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(Maclean's)   Nova Scotia mass shooter withdrew nearly a half million in cash before the shootings directly from a Brinks depot which is consistent with how police informants are paid. Things are getting weird   (macleans.ca) divider line
    More: Strange, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Informant, Bank, Agent provocateur, Organized crime, Gabriel Wortman, Jacques Rougeau, United States Marshals Service  
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2020-06-21 7:45:30 PM  
Inquest now.
 
2020-06-21 7:57:21 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Inquest now.


No need the Liberals solved it all with a gun ban. I'm not sure if it applies to illegal weapons stockpiled by police informants we'll need to wait for a final ruling on that one.
 
2020-06-21 8:00:27 PM  
I doubt he was a police informant. Doesnt mean that he didnt have friends in the police who supported his cause, tho.
 
2020-06-21 8:10:10 PM  

cman: I doubt he was a police informant. Doesnt mean that he didnt have friends in the police who supported his cause, tho.


Probably not but there is enough police incompetence that an inquest is needed. The RCMP ignored clear warnings AND shot up a fire department but they seem to have gotten away with it. In most jobs shooting at the fire department would at least go in your personnel file but for some reason if you're a cop it's just another day at the office.
 
2020-06-21 8:23:24 PM  
That's a thick plot there.
 
2020-06-21 8:38:42 PM  
Well, that is really quite odd. He had money from somewhere to fund his OCD policeman hobby. Then again, wasn't he some kind of dentist or something?
 
2020-06-21 8:47:17 PM  
I can imagine scenarios in which this activity was part of his fantasy life and the money was entirely licit and his own.

I can imagine scenarios in which the Hells Angels and drugs are blown wide open, probably a funnel from Nova Scotia drug drops (or even drops in Newfoundland or the other Atlantic Provinces) come into Canada or transit through Canada into the gigantic US market via NS.

I will withhold judgment and avoid conspiracy theories, but there is a lot of plausability floating around the case all of a sudden, looking for facts to latch onto and ground themselves.
 
2020-06-21 8:55:05 PM  
You'd think you'd have a blast with the money before you did the other blasting

(Then maybe your grudges and grievances might have faded away)
 
2020-06-21 10:07:17 PM  
Whoa. That's farked up.
 
2020-06-21 10:07:25 PM  
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2020-06-21 10:07:38 PM  
Eh.
 
2020-06-21 10:14:43 PM  
Alert Alex Jones.
 
2020-06-21 10:17:00 PM  

brantgoose: I can imagine scenarios in which this activity was part of his fantasy life and the money was entirely licit and his own.

I can imagine scenarios in which the Hells Angels and drugs are blown wide open, probably a funnel from Nova Scotia drug drops (or even drops in Newfoundland or the other Atlantic Provinces) come into Canada or transit through Canada into the gigantic US market via NS.

I will withhold judgment and avoid conspiracy theories, but there is a lot of plausability floating around the case all of a sudden, looking for facts to latch onto and ground themselves.


Man, I love your schtick. Big fan.
 
2020-06-21 10:18:24 PM  
Wait. RCMP pay their informants HALF A MILLION BUCKS??? This is outrageous! Say, anybody happen to know how do I become one?
 
2020-06-21 10:20:13 PM  
In Spanish, that means 'does not go Scotia'

/ study it out
 
2020-06-21 10:20:33 PM  
If they don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy
 
2020-06-21 10:21:47 PM  

thedingoatemybaby: Wait. RCMP pay their informants HALF A MILLION BUCKS??? This is outrageous! Say, anybody happen to know how do I become one?


Do you know Jim or Jim knows you?
 
2020-06-21 10:23:40 PM  
Ive been trying to warn you guys about these seal clubbing lunatics for years
 
2020-06-21 10:23:58 PM  
Pow, right in the maple syrup kisser.
 
2020-06-21 10:24:16 PM  
Ok, I think I need to reread the article.

I don't recall it saying that they bothered to ask Brinks where the fark the money was from, or why they allowed the transaction.
 
2020-06-21 10:25:55 PM  

GrogSmash: Ok, I think I need to reread the article.

I don't recall it saying that they bothered to ask Brinks where the fark the money was from, or why they allowed the transaction.


They did.  Brinks refused to comment.  It's right in middle of article right after the quotes with the banker.
 
2020-06-21 10:26:15 PM  
Are we supposed to believe the RCMP pays criminal informants half a million dollars for their services?  That seems unlikely.
 
2020-06-21 10:26:17 PM  

thedingoatemybaby: Wait. RCMP pay their informants HALF A MILLION BUCKS??? This is outrageous! Say, anybody happen to know how do I become one?


Headline on Fark is inaccurate (shocking I know).
It's money for a buy.
The plan is to get it back at some point.
 
2020-06-21 10:26:25 PM  
one of his police replica cars

That's a huge red flag.  Don't a lot of serial killers drive cop or cop-like cars?
 
2020-06-21 10:26:27 PM  

AbuHashish: If they don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy


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2020-06-21 10:26:58 PM  

Emposter: Are we supposed to believe the RCMP pays criminal informants half a million dollars for their services?  That seems unlikely.


No.
Submitter didn't even read the article.
 
2020-06-21 10:28:11 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Inquest now.


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2020-06-21 10:28:21 PM  

GrogSmash: Ok, I think I need to reread the article.

I don't recall it saying that they bothered to ask Brinks where the fark the money was from, or why they allowed the transaction.


They did. It's in the same paragraph as CIBC's non-statement "Brinks did not reply to questions about the transaction."
 
2020-06-21 10:28:29 PM  

dkulprit: GrogSmash: Ok, I think I need to reread the article.

I don't recall it saying that they bothered to ask Brinks where the fark the money was from, or why they allowed the transaction.

They did.  Brinks refused to comment.  It's right in middle of article right after the quotes with the banker.


Yup, missed that.

Bank says the transferred the cash to Brinks...  from who's account?  Bank and RCMP say its consistent with their SOP, and a citizen can't make a withdrawal from Brinks...

Someone got 'sum 'spaining to do Lucy!
 
2020-06-21 10:29:01 PM  
The RCMP Operations Manual, a copy of which was obtained by Maclean's, authorizes the force to mislead all but the courts in order to conceal the identity of confidential informants and agent sources.

"The identity of a source must be protected at all times except when the administration of justice requires otherwise, i.e. a member cannot mislead a court in any proceeding in order to protect a source."


Protect the source? At this point "From whom?" is a fair question.

Our own bush-league Redcaps are already sure Gabriel Wortman's mass murder/suicide was part of a "Librano" plot to make gun owners look bad. We need to know the truth of what the hell happened here and we need it now.

(Americans: Your image of an RCMP officer may still be Dudley Do-Right. Think again.)
 
2020-06-21 10:30:12 PM  
I've never heard of this story or publication.  Canada peeps, is this real or a bunch of crankerey?
 
2020-06-21 10:33:20 PM  

Champion of the Sun: I've never heard of this story or publication.  Canada peeps, is this real or a bunch of crankerey?


Macleans is one of our few monthly news periodicals that actually has well researched news.  Politics and slant are a little not to my taste, but such is life.
 
2020-06-21 10:36:34 PM  

Champion of the Sun: I've never heard of this story or publication.  Canada peeps, is this real or a bunch of crankerey?


It is reliable if slighly right leaning. Its university ranking issue is garbage though
 
2020-06-21 10:36:47 PM  

RTOGUY: Tr0mBoNe: Inquest now.

No need the Liberals solved it all with a gun ban. I'm not sure if it applies to illegal weapons stockpiled by police informants we'll need to wait for a final ruling on that one.


Huh. The right wing nutjob is buying into a nutty conspiracy theory. Interesting.
 
2020-06-21 10:38:18 PM  
Don't worry, in the afterlife he apologized sincerely to his victims for acting out due to his mental illness. They all saw the tragedy of a mentally ill man destroyed by succumbing to his symptoms and promptly forgave him. They're now all enjoying some poutine and lacrosse in the green fields of Canadian heaven where never a snow flake falls.
 
2020-06-21 10:42:30 PM  

MikeyFuccon: Our own bush-league Redcaps are already sure Gabriel Wortman's mass murder/suicide was part of a "Librano" plot to make gun owners look bad. We need to know the truth of what the hell happened here and we need it now.


You'd think that if the "Libranos" were going to go to all that effort to make a conspiracy, they'd do if for more than a ban on assault weapons. You'd expect at least handgun-ban level ROI.
 
2020-06-21 10:43:00 PM  
guy had a fake cop car and uniform - I wouldn't put it past Canadian bank guards to just hand over 500k if the guy looked ledgit.
 
2020-06-21 10:43:46 PM  
things are getting weird subby?  Seriously?

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2020-06-21 10:45:06 PM  

Voiceofreason01: RTOGUY: Tr0mBoNe: Inquest now.

No need the Liberals solved it all with a gun ban. I'm not sure if it applies to illegal weapons stockpiled by police informants we'll need to wait for a final ruling on that one.

Huh. The right wing nutjob is buying into a nutty conspiracy theory. Interesting.


I don't buy the conspiracy theory but what we do know is this:

1) interviews with his neighbours mention they called the police because the guy was beating his common law wife and he openly told those neighbours about his illegal guns.
2) The RCMP did nothing.

Shortly following this event the government took swift action to take guns from legal gun owners. Part of Justin's reasoning for the ban was to protect vulnerable women and girls like for example the one beaten by this nutjob who owned guns purchased illegally and who also didn't have a license to possess them. I don't buy this as a false flag (mostly because I don't believe the RCMP is competent enough to pull it off) but I do know bullshiat scapegoating when I see it.
 
2020-06-21 10:45:58 PM  

Big Dave: guy had a fake cop car and uniform - I wouldn't put it past Canadian bank guards to just hand over 500k if the guy looked ledgit.


Bank guards, maybe.  Bankers?

You want 500k from them, they'll be examining your spleen to confirm your identity.  And there had better be some paperwork, or the RCMP and Brinks is in for a nasty surprise.
 
2020-06-21 10:45:59 PM  

Begoggle: thedingoatemybaby: Wait. RCMP pay their informants HALF A MILLION BUCKS??? This is outrageous! Say, anybody happen to know how do I become one?

Headline on Fark is inaccurate (shocking I know).
It's money for a buy.
The plan is to get it back at some point.


Yep this. This is for agents to get working money. Granted this guy was a cop lover so maybe he had begged and pleaded his way to being able to do this to RP being a cop, but it's definitely weird.
 
2020-06-21 10:51:29 PM  
Maybe I missed it in the article, but how the hell do they not know what account the money came from?
They know exactly when he was there, but they can't figure out who "ordered" it from Brinks or whatever they were describing?
I haven't been following this story, but I do know this makes no damn sense.
 
2020-06-21 10:54:58 PM  
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2020-06-21 10:56:53 PM  

Percise1: Maybe I missed it in the article, but how the hell do they not know what account the money came from?
They know exactly when he was there, but they can't figure out who "ordered" it from Brinks or whatever they were describing?
I haven't been following this story, but I do know this makes no damn sense.


The bank declined to comment on client transaction details, other than it is consistent with RCMP SOP.  Brinks declined to comment period.

So yes, they damn well know where the money came from, and they are in CYA mode.
 
2020-06-21 10:57:19 PM  

GrogSmash: Big Dave: guy had a fake cop car and uniform - I wouldn't put it past Canadian bank guards to just hand over 500k if the guy looked ledgit.

Bank guards, maybe.  Bankers?

You want 500k from them, they'll be examining your spleen to confirm your identity.  And there had better be some paperwork, or the RCMP and Brinks is in for a nasty surprise.


true true, I'm trying to work out how a cop cosplayer was able to get that cash without inside knowledge.
 
2020-06-21 10:57:50 PM  

RTOGUY: Shortly following this event the government took swift action to take guns from legal gun owners. Part of Justin's reasoning for the ban was to protect vulnerable women and girls like for example the one beaten by this nutjob who owned guns purchased illegally and who also didn't have a license to possess them. I don't buy this as a false flag (mostly because I don't believe the RCMP is competent enough to pull it off) but I do know bullshiat scapegoating when I see it.


Do you actually have a firearms license? I do. You know what the government actually did? They sent out a letter - a month after the ban went in place - stating that a bunch of firearms had been added to the prohibited list. Said letter also stated that if you happened to own any, you can't sell them or use them for anything. Also, there would be a buyback program announced in the future.

Nobody took any guns away, and they certainly didn't do so quickly.
 
2020-06-21 10:58:33 PM  

Big Dave: GrogSmash: Big Dave: guy had a fake cop car and uniform - I wouldn't put it past Canadian bank guards to just hand over 500k if the guy looked ledgit.

Bank guards, maybe.  Bankers?

You want 500k from them, they'll be examining your spleen to confirm your identity.  And there had better be some paperwork, or the RCMP and Brinks is in for a nasty surprise.

true true, I'm trying to work out how a cop cosplayer was able to get that cash without inside knowledge.


Thats where the agent/CI scenario comes in.  Maybe he wasn't a cosplayer...
 
2020-06-21 11:03:47 PM  

MikeyFuccon: The RCMP Operations Manual, a copy of which was obtained by Maclean's, authorizes the force to mislead all but the courts in order to conceal the identity of confidential informants and agent sources.

"The identity of a source must be protected at all times except when the administration of justice requires otherwise, i.e. a member cannot mislead a court in any proceeding in order to protect a source."

Protect the source? At this point "From whom?" is a fair question.

Our own bush-league Redcaps are already sure Gabriel Wortman's mass murder/suicide was part of a "Librano" plot to make gun owners look bad. We need to know the truth of what the hell happened here and we need it now.

(Americans: Your image of an RCMP officer may still be Dudley Do-Right. Think again.)


He did not abide by one law required to be a gun owner.  Saying he made gun owners look bad is like saying a drug dealer makes pharmacists look bad.

Although to stupid people, yeah you have a point.
 
2020-06-21 11:05:57 PM  
Thats where the agent/CI scenario comes in.  Maybe he wasn't a cosplayer...

Canada's own Bourne squad gone off the reservation?  I remember in the early riots (G8 meetings)breaking starbucks and mcdonnadls there were guys starting riots who had boots exactly like the police they were trying to agitate against.
Another govt program gone off the rails?
 
2020-06-21 11:09:43 PM  

trialpha: MikeyFuccon: Our own bush-league Redcaps are already sure Gabriel Wortman's mass murder/suicide was part of a "Librano" plot to make gun owners look bad. We need to know the truth of what the hell happened here and we need it now.

You'd think that if the "Libranos" were going to go to all that effort to make a conspiracy, they'd do if for more than a ban on assault weapons. You'd expect at least handgun-ban level ROI.


Of course---and the nutjobs fail to explain how they imagine someone as gormless as they claim Justin Trudeau could have pulled off a false flag convincingly.

Never mind. Not everyone will take the time to think it through, and the conspiracy theories came out of Charlotte Street before Wortman and his victims were even cold. Only the truth (however embarrassing to the Mounties) will stop them now.
 
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