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(Slate)   "My family is white; we live in a white neighborhood. My twin sons went to a diverse charter school and had a diverse group of friends; this carried them through high school and they didn't get why others sat in race clusters. Have I failed them?"   (slate.com) divider line
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509 clicks; posted to Discussion » on 22 Jun 2020 at 7:05 AM (11 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-06-22 7:15:22 AM  
Yeah this is getting to "angels dancing on the head of a pin" level absurd.
 
2020-06-22 7:16:22 AM  
If LW was a real person, then it's good that they had so little influence on their kid's life that their dumb ideas didn't rub off.
 
2020-06-22 7:19:19 AM  
Going by the headline, it sounds like they came out fine in spite of you.
 
2020-06-22 7:22:40 AM  
Yes. Make sure your insurance is up-to-date, then seppuku and give them the gift of less student loans.
 
2020-06-22 7:40:46 AM  
Yes you've failed them. So you won't be able to participate in the next "Take your kids to work" cross burning.
 
2020-06-22 8:26:56 AM  
But one of our sons mentioned recently how irritated he is by the form he has to fill out regarding a college roommate. He has to specify his race, and all of the profiles of potential roommates he views also include race.

I... question the veracity of this in particular.
 
2020-06-22 8:32:05 AM  
Race cluster...
 
2020-06-22 9:42:48 AM  
The son is fine, the father is misinterpreting what his son is saying.

He hears, "I don't care about race".
The son is saying, "I like all of the races, I would be happy to have any of them."
 
2020-06-22 9:43:53 AM  
According to your letter, they aren't racist... but they are sexist.
 
2020-06-22 10:11:36 AM  

physt: Race cluster...


Imagine a beowulf cluster of races!
 
2020-06-22 10:30:52 AM  

Und Becks: physt: Race cluster...

Imagine a beowulf cluster of races!


A beowulf cluster with a race condition?
 
2020-06-22 11:41:38 AM  

physt: Race cluster...


That's such an obvious 'tell', innit? This guy uses the line; "I'm not racist, BUT..." weekly.
 
2020-06-22 11:41:51 AM  
I remember watching "Family Feud" with my grandma (Richard Dawson days) and there'd be a mixed family on.  She'd turn to me and ask if I'd ever marry a colored girl.  I told her it didn't matter, as long as I loved her.


Boy, that would get her.  Shut her right up.
 
2020-06-22 11:44:19 AM  
Just tell the the kids to stay out of trouble so they never go to prison.
 
2020-06-22 12:27:28 PM  
And you can knock it off with the self-congratulatory bullshiat.
 
2020-06-22 12:38:13 PM  

RogermcAllen: The son is fine, the father is misinterpreting what his son is saying.

He hears, "I don't care about race".
The son is saying, "I like all of the races, I would be happy to have any of them."


This.

He is happy to be friends and live with a person of any race.  That's a good thing.

The letter writing is equating that to the belief that "race doesn't matter" which leads to the belief that there's no such thing as racial injustice.  I have a hard time believing people of other races would want to be friends with the letter writer's son if that's what he believed.
 
2020-06-22 1:21:47 PM  
So a black person has all black friends, does that make them racist?
 
2020-06-22 3:08:09 PM  

Billy Liar: I remember watching "Family Feud" with my grandma (Richard Dawson days) and there'd be a mixed family on.  She'd turn to me and ask if I'd ever marry a colored girl.  I told her it didn't matter, as long as I loved her.


Boy, that would get her.  Shut her right up.


Ahhh, Gramma.  Proof that we're not so far from any form of racism as we thought.  I'm almost translucent white.
My best friend at the time, we'll call him Mark, was black.  Like light absorbing black.  Brought him around many times and introduced him by name almost every time.  Gramma would occasionally ask if my "little black boy" went back south.
First girl friend I brought home nearly killed Gramma.  Din't want me faternazing (spelled wrong on purpose) wid no N girl.  She was 15, I was 16 so this was mid 80's.

Oddly the whole pasty white family of mine swears up and down we're not racist...

Uh huh
 
2020-06-22 3:23:39 PM  

hi13760: So a black person has all black friends, does that make them racist?


I don't think so.  If they make a point of having only black friends, perhaps they're bigoted, the same way a white person or Asian person restricting themselves might be.  Or maybe they're not - maybe their specific circumstances has limited their opportunity.

It would be helpful if we all got on the same page when we use words like "racist", although I understand why we don't, too.  I think of "racist" as a 'big picture' word, a blanket term that falls over all aspects of our society, set up (intentionally or not) as having a "default" preference toward white people and anything else is somehow an exception to it, getting even as ridiculous as the "one drop of blood".  Strange that we founded a country with phrases like "All men are created equal", which sounds great! until you remember that it's not all and not all persons, either.  Embarrassing to say "all men" and then have to say a hundred years later, "Oh!  Yeah, you guys are equal now, too!" and then, "hey you gals, you too!" and slowly acknowledge other groups of people as being "equals". So a few hundred years later, we've made some progress on paper towards equality, but we've still got a long ways to go in practice.
 
2020-06-22 3:24:20 PM  

akya: RogermcAllen: The son is fine, the father is misinterpreting what his son is saying.

He hears, "I don't care about race".
The son is saying, "I like all of the races, I would be happy to have any of them."

This.

He is happy to be friends and live with a person of any race.  That's a good thing.

The letter writing is equating that to the belief that "race doesn't matter" which leads to the belief that there's no such thing as racial injustice.  I have a hard time believing people of other races would want to be friends with the letter writer's son if that's what he believed.


You can say "race doesn't matter to me" and still recognize it's impact on the lives of those who don't look like you.  It should be aspirational for us all, as long as we all understand we gotta pass go before real progress is made

"Race shouldn't matter"

It does, but what's the point of this conversation on race if we're not looking for positive change in the form of inclusion, enfranchisement and a new community that includes all Americans?
 
2020-06-22 6:42:13 PM  
"Because there are some people who would not like to room with you on account of the color of their skin, so the college has decided to spare you their company."
 
2020-06-22 6:42:52 PM  

Yamaneko2: "Because there are some people who would not like to room with you on account of the color of their skin, so the college has decided to spare you their company."


Color of *your* skin.
 
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