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2020-06-19 9:53:24 PM  
Crows are important parts of local biospheres and getting rid of them would be a big problem considering they are carnivores and feast upon cartoon. No sane, educated person should ever want them removed from a healthy ecosystem simply to hear songbirds better. If you want to heat more songbirds, then make your property more attractive to songbirds. Crows do not eat the same diet as most songbirds and likely won't be crowding the same spaces unless you are also making your property attractive to them as well.
 
2020-06-19 10:36:01 PM  

DevilGirlFromMars: Crows are important parts of local biospheres and getting rid of them would be a big problem considering they are carnivores and feast upon cartoon.


And they're hella good dancers.


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2020-06-19 11:16:55 PM  
Crow hunting and pest control is a thing. Sometimes to do the right thing for everyone involved some things need killing. True for rats, true for sky rats. 

There is a right way and a wrong way to do it. Popcorn on hooks is pretty stupid and inhumane. I'd use a crow call and  black trash bags with a couple crow decoys. You can use traps too but the only other thing to dissuade crows I've seen work is air cannons and you better hope you don't have neighbors.
 
2020-06-20 12:21:04 AM  

DevilGirlFromMars: feast upon cartoon.


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2020-06-20 2:17:30 AM  
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Anons in relevant geographical locations, get the french fries. Your flock's equivalent of Reggie will tell the rest of his flock what to do next.
 
2020-06-20 3:34:39 AM  
Brandon Lee's death was an accident. Stop supporting conspiracy theories, Drew.
 
2020-06-20 5:52:20 AM  

LordOfThePings: DevilGirlFromMars: feast upon cartoon.

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Jake is a doctor.

only a doctor would be this harmful and cruel to me. My soulmate is a sadist. and a doctor. but I repeat myself.
 
2020-06-20 5:53:40 AM  
do I have to beg. grovel? tell me the right words to say to have you give a shiat please. if you want me to be a masochist, I apologize. I dont enjoy suffering and torture and never will
 
2020-06-20 6:02:32 AM  
I would say killing crows is like killing dolphins. There may be reasons but it will always leave a bad taste in your mouth, unless you completely disregard their selfhood I guess? But pigs are also pretty damn intelligent and we do horrible things to pigs, so YMMV. I still eat bacon.

I think the next intelligent species that takes over the planet after us will be a crow or parrot species, if they survive us. Already social, already smart, sophisticated communication, and the beginnings of tool use.
 
2020-06-20 6:23:59 AM  

Kirablue42: LordOfThePings: DevilGirlFromMars: feast upon cartoon.

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Jake is a doctor.

only a doctor would be this harmful and cruel to me. My soulmate is a sadist. and a doctor. but I repeat myself.


Kirablue42: do I have to beg. grovel? tell me the right words to say to have you give a shiat please. if you want me to be a masochist, I apologize. I dont enjoy suffering and torture and never will


Do you smell burnt toast?
 
2020-06-20 6:49:28 AM  

DevilGirlFromMars: Crows are important parts of local biospheres and getting rid of them would be a big problem considering they are carnivores and feast upon cartoon. No sane, educated person should ever want them removed from a healthy ecosystem simply to hear songbirds better. If you want to heat more songbirds, then make your property more attractive to songbirds. Crows do not eat the same diet as most songbirds and likely won't be crowding the same spaces unless you are also making your property attractive to them as well.


Is there not a risk of them spreading CORVID-19?
 
2020-06-20 6:50:26 AM  

adamatari: I would say killing crows is like killing dolphins. There may be reasons but it will always leave a bad taste in your mouth, unless you completely disregard their selfhood I guess? But pigs are also pretty damn intelligent and we do horrible things to pigs, so YMMV. I still eat bacon.

I think the next intelligent species that takes over the planet after us will be a crow or parrot species, if they survive us. Already social, already smart, sophisticated communication, and the beginnings of tool use.


Birds had 65 million years to "take over" since they are, effectively, dinosaurs that survived the great extinction. I don't think they're interested in domination.
 
2020-06-20 6:51:11 AM  
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2020-06-20 7:01:12 AM  
Create some autonomous chase drones to harass them if they enter a geofenced area.
 
2020-06-20 7:07:52 AM  

Kat09tails: Crow hunting and pest control is a thing.


Indeed, this raptor study group in my general area counts ravens as honorary raptors, and notes that gamekeepers and farmers have wiped the species out in much of the country.
 
2020-06-20 7:15:33 AM  
What is the proper name for a dead murder of crows?
 
2020-06-20 7:19:31 AM  

DON.MAC: What is the proper name for a dead murder of crows?


Massacre?
 
2020-06-20 7:33:12 AM  

listernine: Kirablue42: LordOfThePings: DevilGirlFromMars: feast upon cartoon.

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Jake is a doctor.

only a doctor would be this harmful and cruel to me. My soulmate is a sadist. and a doctor. but I repeat myself.

Kirablue42: do I have to beg. grovel? tell me the right words to say to have you give a shiat please. if you want me to be a masochist, I apologize. I dont enjoy suffering and torture and never will

Do you smell burnt toast?


You're better off not going this route.

Really Kira, you're good people, get help.
 
2020-06-20 7:58:01 AM  
Also, I need to make a crow friend this summer.
That'd be neat.
I'll feed it treats, it'll bring back shiney things to show it's appreciation.

Wait, maybe that's not a great idea.
I feel like I'd just be setting it up to get snagged by one of the falcons or hawks that live in the yard here.
 
2020-06-20 8:02:41 AM  
Subby missed a great opportunity for composing confusing tongue twisters with both 'murder'  and 'cause' in it, like

"Can you question a cause of caws after the murder of a murder?"
 
2020-06-20 8:23:04 AM  
Short of Voles, which if left to spread unchecked would eat everything, we don't interfere with wildlife.

Yes they don't have property rights, but they do have a right to live.

Anyways, I've never been bothered by the murder that lives around our neighborhood. Squirrels on the other hand, total dicks.
 
2020-06-20 8:26:54 AM  

Kirablue42: do I have to beg. grovel? tell me the right words to say to have you give a shiat please. if you want me to be a masochist, I apologize. I dont enjoy suffering and torture and never will


MIssy, this sounds like a cry for help - please direct it to people who can help.

And a piece of advice - other people can never give you inner peace and satisfaction, but they can sure as hell take it away.  So it's better to live alone for while and gradually seek out your better half than to prolong the misery of a bad relationship or would-be relationship.
 
2020-06-20 8:28:09 AM  
I have my grandfather's shotgun.  It was purchased specifically for shooting at crows.

Doing some research on it, it's apparently an antique from the late 1800 that's not designed for modern ammunition and it's amazing it didn't turn into a daisy. I wouldn't shoot it on a dare

/He passed in 1980
 
2020-06-20 8:37:47 AM  

iron de havilland: DevilGirlFromMars: Crows are important parts of local biospheres and getting rid of them would be a big problem considering they are carnivores and feast upon cartoon. No sane, educated person should ever want them removed from a healthy ecosystem simply to hear songbirds better. If you want to heat more songbirds, then make your property more attractive to songbirds. Crows do not eat the same diet as most songbirds and likely won't be crowding the same spaces unless you are also making your property attractive to them as well.

Is there not a risk of them spreading CORVID-19?


I appreciated that pun.
 
2020-06-20 8:57:04 AM  

Ecliptic: adamatari: I would say killing crows is like killing dolphins. There may be reasons but it will always leave a bad taste in your mouth, unless you completely disregard their selfhood I guess? But pigs are also pretty damn intelligent and we do horrible things to pigs, so YMMV. I still eat bacon.

I think the next intelligent species that takes over the planet after us will be a crow or parrot species, if they survive us. Already social, already smart, sophisticated communication, and the beginnings of tool use.

Birds had 65 million years to "take over" since they are, effectively, dinosaurs that survived the great extinction. I don't think they're interested in domination.


Evolution just works to maximixe survivability in a given environment. If there's no need to change because there's plenty of food, water, and breeding space, it's unlikely a species will evolve. And even if there is evolutionary pressure to change, "intelligence" isn't necessarily the best path.
 
2020-06-20 9:13:28 AM  
Crows are highly intelligent and have an advanced social structure.  Killing them is worse, from a moral standpoint, than killing a human.  Killing a crow is a bit like killing a bottlenose dolphin.

A sin.
 
2020-06-20 9:15:21 AM  

envirovore: Also, I need to make a crow friend this summer.
That'd be neat.
I'll feed it treats, it'll bring back shiney things to show it's appreciation.

Wait, maybe that's not a great idea.
I feel like I'd just be setting it up to get snagged by one of the falcons or hawks that live in the yard here.


Hawks and falcons do not fare well around a murder of crows.  Owls are driven off too.  Crows won't tolerate higher predators in their territory.
 
2020-06-20 9:16:39 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: I have my grandfather's shotgun.  It was purchased specifically for shooting at crows.

Doing some research on it, it's apparently an antique from the late 1800 that's not designed for modern ammunition and it's amazing it didn't turn into a daisy. I wouldn't shoot it on a dare

/He passed in 1980


Probably stronger than you think - they made beefy shotguns back then.  Kinda had to, without access to modern alloys and tech.  Still, no I'd not want to fire it without a professional evaluation either.
 
2020-06-20 9:22:11 AM  

adamatari: I think the next intelligent species that takes over the planet after us will be a crow or parrot species, if they survive us. Already social, already smart, sophisticated communication, and the beginnings of tool use.


Crows have a language you can understand the basic shape of if you listen to them enough, and see what they're up to.  If you do manage to get friendly enough to feed them, they will give you a name.  Whenever you go out for a walk, whenever a crow spots you, they will say your name.  As you go along and another one sees you, they will say the same name, to keep track of where you are.  They're altogether quite remarkable.
 
2020-06-20 9:22:25 AM  

NathanAllen: Short of Voles, which if left to spread unchecked would eat everything, we don't interfere with wildlife.

Yes they don't have property rights, but they do have a right to live.

Anyways, I've never been bothered by the murder that lives around our neighborhood. Squirrels on the other hand, total dicks.


How do you get rid of those pieces of rodent crap? I got a big problem with them, the dog catches them fairly often but he can't keep up.

Oh yeah. Crows are smart as hell, you shoot one and the others clear out. It's that simple. People that hunt crows get one chance at shooting and they won't come back to what ever recording your playing
 
2020-06-20 9:28:35 AM  
DNRTFA, but does "murdering" crows mean gathering a bunch of crows all together in a group?
 
2020-06-20 9:41:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: envirovore: Also, I need to make a crow friend this summer.
That'd be neat.
I'll feed it treats, it'll bring back shiney things to show it's appreciation.

Wait, maybe that's not a great idea.
I feel like I'd just be setting it up to get snagged by one of the falcons or hawks that live in the yard here.

Hawks and falcons do not fare well around a murder of crows.  Owls are driven off too.  Crows won't tolerate higher predators in their territory.


Yeah, we see them trying to drive the hawks out fairly regularly.
Mixed results, they still stick around all the time.
 
2020-06-20 9:55:20 AM  

envirovore: Mixed results, they still stick around all the time.


That depends entirely on your point on view.  You're stuck on the ground.
 
2020-06-20 10:06:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: envirovore: Mixed results, they still stick around all the time.

That depends entirely on your point on view.  You're stuck on the ground.


True.
See at least 6 of them circling overhead at least twice a day though, mornings then they make their way back around in the evening.

Counted 14 at once last week.

/likes our raptor buddies.
 
2020-06-20 10:11:28 AM  

DevilGirlFromMars: Crows are important parts of local biospheres and getting rid of them would be a big problem considering they are carnivores and feast upon cartoon. No sane, educated person should ever want them removed from a healthy ecosystem simply to hear songbirds better. If you want to heat more songbirds, then make your property more attractive to songbirds. Crows do not eat the same diet as most songbirds and likely won't be crowding the same spaces unless you are also making your property attractive to them as well.


And - even though they will raid song bird nests - they also warn song birds about other predators, like hawks.
 
2020-06-20 10:26:50 AM  
Yes - at 5:30 in the morning when they sit on the power line outside my window & start that shiat up, which gets the squirrels going. And suddenly, parrots!
you haven't lived till you've tried to clean fired parrot poop off your car
 
2020-06-20 10:31:54 AM  
Crows, and corvids in general, are smart, and have great problem-solving skills.  Sometimes, they get a little pesky.  People that get enraged about them are the same kind that will stand outside your house and yell, "So you think you're better'n me?  Is that it?  You're better.  Than ME?" for a half an hour until somebody calls the cops.  You may as well just do the same at the crows.
 
2020-06-20 10:34:54 AM  
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2020-06-20 10:46:48 AM  
Crows are smart. They've left us alone so far because we leave them alone. Do not tempt fate.
 
2020-06-20 11:27:12 AM  
I didn't hate birds until the power was out for a week one time. Holy shiat, those things start early and they never shut up.

Oddly enough, they never have bothered me when doing outdoorsy stuff and camping. Maybe it is just me accepting it and not really noticing it, as opposed to being inside and getting woken up well before I want to by some farking birds who have nothing better to do than to make sharp noises.
 
2020-06-20 12:48:50 PM  
Crows are among or normal visitors to our bird feeders.   They mostly go for the peanuts in shells we leave out for our other corvid friends, blue jays.   Crows don't seem to bother the rest of our smaller birds, maybe they are all just used to them.
 
2020-06-20 12:49:53 PM  
IIRC, crows are migratory fowl but not game birds and thus are protected by federal law.
 
2020-06-20 2:55:58 PM  
After seeing so many videos of crows exhibiting intelligence and personality I find the idea of killing one to be totally repugnant. They're sentient beings as far as I'm concerned.

/reworked my wording to avoid saying murderer
 
2020-06-20 3:23:18 PM  

iron de havilland: Kat09tails: Crow hunting and pest control is a thing.

Indeed, this raptor study group in my general area counts ravens as honorary raptors, and notes that gamekeepers and farmers have wiped the species out in much of the country.


ravens are a protected species. So yeah, they might as well be raptors.
 
2020-06-20 4:19:49 PM  
Propane cannon. Scares off the crows and pisses off the neighbors. Win/win.

If you're not interested in pissing off the neighbors there's always the trusty air rifle.
 
2020-06-20 4:39:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Crows have a language you can understand the basic shape of if you listen to them enough, and see what they're up to.  If you do manage to get friendly enough to feed them, they will give you a name.  Whenever you go out for a walk, whenever a crow spots you, they will say your name.  As you go along and another one sees you, they will say the same name, to keep track of where you are.  They're altogether quite remarkable.


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2020-06-20 7:52:37 PM  
At my mom's house, just walking outside with any kind of real looking gun would make them all disappear for the day. Once they got cocky, I'd just pump up the Benjamin with no pellet, and they would bail again. Worst came to worst you could just put a pellet into the tree trunk, and they would take the hint. Never had to actually shoot one.
 
2020-06-21 12:27:49 AM  
Town leaders decided it would be good idea to develop a policy guiding town employees, contractors and volunteers about how Shelburne wants to coexist with animals, Rendall said.

In the beaver situation, the town decided it would use a device, called a Beaver Deceiver, rather than kill them. The Beaver Deceiver fools the semiaquatic rodents into thinking the water has been stopped, while it actually is flowing through a hidden pipe.

Shelburne got the devices and the expertise of Skip Lisle in making the decision to use this strategy.
Unfortunately, the beavers were trapped before the selectboard could act, said Michael Ashooh, a member of the board.



It could be carried by an African swallow.
 
2020-06-21 2:05:35 PM  
I actually shot one years back and was mobbed by hundreds of them. I prefer to leave them alone.
 
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