020-06-23 8:39:16 AM  
"So let me get this right. Republicans were the party of Lincoln."

"Yes."

"And Lincoln frees the slaves while democrats opposed him."

"YES"

"And it was racist democrats that put up all these statues to the confederacy."

"YES YOU ARE FINALLY GETTING IT"

"So why are republicans mad democrats are taking down statues put up by democrats?"

.....
 
2020-06-23 9:13:51 AM  
Does anybody actually admire a statue? Birds like them. And fans watching their local team's big victory parade. And you can put a funny hat on it for Halloween.

Next time someone complains about a statue coming down, ask them if they seen it. Ask for directions on where to find it.
 
2020-06-23 12:39:01 PM  

edmo: Does anybody actually admire a statue?


From Ireland's capital, exhibit A:

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2020-06-23 7:27:54 PM  

Elegy: "So let me get this right. Republicans were the party of Lincoln."

"Yes."

"And Lincoln frees the slaves while democrats opposed him."

"YES"

"And it was racist democrats that put up all these statues to the confederacy."

"YES YOU ARE FINALLY GETTING IT"

"So why are republicans mad democrats are taking down statues put up by democrats?"

.....


I am so stealing that
 
2020-06-23 8:25:12 PM  

abb3w: edmo: Does anybody actually admire a statue?

From Ireland's capital, exhibit A:

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Nice patina.
 
2020-06-23 8:25:25 PM  

abb3w: edmo: Does anybody actually admire a statue?

From Ireland's capital, exhibit A:

[Fark user image 850x796]


Go post that on the boobies thread, please; it needs help.
 
2020-06-23 8:25:46 PM  

abb3w: edmo: Does anybody actually admire a statue?

From Ireland's capital, exhibit A:

[Fark user image 850x796]


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2020-06-23 8:29:37 PM  
Nice simple solution. I'm all for it.
 
2020-06-23 8:38:51 PM  
They should never have been erected in the first place.
 
2020-06-23 8:55:22 PM  
What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.
 
2020-06-23 9:00:20 PM  
If the whiny snowflakes insist on having one participation trophy, they can keep this.
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2020-06-23 9:06:45 PM  

bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.


This point feels somewhat lazy to me. So let me ask this; what purpose does having a monument to the Confederacy, particularly in the North, actually serve?

Most major battle sites from the Civil War are themselves monuments to what occurred. It's not like the Civl War will be removed from the school curriculum any time soon.

Also, the United States has managed not to use any atomic weapons in the past 80 years.  How have we managed that? Not because we have monuments reminding us of this horrible thing our country did.
 
2020-06-23 9:08:12 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: If the whiny snowflakes insist on having one participation trophy, they can keep this.
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What the hell is that nightmare fuel?
 
2020-06-23 9:27:05 PM  

bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.


You do know there are museums and parks set up at more than a dozen Civil War battlefields, right?
 
2020-06-23 9:27:07 PM  

Rhymes With Silver: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: If the whiny snowflakes insist on having one participation trophy, they can keep this.
[images.gawker.com image 636x487]

What the hell is that nightmare fuel?


Link to wiki on it.
 
2020-06-23 9:33:28 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Rhymes With Silver: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: If the whiny snowflakes insist on having one participation trophy, they can keep this.
[images.gawker.com image 636x487]

What the hell is that nightmare fuel?

Link to wiki on it.


Ah Nathan Bedford Forrest....actual nightmare fuel.
 
2020-06-23 9:58:19 PM  

bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.


If these statues exist to remind us of the mistakes of the past, they are clearly not working. Because I keep having to have conversations with people about how Robert E. Lee was a brutal slave owner, how Christopher Columbus was so monstrous that even 16th century Spain thought he was criminally mistreating the Indians, and how the entire reason for the Confederacy's existence was to protect and promote the expansion of slavery.

And it's understandable why they don't work. There's no mention of how Lee whipped his runaway slaves and poured brine on their backs on his statues. There's no "Attempted Genocide" note on any of the bronze Columbuses. They're not designed to be educational in any way. They're designed to glorify and honor the person. And since a large section of our population was never included in the conversation about whether we should honor these people, we should probably fix that and have that conversation and listen to their very valid concerns.
 
2020-06-23 10:06:56 PM  
Participation trophies are whined about by oblivious souls who fail to understand that the desire for real trophies is not "alpha" but a sign of insecurity.

If you truly have confidence and believe in yourself, you don't feel the *need* to prove yourself.
 
2020-06-23 10:14:27 PM  

bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.


Lol yes, the only way to learn about bad things in the past is through STATUES that glorify the perpetrators of the acts.

As a species we deserve C-19, because we let "thoughts" like this occur. There aren't any whales that give equal time to the idiot whale who wants to maintain a statue of a whaling ship just in case they forget what happened.
 
2020-06-23 10:21:59 PM  

bigfire: Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


Seriously???

Look, neo-Nazis aren't putting up statues and plaques glorifying their role at Aushwitz to maintain their racial superiority over local Jewish populations.  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CONFEDERATE STATUES WERE CONSTRUCTED TO ACCOMPLISH!!!
 
2020-06-23 11:09:38 PM  

Rhymes With Silver: bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.

This point feels somewhat lazy to me. So let me ask this; what purpose does having a monument to the Confederacy, particularly in the North, actually serve?

Most major battle sites from the Civil War are themselves monuments to what occurred. It's not like the Civl War will be removed from the school curriculum any time soon.

Also, the United States has managed not to use any atomic weapons in the past 80 years.  How have we managed that? Not because we have monuments reminding us of this horrible thing our country did.


There are monuments to Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

I recommend you visit them. It is a moving experience.


Place the monuments near where they are important.  Selma, Freedom Riders, Black Wall Street, Memphis, and so on. Cities can do the same if they had areas where slaves were sold or hung. Plantations should be museums, not wedding venues.
 
2020-06-23 11:12:01 PM  
I'm FOR tearing them down and replacing them.
 
2020-06-23 11:13:35 PM  

UNC_Samurai: bigfire: Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.

Seriously???

Look, neo-Nazis aren't putting up statues and plaques glorifying their role at Aushwitz to maintain their racial superiority over local Jewish populations.  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CONFEDERATE STATUES WERE CONSTRUCTED TO ACCOMPLISH!!!


You're implying I want to keep these false idols and antiheros in place. Tear them all down.
 
2020-06-23 11:15:19 PM  

quo vadimus: bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.

Lol yes, the only way to learn about bad things in the past is through STATUES that glorify the perpetrators of the acts.

As a species we deserve C-19, because we let "thoughts" like this occur. There aren't any whales that give equal time to the idiot whale who wants to maintain a statue of a whaling ship just in case they forget what happened.


Hilarious strawman.

Put something up that doesn't glorify the acts of hatred so future generations will know.
 
2020-06-23 11:17:23 PM  

karl2025: bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

If these statues exist to remind us of the mistakes of the past, they are clearly not working. Because I keep having to have conversations with people about how Robert E. Lee was a brutal slave owner, how Christopher Columbus was so monstrous that even 16th century Spain thought he was criminally mistreating the Indians, and how the entire reason for the Confederacy's existence was to protect and promote the expansion of slavery.

And it's understandable why they don't work. There's no mention of how Lee whipped his runaway slaves and poured brine on their backs on his statues. There's no "Attempted Genocide" note on any of the bronze Columbuses. They're not designed to be educational in any way. They're designed to glorify and honor the person. And since a large section of our population was never included in the conversation about whether we should honor these people, we should probably fix that and have that conversation and listen to their very valid concerns.


They don't exist to remind us not to be racist thugs. Thats why the need to be replaced.
 
2020-06-23 11:19:40 PM  

stoli n coke: bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.

You do know there are museums and parks set up at more than a dozen Civil War battlefields, right?


Battlefields are for the war. Monuments are for the individual.
 
2020-06-23 11:26:46 PM  

bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.


Auschwitz stands as reminder of atrocities, but it doesn't have a big bronze of Rudulf Höss looking like a boss, with some nice flowers planted around him. It's totally okay if we forget his name and face while recalling his legacy of misdeeds.

As for Confederate statues, the fact that we still treat black people as second class citizens feels like a good enough reminder of our history.
 
2020-06-23 11:29:43 PM  

bigfire: Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


Honestly, if we preserved a plantation and opened it to the public as a way to commemorate the morally indefensible institution of slavery and the horrors it visited upon enslaved Black people in this country, I'd be so on board with that.

Instead, they're wedding destinations.

Those statues are by and large not left over from the Civil War, so your comparison doesn't really make a lot of sense.
 
2020-06-23 11:30:32 PM  

JesseL: bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.

Auschwitz stands as reminder of atrocities, but it doesn't have a big bronze of Rudulf Höss looking like a boss, with some nice flowers planted around him. It's totally okay if we forget his name and face while recalling his legacy of misdeeds.

As for Confederate statues, the fact that we still treat black people as second class citizens feels like a good enough reminder of our history.


Exactly, except for the fact that now and hopefully three generations from now no race will be second class.
 
2020-06-23 11:34:00 PM  

austerity101: bigfire: Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.

Honestly, if we preserved a plantation and opened it to the public as a way to commemorate the morally indefensible institution of slavery and the horrors it visited upon enslaved Black people in this country, I'd be so on board with that.

Instead, they're wedding destinations.

Those statues are by and large not left over from the Civil War, so your comparison doesn't really make a lot of sense.


Ok. That's my point. Let's put something up there in their place  to remind generations not to make those mistakes.
 
2020-06-23 11:34:18 PM  

bigfire: JesseL: As for Confederate statues, the fact that we still treat black people as second class citizens feels like a good enough reminder of our history.

Exactly, except for the fact that now and hopefully three generations from now no race will be second class.


... wut
 
2020-06-23 11:35:16 PM  

bigfire: austerity101: bigfire: Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.

Honestly, if we preserved a plantation and opened it to the public as a way to commemorate the morally indefensible institution of slavery and the horrors it visited upon enslaved Black people in this country, I'd be so on board with that.

Instead, they're wedding destinations.

Those statues are by and large not left over from the Civil War, so your comparison doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Ok. That's my point. Let's put something up there in their place  to remind generations not to make those mistakes.


Wow, really?  Because "We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.  Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of" definitely reads like you're making the opposite point here.
 
2020-06-23 11:37:34 PM  

bigfire: quo vadimus: bigfire: What do we do to memorialize the past so we can never forget the inhumanity that occurred?  We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.

Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.


What do we leave up as a learning point for the future generations?


Or do we tear it all down and run the chance of our grandchildren's children will follow a demagogue into that well of hatred?

We have a chance to do this right.

Lol yes, the only way to learn about bad things in the past is through STATUES that glorify the perpetrators of the acts.

As a species we deserve C-19, because we let "thoughts" like this occur. There aren't any whales that give equal time to the idiot whale who wants to maintain a statue of a whaling ship just in case they forget what happened.

Hilarious strawman.

Put something up that doesn't glorify the acts of hatred so future generations will know.


Like... a book?

I honestly don't know if I'm answering your comment, because it was honestly too thin to interpret as contextual. Byeeeeee!
 
2020-06-23 11:40:04 PM  

austerity101: bigfire: austerity101: bigfire: Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of.

Honestly, if we preserved a plantation and opened it to the public as a way to commemorate the morally indefensible institution of slavery and the horrors it visited upon enslaved Black people in this country, I'd be so on board with that.

Instead, they're wedding destinations.

Those statues are by and large not left over from the Civil War, so your comparison doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Ok. That's my point. Let's put something up there in their place  to remind generations not to make those mistakes.

Wow, really?  Because "We shouldn't blindly erase the mistakes of the past or we have the potential to commit them again.  Auschwitz still exists for a reason.  To remind us of the cruelty humans are capable of" definitely reads like you're making the opposite point here.


My point is we shouldn't leave a void. Actually finish the act of denouncing the atrocity and win the future by putting memorial honoring the victims up in their place.

If there was a slavery auction yard, I'd argue to keep it like Auschwitz.
 
2020-06-24 3:20:05 AM  
I wonder what the correlation is between people who hate the concept of participation trophies in school and those that demand confederate statues be left where they are.
 
2020-06-24 9:45:39 AM  
In honor of beating a black man to a pulp...

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2020-06-24 7:33:43 PM  
There is no earthly reason any of this nation's public spaces should be defiled by statuary honoring generals, soldiers and politicians who were traitors, who took up arms against their country, who did so to perpetuate slavery, and who - this is an important point - were losers.
 
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