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2020-06-21 4:12:29 PM  
"The ad is horrific and is utterly indefensible in all circumstances. It is wrong, period, and should have never been published," Anastasi said. "It has hurt members of our community and our own employees and that saddens me beyond belief. It is inconsistent with everything The Tennessean as an institution stands and has stood for."

"I mean, I hate mooslims too, but come on guys, we're just asking for some subtlety here.  Work with us."
 
2020-06-21 4:44:22 PM  
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2020-06-21 6:25:33 PM  
A similar ad, one that did not mention Islam but also contained an end-times prophecy, published in the newspaper on June 17.

So two ads?  Why is the Tennessean working so hard to keep its readers from finding out about the end-times?  What are they hiding??
 
2020-06-21 7:34:46 PM  
Rapture time baby.

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2020-06-21 8:41:06 PM  
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2020-06-21 8:53:30 PM  
Well, guys, rules about these things are meaningless if the Cletus who actually does the grunt work of setting the paper agrees with them.
 
2020-06-21 8:56:08 PM  
Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.
 
2020-06-21 8:57:09 PM  

Naido: A similar ad, one that did not mention Islam but also contained an end-times prophecy, published in the newspaper on June 17.

So two ads?  Why is the Tennessean working so hard to keep its readers from finding out about the end-times?  What are they hiding??


A second ad has hit the Tennessean!

/aisle seat please
 
2020-06-21 8:58:07 PM  

Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.


Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker
 
2020-06-21 9:00:23 PM  

kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker


...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?
 
2020-06-21 9:00:35 PM  
How could it have possibly happened?
Next: middle-school nerd to investigate why he is hitting himself
 
2020-06-21 9:01:14 PM  
This is an End Times ministry who promote that that this is man's last generation ob Earth.

the main honcho seems to be Jeff Pippenger (lots of google hits)
and you can send donations to
P.O. Box 7 Bonnerdale, AR 71933

You can also buy their magazine The Time of the End

https://store.futureforamerica.com/pr​o​ducts/time-of-the-end-magazine

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that looks like it first came out during the Reagan years and the cover hasn't been updated since

July 18, 2020 Nashville Prophecy
https://www.midnightcry.news/
 
2020-06-21 9:01:17 PM  

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And we're done here. Thank you everyone, drive safe.
 
2020-06-21 9:01:50 PM  

NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?


Are we in highschool again?
 
2020-06-21 9:01:58 PM  

Naido: A similar ad, one that did not mention Islam but also contained an end-times prophecy, published in the newspaper on June 17.

So two ads?  Why is the Tennessean working so hard to keep its readers from finding out about the end-times?  What are they hiding??


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2020-06-21 9:02:20 PM  
So they are investigating themselves? Who the hell do they think they are? A U.S. police department?
 
2020-06-21 9:03:01 PM  

NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?


Are you contending that it's not possible to disparage non-racial characteristics of people, to target racial groups?
Or are you just pretending to be stupid?
 
2020-06-21 9:03:37 PM  

Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.


I'm beginning to think you actually are Todd.

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2020-06-21 9:04:11 PM  

fusillade762: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

I'm beginning to think you actually are Todd.

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No way!!
Fark alts don't exist.
Surely.
 
2020-06-21 9:04:14 PM  
impending nuclear attack in Nashville by "Islam."

Man, Islam must really hate country music.
 
2020-06-21 9:05:53 PM  
Easy. The people running the ad paid the money, so the ad ran. I can't believe a newspaper doesn't understand how paid ads in a newspaper work.
 
2020-06-21 9:06:20 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?

Are we in highschool again?


I am genuinely confused.

The original ad says "Islam is going to detonate a nuclear device." Which is just insane, because 'Islam' is an abstract noun.

The writer uses "Islam" to mean, I presume, Muslim people.

And then kobrakai up there called Not_Todd racist and willfully obtuse, for pointing out what I just did.

Please, enlighten me on what I'm missing.
 
2020-06-21 9:07:02 PM  
Holy shiat ok, yes, I'm a racist guys, for pointing out that the writer is farking insane. You got me.
 
2020-06-21 9:09:31 PM  
There probably is not more than a handful of U.S. newspapers beyond the "community tattler" where one person (with a conscience) oversees every single word that goes in it. Typically, this editor sees these pages, that editor sees those pages, etc. And advertising folks are probably on their own when comes to standards and practices; just don't use Carlin's 7 Dirty Words and don't put competitors' ads on the same page.
 
2020-06-21 9:10:27 PM  
Oh, look - it's "I'm not racist Butt"!
 
2020-06-21 9:11:44 PM  

Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.


It is a race to the stone age, so kinda.
 
2020-06-21 9:13:35 PM  
TENNESSEE DEMANDS ITS OWN TAG!!!! LOOK AT ALL THOSE REPEATING LETTERS. INBRED MOSSBACKS AT ONE END, MEMFRICA AT THE OTHERS, AND EVERY FAKE COWBOY IN THE MIDDLE. SENATOR ACID QUEEN HAS OXY'S FOR EVERYONE!!! TAG MUST HAVE!
 
2020-06-21 9:16:21 PM  

Begoggle: NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?

Are you contending that it's not possible to disparage non-racial characteristics of people, to target racial groups?
Or are you just pretending to be stupid?


Well, technically, saying "racism" when you mean "bigotry" is a vocabulary error.
It's a really common one.
The only people who make an issue of it are apologists for white racists, as a rule.
Apparently hating and condemning an entire people because of the ethnicity , faith, and culture they were born into is somehow less onerous if it can be technically argued that it is not "racism".
These are small, petty, pedantic minds - and they are arguing in bad faith to excuse bigotry.
 
2020-06-21 9:17:48 PM  
After a thorough investigation:

Well, first the person called us and said they'd like to run an ad.

Then they paid us.

Then we printed the ad.

That's about what happened.
 
2020-06-21 9:18:08 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

It is a race to the stone age, so kinda.


Well, it IS an Abrahamic religion, after all.
Those exotic middle eastern faiths are all pretty toxic, intellectually.
 
2020-06-21 9:18:24 PM  

fusillade762: impending nuclear attack in Nashville by "Islam."

Man, Islam must really hate country music.


If it's that corporate shiat, I say fire up the Enola Gay and let's do it right.
 
2020-06-21 9:20:08 PM  

jso2897: Begoggle: NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?

Are you contending that it's not possible to disparage non-racial characteristics of people, to target racial groups?
Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Well, technically, saying "racism" when you mean "bigotry" is a vocabulary error.
It's a really common one.
The only people who make an issue of it are apologists for white racists, as a rule.
Apparently hating and condemning an entire people because of the ethnicity , faith, and culture they were born into is somehow less onerous if it can be technically argued that it is not "racism".
These are small, petty, pedantic minds - and they are arguing in bad faith to excuse bigotry.


Totally. That's what I did -- argued that the author is not racist and excused bigotry.
 
2020-06-21 9:21:23 PM  
Believe it or not, there was a time when the "Tennessean" was a decent newspaper. They ran in the mornings while another paper, the "Nashville Banner" ran in the evenings. The "Banner" died years ago, but the "Tennessean" is hanging in there under Gannett ownership. We get pre-packaged stories that hang around for days on their web site. I have a good Sudoku app and can read the comics online, so there is no reason for me to subscribe to them.
 
2020-06-21 9:21:29 PM  

Gulper Eel: fusillade762: impending nuclear attack in Nashville by "Islam."

Man, Islam must really hate country music.

If it's that corporate shiat, I say fire up the Enola Gay and let's do it right.


"Don't make me come down there again." - William Tecumseh Sherman
 
2020-06-21 9:22:15 PM  

NateAsbestos: Totally. That's what I did -- argued that the author is not racist and excused bigotry.


Okay, if you say so.
 
2020-06-21 9:24:11 PM  
TAG!!!THIS PLACE IS JUST AS FULL OF STUPID. TENNESSEE DEMANDS TAG!
 
2020-06-21 9:28:36 PM  

NateAsbestos: Please, enlighten me on what I'm missing.


The fact that Fark.com isn't a scholarly journal or a place of rigorous formal debate, the acknowledgement that everybody fully understands the implication of that ad is that "Islam" means "brownish people", and the self-awareness to not get hung up on technicalities where they don't matter.

The idiot who produced that ad is referring to Islamic adherents, middle eastern Jews, Sikhs, black people, Italians, Puerto Ricans and white kids with black hair who spent a little too much time in the sun lately. I very much doubt the assholes who put it together did a lot of rigorous research into Islam before they produced this tripe, so there's probably not going to be a lot of value in deconstructing the historical, cultural, and religious details of Islam in understanding the ad.

There's not a lot of farking subtlety to this shiat and acting like the moron who created this didn't mean "people with darkish skin" in place of "Islam" is just being obtuse, at best, racist-enabling asshole at worst.

Yea. It's racist. The fact that the person who wrote the copy doesn't understand the intricate details behind different ethnic and religious groups is a lot of the reason it was farking racist.
 
2020-06-21 9:31:40 PM  

NateAsbestos: Holy shiat ok, yes, I'm a racist guys, for pointing out that the writer is farking insane. You got me.


Sorry, it's a knee-jeek response to anyone we don't agree with or understand.
 
2020-06-21 9:33:15 PM  

skozlaw: There's not a lot of farking subtlety to this shiat and acting like the moron who created this didn't mean "people with darkish skin" in place of "Islam" is just being obtuse, at best, racist-enabling asshole at worst.

Yea. It's racist. The fact that the person who wrote the copy doesn't understand the intricate details behind different ethnic and religious groups is a lot of the reason it was farking racist.


I couldn't agree more. And I didn't see anyone do what you claimed in the bold up there.

I never once claimed the author wasn't racist -- it's clear they are. But here's how things went from my perspective:

Author: <all sorts of stupid, bigoted shiat>
Farker A: Author is the kind of idiot who thinks 'Islam' is a race.
Farker B: Farker A is a willfully obtuse racist!
Me: ...what? How?
Farker C, D, E: Holy shiat NateAsbestos is a willfully obtuse racist!
 
2020-06-21 9:34:20 PM  
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2020-06-21 9:34:56 PM  

2farknfunny: TENNESSEE DEMANDS ITS OWN TAG!!!! LOOK AT ALL THOSE REPEATING LETTERS. INBRED MOSSBACKS AT ONE END, MEMFRICA AT THE OTHERS, AND EVERY FAKE COWBOY IN THE MIDDLE. SENATOR ACID QUEEN HAS OXY'S FOR EVERYONE!!! TAG MUST HAVE!


Just wait until you hear about Mississippi.
 
2020-06-21 9:43:13 PM  

NateAsbestos: Totally. That's what I did -- argued that the author is not racist and excused bigotry.


The point is that when you delve into technicalities in things like this, you give too much credit to the bigot and detract from the importance of the opposing message.

There are times and places where technical deconstruction of a message can yield valuable insights. This is not one of them. The message was racist. Yes, the technical language did not refer to a race, but there's more than enough context around this type of message to understand that the intent was to intimidate not just on religious lines, but racial and social lines as well.

Being a racist and enabling racism are different things. Well-meaning as it may be, bogging down discussion of bigotry in technicalities can enable racists, because they don't give a shiat about being right. When you worry too much about rigor and definitions, it can cause enough distraction that the villains in the discussion can slip through and cause more harm while everybody else is arguing over minutiae.

Again, there's a time and place for rigorous detail. Popular discussion of a bigoted ad in a newspaper is not one of those places, so simply using a colloquial form of "racist" to refer to this ad is fine in this forum.

And, yes, I get that you got some harsh backlash initially. But, remember, this is a charged and important topic and it's easy to get people's emotions up quickly in a medium where nuance often can't be easily portrayed.
 
2020-06-21 9:50:07 PM  

skozlaw: Being a racist and enabling racism are different things. Well-meaning as it may be, bogging down discussion of bigotry in technicalities can enable racists, because they don't give a shiat about being right. When you worry too much about rigor and definitions, it can cause enough distraction that the villains in the discussion can slip through and cause more harm while everybody else is arguing over minutiae.


I agree.

My understanding of the intricate inner workings of Fark has always been "we ridicule idiots, from all angles and at all times."

To me the author's racism was crystal clear, and low hanging fruit. I understood Not_Todd's comment to be of the "in addition to being a racist, the author is also a moron!" motif. Which seems to have triggered people, which is still baffling to me.

Nobody was nit-picking about the nuance of racism vs. bigotry. Not as I read it.
 
2020-06-21 9:51:07 PM  

NateAsbestos: Holy shiat ok, yes, I'm a racist guys, for pointing out that the writer is farking insane. You got me.


Good now that's cleared up, tell us where you stand on pedophilia and ephebophilia.
 
2020-06-21 9:51:08 PM  

NotCodger: Believe it or not, there was a time when the "Tennessean" was a decent newspaper. They ran in the mornings while another paper, the "Nashville Banner" ran in the evenings. The "Banner" died years ago, but the "Tennessean" is hanging in there under Gannett ownership. We get pre-packaged stories that hang around for days on their web site. I have a good Sudoku app and can read the comics online, so there is no reason for me to subscribe to them.


It sounds like every newspaper Gannett has gobbled up over the last 40 years, including the Arizona Republic, which might have had a right-wing editorial bent, but had some good news reporting pre-Gannett.
 
2020-06-21 9:52:43 PM  

jso2897: Begoggle: NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?

Are you contending that it's not possible to disparage non-racial characteristics of people, to target racial groups?
Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Well, technically, saying "racism" when you mean "bigotry" is a vocabulary error.
It's a really common one.
The only people who make an issue of it are apologists for white racists, as a rule.
Apparently hating and condemning an entire people because of the ethnicity , faith, and culture they were born into is somehow less onerous if it can be technically argued that it is not "racism".
These are small, petty, pedantic minds - and they are arguing in bad faith to excuse bigotry.


I disagree, it muddies the message. And as racism is a type of bigotry, I don't see how one could find bigotry to be less onerous than racism.

I just finished editing an audio book an hour ago. In it, the author makes many great points and backs them up with incontrovertible facts. In general, it's a solid book that makes his point, one I happen to agree with. Yes, it is critical of our current President. There are a lot of them out there, and I've worked on a bunch of them. Unfortunately, this one is invalidated by the author's generous use of petty ad hominem attacks, smarmy, glib delivery, and maybe worst of all, inaccurate readings of direct quotes. It's maddening.

Calling a thing something it isn't opens your argument up to criticism. It's the same as photo that is misleading due to forced perspective, or a graphic with misleading/incomplete data. It's what we call "not helping."
 
2020-06-21 9:56:19 PM  

NateAsbestos: I understood Not_Todd's comment to be of the "in addition to being a racist, the author is also a moron!" motif.


That's not what he said, though. And introducing unnecessary rigor with a vague complaint about terminology is a common diversionary tactic for people looking to derail a conversation by bogging it down in pointless technicality.

Which... I mean... is exactly what we're doing right now and has occurred over a good chunk of the first 40 comments in this thread.
 
2020-06-21 9:56:45 PM  

skozlaw: And, yes, I get that you got some harsh backlash initially. But, remember, this is a charged and important topic and it's easy to get people's emotions up quickly in a medium where nuance often can't be easily portrayed.


"It is totally your fault I lack the reading comprehension or intellectual capacity to understand what you are saying. I'll forgive you this time, but try to do better in the future and not make me so angry."

/since we're on the topic of using fewer words to say what we mean
 
2020-06-21 9:58:25 PM  

NateAsbestos: kobrakai: Not_Todd: Oh, look. Another mal-educated writer who thinks Islam is a race.

Oh look, another racist, willfully obtuse farker

...? Are you contending that Islam is, in fact, a race?


It isn't a race.

It's more of a decathlon.
 
2020-06-21 9:59:04 PM  

Elegy: skozlaw: And, yes, I get that you got some harsh backlash initially. But, remember, this is a charged and important topic and it's easy to get people's emotions up quickly in a medium where nuance often can't be easily portrayed.

"It is totally your fault I lack the reading comprehension or intellectual capacity to understand what you are saying. I'll forgive you this time, but try to do better in the future and not make me so angry."

/since we're on the topic of using fewer words to say what we mean


Is that supposed to be a passive aggressive jab at me?
 
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