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2020-06-20 10:38:37 PM  
most civilized countries, subster.
This isn't one.
Not anymore.
 
2020-06-21 12:09:33 AM  
I wish people would recognize that gay folk should probably get asylum, too.  shiat, I'd be in Canada in a goddamn heartbeat.
 
2020-06-21 12:22:00 AM  
Really?

Canada, here I come!

Oh wait, mon tabarnak de Trudeau a fermé la frontière pour un autre mois.
 
2020-06-21 6:03:57 AM  
I seriously considered trying that when I bailed on the US on 2004. I ended up in grad school ins
 
2020-06-21 6:05:40 AM  

HighOnCraic: I seriously considered trying that when I bailed on the US on 2004. I ended up in grad school instead.


/Might consider trying that in November, regardless of who wins...
 
2020-06-21 6:18:09 AM  
If Trump wins in November, I'm not black, but I'm totally applying for asylum.

With my luck, it will be only accepted by North Best Korea.
 
2020-06-21 6:59:23 AM  
 
2020-06-21 7:02:39 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I wish people would recognize that gay folk should probably get asylum, too.  shiat, I'd be in Canada in a goddamn heartbeat.


Sadly, I think the only people truly "safe" in this country anymore are straight white men. (could probably add "Christian" to that list as well)

/I am one but don't feel safe from Reich-wing terrorists
//wouldn't want to live in a country that is not diverse
///if Dotard wins reelection things will get even worse
 
2020-06-21 7:03:31 AM  
I live in Baltimore where the murder rate is 56 per 100k inhabitants. Guatemala's is 27.3. Honduras' is 42.8.

I would like to apply for asylum in Guatemala or Honduras. Where do I go?

Oh, and I will need medical care, food and shelter as soon as I get there. That's my right isn't it?
 
2020-06-21 7:07:57 AM  
Diabetics like me should be able to apply for asylum in Finland.
 
2020-06-21 7:11:19 AM  
In January the new president needs to sign an executive order totally defunding all police and tearing down all statues and art of any slavery supporters.
 
2020-06-21 7:11:46 AM  
I wonder how many black Americans would throw away their upper class (by global standards) lives to go move Into the refugee camps to join others trying to escape the "ruthless oppression" they face at home?


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Something tells me "very few."

For all its flaws the USA is still a lot better place to live than most in the world. This is why the Liberia project failed to attract more than 20,000 or so settlers in the mid-1800s.
 
2020-06-21 7:12:07 AM  

MegaLib: In January the new president needs to sign an executive order totally defunding all police and tearing down all statues and art of any slavery supporters.


That's not going to happen, largely because it's not something he has any authority over
 
2020-06-21 7:25:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: I wonder how many black Americans would throw away their upper class (by global standards) lives to go move Into the refugee camps to join others trying to escape the "ruthless oppression" they face at home?


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Something tells me "very few."

For all its flaws the USA is still a lot better place to live than most in the world. This is why the Liberia project failed to attract more than 20,000 or so settlers in the mid-1800s.


We also have better health care than Rwanda and saner drug laws than Singapore. Big whoop. Why can't we have better health care than Canada and saner drug laws than the Netherlands?
 
2020-06-21 7:26:43 AM  
Ok, Qatar...you start by taking a single Syrian Refugee.

Until then. GFY, EABOD, DIAF.

/Drew, if you won't let me submit RT...why do you let Qatari RT links get submitted?
 
2020-06-21 7:35:43 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Ok, Qatar...you start by taking a single Syrian Refugee.

Until then. GFY, EABOD, DIAF.

/Drew, if you won't let me submit RT...why do you let Qatari RT links get submitted?


Take your own advice, please.
 
2020-06-21 7:37:26 AM  
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Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

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2020-06-21 7:42:52 AM  

LL316: ColonelCathcart: Ok, Qatar...you start by taking a single Syrian Refugee.

Until then. GFY, EABOD, DIAF.

/Drew, if you won't let me submit RT...why do you let Qatari RT links get submitted?

Take your own advice, please.


Nah. Qatar is way worse, so glad you're white knighting then.
 
2020-06-21 7:43:44 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]


Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.
 
2020-06-21 7:47:10 AM  

ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.


Testosterone is a dangerous drug.
 
2020-06-21 7:49:48 AM  

ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.


Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?
 
2020-06-21 7:50:09 AM  

Shaggy_C: I wonder how many black Americans would throw away their upper class (by global standards) lives to go move Into the refugee camps to join others trying to escape the "ruthless oppression" they face at home?


[morningstaronline.co.uk image 850x421]

Something tells me "very few."

For all its flaws the USA is still a lot better place to live than most in the world. This is why the Liberia project failed to attract more than 20,000 or so settlers in the mid-1800s.


Settle up on all that unpaid labor used to build this country and more than you think would leave.  As far as the Liberia project goes, many ex slaves felt they had built a life here literally with blood, sweat, and tears so why leave what you built for potentially even worse  situation.  The life of most blacks would  be different had they got their 40 acres and a mule but America rarely follows through with its promises to minorities.
 
2020-06-21 7:51:26 AM  

ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.


Nope. That's actually not true.

Men and women are far more similar than they are different. Even in terms of aggressive and violent behavior. Men still commit more crimes and end up in jail at higher rates.

Anyone with even a little college math will know that these two statements are not contradictory.
 
2020-06-21 8:21:36 AM  
How about Denmark?  Is it time for an American diaspora?

/asking for a friend
//a friend once bit my sister
 
2020-06-21 8:32:15 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?


Are you asserting that black people are more inherently violent?
 
2020-06-21 8:35:16 AM  

BlueVet: Shaggy_C: I wonder how many black Americans would throw away their upper class (by global standards) lives to go move Into the refugee camps to join others trying to escape the "ruthless oppression" they face at home?


[morningstaronline.co.uk image 850x421]

Something tells me "very few."

For all its flaws the USA is still a lot better place to live than most in the world. This is why the Liberia project failed to attract more than 20,000 or so settlers in the mid-1800s.

Settle up on all that unpaid labor used to build this country and more than you think would leave.  As far as the Liberia project goes, many ex slaves felt they had built a life here literally with blood, sweat, and tears so why leave what you built for potentially even worse  situation.  The life of most blacks would  be different had they got their 40 acres and a mule but America rarely follows through with its promises to minorities.


On the other hand, the Americo-Liberians ruled over their country, and over the native Liberians, as an aristocratic class not really different than the plantation owners of the antebellum South.  "I learned it from you, Dad!"?
 
2020-06-21 8:40:58 AM  
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For people confused about how math and systemic racism works, there's 60% non Hispanic whites, 20% Hispanic, and 15% black people in this country. Hispanics are grouped into white ONLY for crime reporting. Why?
So it doesn't look as bad when 15% of the population is charged with half of the number of crimes as 80% of the population.  See, if you include another group of people who receive racist treatment into your control population, your targeted group doesn't look so bad.
If you have to admit that 15% and 20% of the population is charged with the same number of crimes as the other 60%, it's far more obvious that the two minority groups are targeted.
 
2020-06-21 8:44:35 AM  

qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?

Are you asserting that black people are more inherently violent?


No.

I'm asserting putting out naked statistics is meaningless without controlling for other factors.
 
2020-06-21 8:46:02 AM  
My Italian citizenship was derailed by the pandemic, hopefully it'll be wrapped up before January. Just in case.
 
2020-06-21 8:46:15 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?

Are you asserting that black people are more inherently violent?

No.

I'm asserting putting out naked statistics is meaningless without controlling for other factors.


Like and such as?
 
2020-06-21 8:49:59 AM  

qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?

Are you asserting that black people are more inherently violent?

No.

I'm asserting putting out naked statistics is meaningless without controlling for other factors.

Like and such as?


Actual rates of crime and income in particular.
 
2020-06-21 8:50:23 AM  
This is all farking bullshiat staged by left-wing assholes bent on changing our society, culture and government in ways that have nothing to do with racism.  This isn't about "systemic racism".

People who are silent about the systematic detention and torture of Uygyurs, abuse of the justice system in Russia and Cuba, and various and sundry abuses of civil rights around the world suddenly find theirs voices when it comes to what is happening in the U.S. I wonder why.

As Robert L. Woodson said, correctly:

"There are a small group of people hell-bent on destroying this republic," he says. "They are using our birth defect of slavery to devalue our founding principles and virtues, and using race grievance as its weapon. We must resist."
 
2020-06-21 8:50:58 AM  

Likwit: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Nope. That's actually not true.

Men and women are far more similar than they are different. Even in terms of aggressive and violent behavior. Men still commit more crimes and end up in jail at higher rates.

Anyone with even a little college math will know that these two statements are not contradictory.


Do tell.
With links/numbers/proof of any kind...
 
2020-06-21 8:51:31 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?

Are you asserting that black people are more inherently violent?

No.

I'm asserting putting out naked statistics is meaningless without controlling for other factors.

Like and such as?

Actual rates of crime and income in particular.


You don't quite understand what you're talking about, do you? It's ok, no one blames you for your complete lack of education and comprehension.

Oh, wait. Yes we do.
 
2020-06-21 8:55:18 AM  

Mouser: BlueVet: Shaggy_C: I wonder how many black Americans would throw away their upper class (by global standards) lives to go move Into the refugee camps to join others trying to escape the "ruthless oppression" they face at home?


[morningstaronline.co.uk image 850x421]

Something tells me "very few."

For all its flaws the USA is still a lot better place to live than most in the world. This is why the Liberia project failed to attract more than 20,000 or so settlers in the mid-1800s.

Settle up on all that unpaid labor used to build this country and more than you think would leave.  As far as the Liberia project goes, many ex slaves felt they had built a life here literally with blood, sweat, and tears so why leave what you built for potentially even worse  situation.  The life of most blacks would  be different had they got their 40 acres and a mule but America rarely follows through with its promises to minorities.

On the other hand, the Americo-Liberians ruled over their country, and over the native Liberians, as an aristocratic class not really different than the plantation owners of the antebellum South.  "I learned it from you, Dad!"?


They learned from the best and  many of them paid for it with their life. Also why I said a worse situation.
 
2020-06-21 8:57:26 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Actual rates of crime and income in particular.


Oh, we just adjust everything using our omniscient knowledge.  How simple.

How about as a temporary measure, you realize that crime rates are roughly even distributed across races, and ask relevant questions about ARREST statistics, and why the country is content using ARREST statistics to justify their racist points of views, when arrest statistics are skewed by the behavior of law enforcement.  Do you think crimes are committed at different rates once you control for everything except race?  There's no evidence of that, and no reason to believe it other than racist assumptions.
 
2020-06-21 9:01:21 AM  
No shiat. Finland would love an Olympic gold medal in a sport that counts.
 
2020-06-21 9:04:14 AM  

Mr Guy: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Actual rates of crime and income in particular.

Oh, we just adjust everything using our omniscient knowledge.  How simple.

How about as a temporary measure, you realize that crime rates are roughly even distributed across races, and ask relevant questions about ARREST statistics, and why the country is content using ARREST statistics to justify their racist points of views, when arrest statistics are skewed by the behavior of law enforcement.  Do you think crimes are committed at different rates once you control for everything except race?  There's no evidence of that, and no reason to believe it other than racist assumptions.


Crimes are evenly distributed? Umm. No. Go to an Asian neighborhood and let me know if you still believe that.
 
2020-06-21 9:08:17 AM  
Wait! I wanna go too!
 
2020-06-21 9:08:52 AM  

Shaggy_C: I wonder how many black Americans would throw away their upper class (by global standards) lives to go move Into the refugee camps to join others trying to escape the "ruthless oppression" they face at home?


Some of them might take it over their current status of 'Dead by murderous cop' though.

The extent to which you fail to get it seems to grow larger by the week.
 
2020-06-21 9:10:47 AM  

qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: qorkfiend: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: ColonelCathcart: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: [Fark user image image 425x157]

Great. Funny she doesn't mention the much larger disparities by sex.

[Fark user image image 425x316]

Men are (way) more violent than women, news at 11.

Oh. You mean putting out statistics for arrests and incarcerations is meaningless without controlling for actual rates of violent crime?

Are you asserting that black people are more inherently violent?

No.

I'm asserting putting out naked statistics is meaningless without controlling for other factors.

Like and such as?

Actual rates of crime and income in particular.

You don't quite understand what you're talking about, do you? It's ok, no one blames you for your complete lack of education and comprehension.

Oh, wait. Yes we do.


It really depends on the exact question we're asking. Perhaps we're talking about different things.

One question you may want to discuss is the extent to which the criminal justice system is unfairly charging black people with crimes.

To answer that, you need to know and factor out a couple things:

1. The difference in actual crime rates between groups. If the between group difference in actual crimes committed (if one could know this) and the difference in charges was similar, that wouldn't be unfair.

2. How much of the difference in charges can be explained by income level of the offender? If you statistically factor out income (or net assets) and it turns out that much of the difference can be explained by that, you have a class issue, rather than specifically race issue.
 
2020-06-21 9:34:39 AM  

Mr Guy: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Actual rates of crime and income in particular.

Oh, we just adjust everything using our omniscient knowledge.  How simple.

How about as a temporary measure, you realize that crime rates are roughly even distributed across races, and ask relevant questions about ARREST statistics, and why the country is content using ARREST statistics to justify their racist points of views, when arrest statistics are skewed by the behavior of law enforcement.  Do you think crimes are committed at different rates once you control for everything except race?  There's no evidence of that, and no reason to believe it other than racist assumptions.


One of the most defined and accurate  examples of a measure of crime is murder. You have a victim and you can record the group. And most actual murders (unlike something like rape) are reported.

In 2018, 52% of murder victims were black. We know that the vast majority of murder victims are murdered by members of their own race. (...You have to factor in other intraracial murder stats to get to my next sentence...) In the case of murders, it's pretty clear that black people do commit this particular crime at a rate several times higher than their statistical representation. I'm not sure anyone disputes this. If black people then are arrested at a rate several times higher than white people for murder, it's not unfair and it's not a problem with police.

To add, you could also do what I suggested above and factor out income or net assets and see if the difference in murder rate could be explained by class rather than race. But that doesn't negate my advice to do that elsewhere as well.
 
2020-06-21 9:40:50 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: How about Denmark?  Is it time for an American diaspora?

/asking for a friend
//a friend once bit my sister


The American disapora is ongoing and accelerating. It's just those that leave aren't busy talking about it on inet forums. They're busy leaving.
 
2020-06-21 9:45:03 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Crimes are evenly distributed? Umm. No. Go to an Asian neighborhood and let me know if you still believe that.


hahah...you REALLY think that Asian crimes would be equally reported in Asian neighborhoods?

Pull the other one.
 
2020-06-21 9:51:16 AM  

BafflerMeal: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: How about Denmark?  Is it time for an American diaspora?

/asking for a friend
//a friend once bit my sister

The American disapora is ongoing and accelerating. It's just those that leave aren't busy talking about it on inet forums. They're busy leaving.


BafflerMeal: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: How about Denmark?  Is it time for an American diaspora?

/asking for a friend
//a friend once bit my sister

The American disapora is ongoing and accelerating. It's just those that leave aren't busy talking about it on inet forums. They're busy leaving.


I doubt you're even from Germany.  Russia, more likely. Where's the proof of this "diaspora"?

Anyone actually living here recognizes this for what it is: the sort of self-obsessed eruption of free expression you get periodically in any democratic society where people are free to say anything, good or bad. Of course those voices are silenced in many other countries.

I don't want people to get hurt or punished for expressing themselves, but I will disagree with the untruths, and I will fight anyone who seeks to silence other voice they dont like.
 
2020-06-21 9:52:05 AM  
MrBiggest:


1) This is all farking bullshiat staged by left-wing assholes bent on changing our society, culture and government in ways that have nothing to do with racism.  This isn't about "systemic racism".

Unsupported opinion. Ok for Fark in general.

2) People who are silent about the systematic detention and torture of Uygyurs, abuse of the justice system in Russia and Cuba, and various and sundry abuses of civil rights around the world suddenly find theirs voices when it comes to what is happening in the U.S. I wonder why.

Whataboutism. A coward's way out.

3) As Robert L. Woodson said, correctly:
"There are a small group of people hell-bent on destroying this republic," he says. "They are using our birth defect of slavery to devalue our founding principles and virtues, and using race grievance as its weapon. We must resist."


And last: Appeal to authority.

Ok chum. That's three strikes so red3 flag.
 
2020-06-21 9:53:21 AM  
Yeah, ok.
 
2020-06-21 9:55:06 AM  
Has anyone actually witnessed any racism?
 
2020-06-21 9:56:27 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: ColonelCathcart: Crimes are evenly distributed? Umm. No. Go to an Asian neighborhood and let me know if you still believe that.

hahah...you REALLY think that Asian crimes would be equally reported in Asian neighborhoods?

Pull the other one.


Oh. My. God.

You're seriously arguing that the reason Asian-on-asian crime is reported at lower levels than black on black is that Asians don't report it.

Nobody could possibly be that stupid. I assume you don't live in the U.S. and are just trolling the forum.
 
2020-06-21 9:57:30 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: If Trump wins in November, I'm not black, but I'm totally applying for asylum.

With my luck, it will be only accepted by North Best Korea.


If Trump wins in November, this country IS an asylum.
An insane asylum. With the doors on the outside.
/Wonko was a prophet.
 
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