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2020-06-22 2:35:58 PM  
Good.

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fark Cletus, go Bubba.
 
2020-06-22 2:38:32 PM  
In its statement, NASCAR said it "will do everything we can to identify the person(s) responsible and eliminate them from the sportgene pool."

FTFY...
 
2020-06-22 2:44:07 PM  
Good for you, King.
 
2020-06-22 3:27:18 PM  
There is absolutely no place in our sport or our society for racism.

Jesus, King, where the hell have you been living?  Here's the NASCAR I know:

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Unless you, like everyone else around you, think of the Confederate battle flag as a symbol of "Heritage Not Hate"...  Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?
 
2020-06-22 4:09:46 PM  
Will they still wave the Confederate flag with 1 to go?
 
2020-06-22 4:13:13 PM  
I am almost going to feel sorry for NASCAR if there is not video to help identify who put the noose in the garage because, let's be honest, is anyone going to believe NASCAR if they say there's no video?
 
2020-06-22 4:14:20 PM  
https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/127​5​145439248093185

2020, the year f**king NASCAR is doing more for equality than most major sports.
 
2020-06-22 4:15:30 PM  
FreeLawyer: is anyone going to believe NASCAR if they say there's no video?

I said exactly that in the ESPN thread
 
2020-06-22 4:15:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: There is absolutely no place in our sport or our society for racism.

Jesus, King, where the hell have you been living?  Here's the NASCAR I know:

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Unless you, like everyone else around you, think of the Confederate battle flag as a symbol of "Heritage Not Hate"...  Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?


Maybe if he said "there is absolutely no MORE place in our sport or society for racism" you'd be less skeptical?
 
2020-06-22 4:30:07 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?


It's not all racism. NASCAR also suffers from a TON of nepotism. Of course when all the founding families where white and (mostly) racist... the racism and nepotism are intertwined. And I wouldn't necessarily equate a sports ethnic diversity to systematic racism *entirely*. After all, which is more cowardly: putting a noose in the garage of a multi-racial driver, or quietly blackballing a football player for trying to raise social awareness to the plight of disadvantaged black Americans?
 
2020-06-22 4:39:47 PM  
I'll be damned. I thought Tom Petty died a few years ago.
 
2020-06-22 4:47:03 PM  
I won't turn right
Yaaaa baby
I won't turn right
 
2020-06-22 4:59:17 PM  

Elegy: Good.

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fark Cletus, go Bubba.


Total and complete win.
 
2020-06-22 5:09:04 PM  

Uncle Pooky: https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/127​5​145439248093185

2020, the year f**king NASCAR is doing more for equality than most major sports.


Here's the broadcast moment:

https://twitter.com/NASCARONFOX/statu​s​/1275143091922624512

😭
 
2020-06-22 5:15:57 PM  

iamskibibitz: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?

It's not all racism. NASCAR also suffers from a TON of nepotism. Of course when all the founding families where white and (mostly) racist... the racism and nepotism are intertwined. And I wouldn't necessarily equate a sports ethnic diversity to systematic racism *entirely*. After all, which is more cowardly: putting a noose in the garage of a multi-racial driver, or quietly blackballing a football player for trying to raise social awareness to the plight of disadvantaged black Americans?


Racism certainly is there, especially in fans, however the greatest barrier is one of Money. Motor sports, in general, requires significant economic resources to get started and advance through the ranks.  Whether it is NASCAR, F1, Indycar, Drag Racing, Motorcross, Sportscars, MotoGP, unless you have significant cash to pay for the vehicle, safety equipment, parts and hauler, and travel schedule, you aren't going to make it.  That is why nepotism is so prevalent as the equipment and resources is built in for the family members to utilize if they express interest.  Even sim racing has a barrier of entry as the computer systems, controllers, and subscriptions is not an insignificant cost.  This is an even more extreme barrier to entry than you see in basketball, baseball, football, soccer travel teams, leagues and academies.
 
2020-06-22 5:17:07 PM  

Tom-Servo: I'll be damned. I thought Tom Petty died a few years ago.


That guy just won't back down!
 
2020-06-22 5:34:33 PM  

Daedalus27: iamskibibitz: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?

It's not all racism. NASCAR also suffers from a TON of nepotism. Of course when all the founding families where white and (mostly) racist... the racism and nepotism are intertwined. And I wouldn't necessarily equate a sports ethnic diversity to systematic racism *entirely*. After all, which is more cowardly: putting a noose in the garage of a multi-racial driver, or quietly blackballing a football player for trying to raise social awareness to the plight of disadvantaged black Americans?

Racism certainly is there, especially in fans, however the greatest barrier is one of Money. Motor sports, in general, requires significant economic resources to get started and advance through the ranks.  Whether it is NASCAR, F1, Indycar, Drag Racing, Motorcross, Sportscars, MotoGP, unless you have significant cash to pay for the vehicle, safety equipment, parts and hauler, and travel schedule, you aren't going to make it.  That is why nepotism is so prevalent as the equipment and resources is built in for the family members to utilize if they express interest.  Even sim racing has a barrier of entry as the computer systems, controllers, and subscriptions is not an insignificant cost.  This is an even more extreme barrier to entry than you see in basketball, baseball, football, soccer travel teams, leagues and academies.


Sorry, no.  I've known many dirt poor white rednecks in the South who race.  The good ones get sponsorships.  The really good ones get on a racing team, and then they can advance to the big leagues.  Are you telling me no black people are capable of following that path?  Or is it that black drivers know full well the barriers they will face in the sport and aren't up for life-threatening hijinx from their fellow racers on the track or the crews in the pits?  Or is it that no one will give black drivers a damn chance, because of...  well, I don't know what, but bah gawd, it ain't racist.
 
2020-06-22 6:57:02 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: There is absolutely no place in our sport or our society for racism.

Jesus, King, where the hell have you been living?  Here's the NASCAR I know:

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Unless you, like everyone else around you, think of the Confederate battle flag as a symbol of "Heritage Not Hate"...  Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?


You'd (not?) be surprised how many people make precisely that argument though.

I went to South Albany High School in the early 90's. We were the South Albany Rebels. This was not the deep south mind you, this was Oregon, but still you can probably do the math as to what the overall theme of our school and it's sports teams were. Red and Grey colors. A confederate soldier mascot. Hell, our dance team was called the Southern Belles. And it should come as no surprise that we had a massive confederate flag hanging on the wall inside our basketball gym for all the visiting teams to see.

There is a much, much longer story that can be told here. The short version is that we removed the flag in 1991 but basically left everything else unchanged. So it should come as no surprise to say a category 5 shaite show occurred when they finally re-branded the entire school in 2018 to the Redhawks and so many of my former classmates came out of the woodwork in outrage over the whole ordeal because, you guessed it, "heritage" or some version thereof.

People are tribal. For them, this was part of their identity and they associated no negative connotations to it. So changing the school name and mascot was an attack on who they were and who they continue to see themselves as. Having said that, once the band-aid finally got ripped off, I can't recall the last time any of my former classmates has bothered to bring any of it up again.
 
2020-06-22 7:16:00 PM  
Singleballtheory:

If you still give a fark about your high school either you didn't grow up & leave town or you never had immediate family not there.
 
2020-06-22 7:16:31 PM  
AuralArgument:

Grow up or leave town not &
 
2020-06-22 7:42:07 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Daedalus27: iamskibibitz: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?

It's not all racism. NASCAR also suffers from a TON of nepotism. Of course when all the founding families where white and (mostly) racist... the racism and nepotism are intertwined. And I wouldn't necessarily equate a sports ethnic diversity to systematic racism *entirely*. After all, which is more cowardly: putting a noose in the garage of a multi-racial driver, or quietly blackballing a football player for trying to raise social awareness to the plight of disadvantaged black Americans?

Racism certainly is there, especially in fans, however the greatest barrier is one of Money. Motor sports, in general, requires significant economic resources to get started and advance through the ranks.  Whether it is NASCAR, F1, Indycar, Drag Racing, Motorcross, Sportscars, MotoGP, unless you have significant cash to pay for the vehicle, safety equipment, parts and hauler, and travel schedule, you aren't going to make it.  That is why nepotism is so prevalent as the equipment and resources is built in for the family members to utilize if they express interest.  Even sim racing has a barrier of entry as the computer systems, controllers, and subscriptions is not an insignificant cost.  This is an even more extreme barrier to entry than you see in basketball, baseball, football, soccer travel teams, leagues and academies.

Sorry, no.  I've known many dirt poor white rednecks in the South who race.  The good ones get sponsorships.  The really good ones get on a racing team, and then they can advance to the big leagues.  Are you telling me no black people are capable of following that path?  Or is it that black drivers know full well the barriers they will face in the sport and aren't up for life-threatening hijinx from their fellow racers on the track or the crews in the pits?  Or is it that no one will give ...


Racing late models or the demolition derby with bob's local paint shop and jimmies subs is a world apart from moving on the career path. Your local short track is within reach of most with the desire to get into the lowest level of the sport. Sponsorships may help, but unless you are actively bringing those in plus some cash, you won't get a serious look. If you start moving on with a circuit, that takes loads more money and sponsorships usually don't cover everything.

Now as to why we don't see African Americans in motorsports in general.

One, lack of tracks as venues continue to close for the most part and their locations are not as centered on where African American's are living. Urban venues are long gone and even suburban tracks near major urban areas have been gobbled up by housing or other uses as the land becomes more valuable.  If you don't have a venue near you, you won't likely take the opportunity to participate.

Two, lack of exposure of racing as an option for athletics especially as race programming has moved more toward paid cable. Along side venues disappearing in urban and suburban areas, many just don't have exposure to racing.  Saturday night racing isn't part of the entertainment contemplation.

Three, lack of role models, as about the only Black drivers many would be exposed to are Bubba Wallace or if you follow F1, Lewis Hamilton and as successful as Hamilton is, he isn't African American, he is British so there is the identification problem there.

Four, Economics as previously stated as even if a youth wanted to go racing (lets say in New York), if you are living in an apartment, where do you keep your gear?  Soccer and Basketball, get your shoes and a ball and head to a court/pitch which is within grasp of most individuals. Yes, travel teams increase costs, but the initial barrier to try the sport is so much lower.  Soccer, Football, Hockey and Baseball are more expensive in terms of gear and venues but the barriers are lower.  The barrier in terms of costs of racing is so much greater.

Five, Racism is of course a factor. Like African American players in European Soccer, there is profound and systemic abuse that has to be endured. It may not be as prevalent as in some areas, but it certainly is in others.
 
2020-06-22 8:15:51 PM  

iamskibibitz: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?

It's not all racism. NASCAR also suffers from a TON of nepotism. Of course when all the founding families where white and (mostly) racist... the racism and nepotism are intertwined. And I wouldn't necessarily equate a sports ethnic diversity to systematic racism *entirely*. After all, which is more cowardly: putting a noose in the garage of a multi-racial driver, or quietly blackballing a football player for trying to raise social awareness to the plight of disadvantaged black Americans?


Difficulty: A high ranking government official with an active social media presence reinterpreting the act to inflame patriotic passions and evoke antisocial fury.
 
2020-06-22 8:21:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Daedalus27: iamskibibitz: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I'm sure the fact that there are so few people of color in the sport has nothing to do with systemic racism.  Right?

It's not all racism. NASCAR also suffers from a TON of nepotism. Of course when all the founding families where white and (mostly) racist... the racism and nepotism are intertwined. And I wouldn't necessarily equate a sports ethnic diversity to systematic racism *entirely*. After all, which is more cowardly: putting a noose in the garage of a multi-racial driver, or quietly blackballing a football player for trying to raise social awareness to the plight of disadvantaged black Americans?

Racism certainly is there, especially in fans, however the greatest barrier is one of Money. Motor sports, in general, requires significant economic resources to get started and advance through the ranks.  Whether it is NASCAR, F1, Indycar, Drag Racing, Motorcross, Sportscars, MotoGP, unless you have significant cash to pay for the vehicle, safety equipment, parts and hauler, and travel schedule, you aren't going to make it.  That is why nepotism is so prevalent as the equipment and resources is built in for the family members to utilize if they express interest.  Even sim racing has a barrier of entry as the computer systems, controllers, and subscriptions is not an insignificant cost.  This is an even more extreme barrier to entry than you see in basketball, baseball, football, soccer travel teams, leagues and academies.

Sorry, no.  I've known many dirt poor white rednecks in the South who race.  The good ones get sponsorships.  The really good ones get on a racing team, and then they can advance to the big leagues.  Are you telling me no black people are capable of following that path?  Or is it that black drivers know full well the barriers they will face in the sport and aren't up for life-threatening hijinx from their fellow racers on the track or the crews in the pits?  Or is it that no one will give black drivers a damn chance, because of...  well, I don't know what, but bah gawd, it ain't racist.


I'm a somewhat upper-middle-class white kid. I couldnt even get a LOOK at racing at the 24hrs of Daytona or LeMans, because I didnt have the money backing.

So you are wrong.
 
2020-06-22 8:23:26 PM  
I also was an instructor at Justin Bell's racing school when I was younger. He and his famous father raced at Le Mans etc.

If they couldnt get me a ride, what does that tell you?
 
2020-06-22 8:31:32 PM  
fatalvenom:

Racing is a sport you have to buy your way into.

The connections can help, but they can only do so much.

Then it becomes a game of chasing more money and or rides.
 
2020-06-22 8:31:49 PM  

fatalvenom: I'm a somewhat upper-middle-class white kid. I couldnt even get a LOOK at racing at the 24hrs of Daytona or LeMans, because I didnt have the money backing.

So you are wrong.


You couldn't get a look because you weren't good enough to attract the money backing.  See my previous post where I outlined the general career path of many NASCAR drivers.  YMMV, what with LeMans.

That's like me saying, "I had a voice degree, but I couldn't even get a LOOK at the Met because I didn't have the money."  I couldn't get a look because while I as good, I wasn't good enough to attract the attention that got me the gigs that got me the right connections and auditions.  I had to come to terms with that in my 20s.
 
2020-06-22 10:08:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: fatalvenom: I'm a somewhat upper-middle-class white kid. I couldnt even get a LOOK at racing at the 24hrs of Daytona or LeMans, because I didnt have the money backing.

So you are wrong.

You couldn't get a look because you weren't good enough to attract the money backing.  See my previous post where I outlined the general career path of many NASCAR drivers.  YMMV, what with LeMans.

That's like me saying, "I had a voice degree, but I couldn't even get a LOOK at the Met because I didn't have the money."  I couldn't get a look because while I as good, I wasn't good enough to attract the attention that got me the gigs that got me the right connections and auditions.  I had to come to terms with that in my 20s.


I used to outpace Justin Bell around Moroso Motorsports park. Where he had his own driving school. In a first-gen Z06.

Try again.
 
2020-06-23 1:48:05 AM  

AuralArgument: If you still give a fark about your high school either you didn't grow up & leave town or you never had immediate family not there.

AuralArgument:
Grow up or leave town not &


You started off with a wild swing then chased a second one in the dirt so now you're 0-2. Sure you want to take another swing there, slugger?
 
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